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Windows Vista: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now?
- 1/16/09 4:11 PM
XP Pro 64 bit on going problems with software
by Joe College - 1/21/09 12:20 PM In reply to: XP is the last version of Windows by bblackmoorafter building myself a 64 bit PC then installing XP Pro 64 bit, I had nothing but problems. It would hang up or die, bring up my system doing a cold boot. I would then have to do a reboot. I still had various problems with my XP Pro 64 bit software. What I finally had to do, after replacing everything in my PC, eg motherboard, hard drive, memory stick, power supply, processor, nothing changed, I upgrated to Vista Business 64 bit. Wow!! Thats resolved those problems that I was having, it corrected everything. I understood that MSN wasn't supporting the XP PRo 64 bit software.
XP PRO 64
by muis25 - 1/21/09 1:13 PM In reply to: XP Pro 64 bit on going problems with software by Joe CollegeI'LL WORKING WITH XP PRO 64 ITS WORKING SOM PROGRAMS WI'LL NOT BUT THE PROGRAM AND MY COMP ASUS 64 DUOCORE WORKS
XP 64
by Nandro2 - 1/21/09 5:09 PM In reply to: XP Pro 64 bit on going problems with software by Joe CollegeI think asside from a few scientific apps MS really didnt give any love to XP 64. It pretty much was DOA.
New computer
by lfaibvre - 1/17/09 11:19 AM In reply to: .... and how long will you wait? by Old Dog New TricksWe just purchased a new computer XP pro & vista combined. We use XP pro because we have the software with vista we would have to buy all new software. Thank you and good health.
LaMont Faibvre
Forestpark, IL 60130
Agree with much Old Dog, but not on the "cheap 32 bit PC".
by jedeco - 1/18/09 8:01 PM In reply to: .... and how long will you wait? by Old Dog New TricksThe world is quickly moving to 64 bit. All Linux variants have a 64 bit version. Apple has found a way to move OS X to 64 bit but still support 32 bit drivers. (hint: their kernel is still 32 bit so it's not a true 64 bit platform).
So the world is finally poised for that move, and it is moving, from 32bit to 64 bit. <br><br>
So I would strongly recommend Jerome get a 64 bit machine for certain. I think even "cheap" machines have a core 2 duo or the like that are 64 bit processors, but he may still find some Core duo processors that are NOT 64 bit, so Jerome should make sure. I would go with a Quad core at this stage in time. But at the minimum a fast core 2 duo. At least 2.5GHz. <br><br>
I also must say i don't agree with just getting a cheap PC. His old one is several years old, he is going to make an investment for hopefully the next several years. He shouldn't just grab the cheapest thing Walmart has IMHO. <br><br>
There are some very nice HP and Dell models out there (I only buy laptops so i tend to speak in terms of laptop specs. I got an HP core 2 duo, 2.5GHz, miminmu RAM, then i went out and filled it with 4GB of very high end fast RAM for 60.00 bucks. RAM is cheap. And it has a GeForce GPU with 512MB of RAM (minimum for Vista IMHO) and dual 7200 rpm drives. I have found after using other Vista machines the 7200 rpm drives, with the 64 bit and fast processor, gives more speed than the 5400rpm drives still found in many PCs. Sometimes a SATA drive at either speed is bottlenecked at another point downriver on the bus, but my machine is showing performance gain over several HPs that were purchased at my sites that were 5400rpm drives, the rest of the setup the same for the most part. <br><br>
So my machine with Vista Ulmate x64 is a great pair and runs very quick. No hesitation when firing off Office apps, and i have an MSDN subscription so i have VS2005, VS2008, every Office 2007 app available, SQL Server 2005 Dev. Edition and ton of other software. I can start firing this apps off (they are all on my quick launch) one after the other and they all start very fast.
