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Windows Vista: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 1/16/09 4:11 PM
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Post 76 of 408

Knee Deep In The Mudd

by cnetmessageman - 1/18/09 11:01 AM In reply to: Vista v. Windows 7 by prefernone

Member prefernone, I am sorry to hear about your frustrating experience but perhaps I can shed some light and provide some useful info that may help with your current situation as well as possible future buying decisions.


The FIRST issue is that your OS is 64-bit rather than 32-bit. It's the wave of the future but in the meantime (even though Microsoft is pushing this issue) 64-bit is not as well supported especially as regards Software applications.

In many cases the older, established 32-bit version is ported to a 64-bit version but it is not a clean re-write so some "bugginess" may exist. Add to this the strong likelihood that the application was also ported from XP to Vista (again not a fresh re-write) and consequently another layer of "bugginess" is added. One manifestation of this is the execution of certain processes within the application that require elevation to administration privileges. Some ported XP apps are not revised to issue the UAC prompt so Vista doesn't elevate the program's privileges. Vista by default run in a non-admin mode (for increased security) even if your ID has admin privileges. The privilege status/level is only elevated when required and properly accessed.

This leads into the SECOND issue - Admin privileges. Vista has much tighter controls (hence greater security) but this can become frustrating very quickly especially when you are accustomed to much greater freedom in previous versions of Windows. The key here is to get the appropriate version of the OS which in your case would be Vista Business (in functionality it's essentially the equivalent of Win XP Pro). The Home versions have limited admin capabilities and flexibility (forget Home Basic). When working with certain system files there is even a further step that is required called "Taking Ownership". A Vista Business admin can do this but it's rarely, if ever, required even by power users.

The THIRD issue is driver updates. This is perhaps the greatest bane of Vista. Though the situation is getting better, EOMs have been slow in producing stable and efficient drivers for their hardware devices. Again, though Microsoft have been pushing, real traction of this front, particularly with 64-bit versions, has just started since the release of SP1. Consequently, the rule of thumb is to frequently check for updated versions of your system and peripheral drivers - the performance difference can be huge! There is a very good free online scanner available from PC Pitstop called Driver Alert that can assist with this (but I haven't tested it for 64-bit drivers).

The FOURTH issue may be the quality of your system despite the impressive hardware specifications. My own experience as well as some of the practices that I have read about over the years, have caused me to place Gateway near the bottom of my list. In truth, I have not really scrutinize the company in the past few years beyond the fact that it was acquired by Acer. Despite losing some of its luster, Dell is still the company to beat on quality affordable Desktops (laptops are another matter) especially if you spend a little time searching for an ecoupon - saves hundreds.

The FIFTH issue is merely a personal observation since I have had very limited hands on with these machines. I have not been very impressed with the early Intel Quads at all. I expected blow-you-away performance but it was mediocre even lethargic. I have to believe this is a tuning issue but I have no idea if or when a 'fix' will be forthcoming.

In conclusion, I suggest very strongly that, where possible, you ensure that all your applications and hardware drivers are 64-bit compliant and certified by Microsoft. Vista Certification by Microsoft requires 64-bit compliance. In addition, frequently check that you have the latest drivers install for all your hardware devices.

Hope this helps.

Post 77 of 408

Knee Deep in Mud

by prefernone - 1/18/09 2:53 PM In reply to: Knee Deep In The Mudd by cnetmessageman

Thank you to cnetmessageman.

Not much I can do about hardware limitations related to Gateway or Intel.

I can move up from Vista Home Premium although a previous move from XP home to Pro created many problems. I can also follow the new to me links you provided & check on any newer drivers than I currently have loaded. I will do both.

I started with MS-DOS, as modified for my TI Pro, before the numbered versions began and still have the original software, boxes & documentation stashed for most versions of DOS & the equipment in between. Changed very quickly to a pure MS-Dos machine because none of the good stuff was compatible with the TI version of the software and no new drivers for many of the desireable goodies. I also go back to 300 baud modems & have those also. First thing I do when installing anything new is check for updates & drivers. I also specifically routinely search for updates, even when the auto programs tell me there are none & occasionally find them. I do know you have offered sage advice & I appreciate that. My personal museum has many items which became obselete if connected to newer hardware simply because the drivers were never available. That's why I still have much of it so that I can run particular software to access something which will not convert satisfactorily to newer programs. MS-Dos to Windows 95 hit me particularly hard. I know your advice on drivers is spot on.

Thank you

Post 78 of 408

Thred Carefully

by cnetmessageman - 1/18/09 3:43 PM In reply to: Knee Deep in Mud by prefernone

Glad I could be of service. Definitely move up to Vista Business (Vista Ultimate, IMHO, is a wasted additional expense). Preferably, though, it should be a clean install or pre-loaded. Going the upgrade route is usually problematic.

Also keep in mind that your other major concern is 64-bit vs 32-bit compatibility. To recognize system memory (RAM) above 4GB (actually a bit less) you need to be using a 64-bit OS or special Server hardware/software. But it is your software application needs that should drive your decision. So if you are going to stick with a 64-bit OS make sure that your desired applications are 64-bit compliant not just so-called compatible. Since the latter implies that it will run but may not necessarily conform to the required standard, somewhere along the way you could get an unexpected GOTCHA!!!

Post 79 of 408

Upgrading to Vista

by cnetmessageman - 1/20/09 11:22 AM In reply to: Vista v. Windows 7 by prefernone

Prefernone, I came across some additional in-depth info on the differences between the various versions of Vista and the various upgrade paths possible. Again, this may be of further help to you.

(3) There are several versions of Vista to choose from. While I personally would select the Business version with the possible upgrade/downgrade options, Vista Home Premium or Vista Ultimate (which combines all the exclusive options found in the others) may be more suitable for some folks if they decide to stay firmly in the Vista camp. There is a built-in upgrading utility in the non-Ultimate versions but past experience does not bode well for traveling that route rather than doing a clean install. See the following link for a detailed comparison of features between the different versions.

http://cybernetnews.com/windows-vista-feature-comparison-home-basic-home-premium-business-enterprise-ultimate/


Memory Restraints: 32-bit all versions = 4GB; 64-Bit: Basic = 8GB, Premium = 16GB, Business = 128GB+, Ultimate = 128GB+

Vista installation options (re: upgrade versions)

You can upgrade from your current edition of Microsoft Windows XP or Windows 2000 to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista by purchasing and installing an upgrade copy of Windows Vista. Depending on which edition of Windows you are running and the edition of Windows Vista you would like to install, you have two options for the installation process:

In-place upgrade
You can upgrade in-place, which means you can install Windows Vista and retain your applications, files, and settings as they were in your previous edition of Windows.

Clean install
Upgrading to Windows Vista with a clean install means that you should use Windows Easy Transfer to automatically copy all your files and settings to an extra hard drive or other storage device, and then install Windows Vista. After the installation is complete, Windows Easy Transfer will reload your files and settings on your upgraded PC. You will then need to reinstall your applications.

The table below outlines the upgrade options mapped to the different Windows Vista editions.


.......................................................................WINDOWS VISTA EDITIONS
....................................................Home Basic..Home Premium....Business.....Ultimate
Windows XP Professional....................x.......................x.......................xx...............xx
Windows XP Home.............................xx.....................xx......................xx...............xx
Windows XP Media Center..................x......................xx.......................x................xx
Windows XP Tablet PC........................x.......................x.......................xx...............xx
Windows XP Professional x64.............x.......................x.........................x................x
Windows 2000......................................x.......................x........................x.................x

x Requires clean install.
xx In-place installation option available.

Post 80 of 408

Wait if you can for windows 7

by almandy - 1/9/09 8:55 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I went from XP to Vista 64. Most of my software is incompatible and the security is a constant nusiance. Bill Gates acknowledged that their have been "problems" with Vista. Microsoft should give everyone with Vista a free upgrade to Windows 7. I'd wait.

Post 81 of 408

Vista is fine on current hardware

by AlbertW - 1/9/09 8:58 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

If your computer is doing everything you want now, then there's no need to upgrade now. If it is dying, then go ahead and get a new computer with Vista. Vista, as it is now, works well on current hardware. With a 7 year old computer, I suspect it would be best for you to go ahead and get a new one now, with Vista.

Post 82 of 408

Vista

by GERRY RAINS - 1/9/09 9:06 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Most people, including me, will tell you that Vista is horrible. Even Microsoft has been apologizing for it's many flaws. It's a great resource hog, but top desktops and laptops can run it. Service Pack 1 helped a lot. It's "Are you sure...." can drive a saint mad but you can turn it completely off. Windows 7 will have off, on, and two intermediate settings. On will drive you nuts, off will let you endanger the system. Great, huh?

It's got a very good one-way firewall (in but not out) and if you're a photo fanatic it's features relative to that will please you. I expect that you're not or you wouldn't be using 2000 Pro.

Microsoft has never delivered an OS on time in its existence. Don't hold your breath. Mist IT Pros whom I know are guessing spring of 2010.