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DO NOT confuse smoothness for "slugishness". Mine open almost instantly but some other machines are as fast as XP or other OSes, it's just that the Aero interface and WDDM is so smooth it's sort of like a tall muscular outfielder, he appears to not be running fast, but he covers more ground than the shorter guys and it's all in that his movements are smoother and deceptive but he's faster. <br><br>
Anyway, IMHO, Jerome should get the best machine he can afford, 64 bit processor(s)....again quad core would be worth looking into now...and don't pay the OEM prices for RAM. Take whatever comes with the machine, then buy at least 4GB for that x64 Vista OS from a 3rd party and you'll find great 800MHz RAM, 4GB worth, is inexpensive. Far cheaper than buying it through the OEM. Some of them will charge like 150.00 or even 200.00 if you elect to go from the default 2GB to 4GB. They are making way too much money on that deal. Even if the 2GB comes as 4 512 modules, just take it and buy what you need seperately and throw away what came with it and you'll still be way ahead. (by throw away I didn't mean that literally. Find someone that could use it. <br><br>
This machine is going to be with you for 8 years, so make sure you love it and DO NOT be AFRAID to go X64. At this time, buying 32 bit OS is just buying the past. If you love Vista for example and are no hurry to get win7, or it has problems for a few years, you want to have a 64bit OS. They are much more stable and faster than their 32bit counterparts. Even your 32 bit Software that will run on WOW, will be faster because the kernel operations can still run at 64 bit, so you'll see performance gain evern there. With 64 bit apps, you'll definately get more speed.
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What a
by hirokito - 1/19/09 1:42 PM In reply to: .... and how long will you wait? by Old Dog New Tricksperfect answer!great help to everyone. thanks!
Windows 7
by Hell Rider 62 - 1/31/09 8:59 PM In reply to: .... and how long will you wait? by Old Dog New TricksDon't Even both waiting till July 2010 buy it when as soon as it comes out running the beta right now and must say it could be released right now and receive service pack 1 in 2011.
To Vista, or not to Vista, that is the question
by bill3333 - 1/10/09 2:54 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Whether it is nobler to stick with XP, or be a nitwit, and pay big bucks for vista, which is bloated with DRM, that stops you using your computer, has endless problems, that all the experts have expounded on at great length, and is going to be dumped within 2 years, is a no brain decision. Romeo and Juliet, Act 4, Scene 5, Shakespeare.
Just go to a good computer tech, and ask him to build you a new computer with XP on it. Better still, get a S/H gaming computer, or an upgrade, as long as they have got PCI Express slots, you will get some thing pretty modern.
If you you want something really cheap, but good, get a high quality AGP slot computer, that's what I am using now, and its still better than anything I could buy from a shop for less than $ 1700 NZ.
Get a good S/H 19 in CRT monitor for $ 10, and that save you more $, and you get a better picture.
Just do your homework, and you will get a brilliant computer for virtually nothing. All you really need is a new box.
Regards Bill3333
WAIT FOR 7 OR UPGRADE TO VISTA
by GEO2003 - 1/10/09 3:18 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
There is already good reviews about Windows 7 here at Cnet and pcmag. The issue is that there will be millions of applications that have to be tested and installed by different users in order to see how well 7 handles those applications.
Although MS has stated that all Vista programs will work with 7, there still a period of testing after the initial public realease of the full OS.
So going by the release table of 7, it will be Jan. 2010, that is a year away and an additional 4 months of testing by every user.
Vista came out in Jan and I upgraded in March.
I installed it on an 3 yeard old Dell XPS GEN 2 with 2GB OR RAM AND 256MB of dedicated VIDEO RAM, and SINGLE CORE CPU 2GZ.
Vista runs great and has never giving me a problem.
Since it was a clean install I have control of everything that get's install on my computer.
I am very happy and like using Vista very much. So my suggestions for you are:
1- Yes move up to Vista, but pay th $20.00 to the manufacturer so that they take all the crap they install so that your system is clean.