It's survivable but it still has trouble with drivers.

Still, since getting a computer that's worth anything with XP Pro is next to impossible unless it's a Toshiba laptop. I bought one of those four months ago and love it. Desktops with XP Pro are in the $300 - $400 range and have slow microprocessors and little RAM.

Vista is as big a dbacle as 98 ME.

Those are the facts - I'll let you decide.

Good luck!

Post 83 of 408

Windows 7

by Rockij - 1/9/09 9:07 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I guess its a pretty simple decision after all the problems they were having with Vista. The final attempt to push Vista was to eliminate xp pro and hopefully force the change. If i had to make the decision today, i would keep XP pro and upgraded to windows 7, hoping all the mistakes have been corrected and its an improvement over vista. 2 hard drives would put your mind at ease.

Post 84 of 408

Vista is FINE. How's your PC?

by PC-PILOT - 1/16/09 8:39 PM In reply to: Windows 7 by Rockij

Look ---

Vista came out of the box with a bad rap. And it was all MICROSOFT'S fault. Not for the OS... but how they published the minimum system requirements.

They were TOO LOW. And people took those requirements, as published, ordered machines with Vista and they had a nightmare on thier hands.

Vista hasn't been able to recover from that. My desktop and laptop nothe have 2GB of memory and VISTA. They also have no problems. I can't understand, at this date, why people haven't learned that the system needs to support the OS.

You remember Windows 3.1? If so, then you have successfully evolved (assuming that you don't still run 3.1). There is nothing wrong with Vista. The only downfall is your hardware cost is a little higher. If you haven'tupgraded torun Vista successfully, then you are already on the obsolete curve..

Windows 7 is said to be a lot less 'harware hungry'. OK.. SO WHAT?

You can by 2GB of DDR2 ram now for about 20 bucks.

Buy or build a computer that you can grow into. If you're not on the Vista wagon yet, get on it. Buy a machine that gets you past WIN2K, into VISTA and you will have the option to upgrade to Windows 7 later - - if you choose.

Windows 7 is an apologetic OS that costs YOU money. It will be marketed properly with realistic system requirements published.

Vista was a harware hungry 'service pack' to XP. Nothing more.

Windows 7 will be nothing to run to.

Everyone: Just evolve. There is no sense in being the 1st one on the block with a Microsoft product. If anything, you DON'T want to be one.

The answer: Get your Vista machine ... 2GB rams. 256 video.

... and enjoy.

Post 85 of 408

Vista or 7 ?????

by ronatman - 1/9/09 9:15 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I say none of the above.

find a tech who will install for you XP, the only way to fly.

Post 86 of 408

I don't know..

by Ed-duh-win - 1/9/09 10:12 PM In reply to: Vista or 7 ????? by ronatman

I don't know, but I don't think you should recommend her an aging 8-year old OS that is full of security holes waiting to be discovered.

Yes, it might be fast, but remember, she's an average user. Security and integration will be the key, rather than all-out OS speed.

Post 87 of 408

Windows 7 or Vista

by droac - 1/9/09 9:15 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Tuff choice but when buying a new computer consider first the computer good, bad or junk. Make sure it has what you want first without the Operating system. Personally I would go back to XP Pro it still works wonderful for my wife. I know have Vista and I Love it. Never had one moment of problems. I'm not an expert but close so I know a few tricks, but even if this was your first computer Vista is good if you don't download a bunch of crapware. Know what programs you will install that won't be on your new computer do some internet searchs and find out if compatable with Vista, or WIndows 7, and the new computer. No less than 4 gigs of ram or memory no less than 300 gig harddrive, etc. Things to think about will Windows 7 be the dream Microsoft wants it to be or another mess like some people say about Vista. I use Vista Home Premium and Love it. I recomend both XP Pro or Vista. Good luck on your new computer.

Post 88 of 408

Wait

by ssgcharro - 1/9/09 9:19 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Wait...Vista will soon be obsolete.

Post 89 of 408

Should I wait for Windows 7

by artiste47 - 1/9/09 9:23 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

My suggestion is to wait for the later part of the year and Microsoft has confirmed that it will give a free coupon upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.

Post 90 of 408

Windows 7

by Moose566 - 1/9/09 9:27 PM In reply to: Should I wait for Windows 7 or move on to Vista now? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I use Vista now and like it, but Windows 7 reportedly adresses many complaints users have with Vista and it doesn't hog your resources. I think that's the way to go...of course you can get a Vista system now and then upgrade it when Win 7 is released.

That's my .02 cents.

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