That is if you don't how to do it yourself, but if you do, that is the second thing you should do after getting your new computer.
The fist would be to create your RESTORE DVD'S with the application included by the manufacturer.
Vista is not that difficult to use, and the Beta of 7 just simplyfies things better, so if you move to 7 in two years or so, it won't be a big learning curve.
Plus you would already have the necessary hardware to run it.
Remember my specs above, can you imagine running Vista on a new harware with doulble cpu cores and better graphic cards as sold today, I am sure it would be a great experience.
Vista SP1 solved most issues users were having due to incompatabilities with some applications.
2- I would suggest you go with 64 bit Vista and probably Ultimate or Bussiness since that is were we headed, 64 bit computing.
A - Bussiness gives you all priviliges that are not found in Home Premium such Group Policies and other settings.
And you can download the applications such as Windows Photo Gallery and others that Home Premium or Ultimate includes so no loss here.
B- Ultimate gives you everthing in the box, easier to use. I lament not having purchase Ultimate instead of Home Premium because of some settings that as a profeciounal would like to have, I get around those issues using other applications but would prefer to have them available in the OS.
Plus you are used to 2000 Pro.
3- Be aware that if you choose 32 bit or 64 bit you most likely will loose some applications that are not supported, so make sure that everything that is absolutely necessary to you is supported with new drivers and applications.
I hope you switch because the experience of having all new and good functionality and I most say the Eye Candy makes it worthwhile.
Good Luck,
Geo
Vista or 7 - Re Geo,s Post
by bill3333 - 1/10/09 3:40 PM In reply to: WAIT FOR 7 OR UPGRADE TO VISTA by GEO2003Thanks for the excellent post Geo, very informative, and I am not being sarcastic.
To simplify the decision though, if you want to spend the bucks go with Geo, the eye candy, and the problems with new operating systems. If you don't, go with Bill3333, you have all the advantages of a proven established XP, and its going to be around for years.
Regards Bill3333.
Vista 64 bit will not support Palm OS USB hotsync
by Denisellen - 1/16/09 8:40 PM In reply to: WAIT FOR 7 OR UPGRADE TO VISTA by GEO2003For those who have such devices and who prefer to use the USB cable for syncing vs. bluetooth-- there are no drivers for it. 32 bit works ok. That's an important 'bit' of information if it applies to you.
should i wait
by david bull - 1/10/09 3:24 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
in ref to your query my advice would be to stick to xp, vista is still so far behind and full of holes that you will spend more time trying to figure out what went wrong, i have three computers under my control and have ripped out vista from each one, vista aaagh. reards from david
vista or windows 7
by darkr - 1/10/09 3:27 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
i'd wait for windows 7 windows 7 so far doesn't use as much memory and is more backward compatible with legacy drivers (windows xp )
vista has more security (so they say) but right now there is alot of issues with vista including eating too much memory
Windows 7
by spiritwalkertoo - 1/10/09 3:52 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
As you are well aware, every time we think we are up to date with the newest system, someone comes out with a better one. Now that windows 7 is on the table for up dating I think we need to be sure it works as well as they say. From previous experience they always seem to have to work out a few bugs. Vista has already worked those bugs out. No one knows how long it will take to work any bugs out of windows 7 so I guess it really depends on how long you want to wait to up date your system. Go into buying a new systems with your eyes wide open. Research, research, research.
What are your needs?
by Dbrudvig - 1/10/09 4:32 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
You should think about what you need (or want). If you are wanting to buy a new computer now then go for it. You can always upgrade after Windows 7 comes out if you want to. If you are able to hold off until Windows 7 comes out that would be better, but I would recommend not getting it as soon as they come out. It would be best to wait even a few weeks, and find real world reviews of Windows 7 to see what others think of it. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
Whatever you decide to do, just remember that with computers whatever you buy today will be replaced with something bigger (or smaller), better and faster tomorrow.
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