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Mac OS X: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows

by sclaflin - 8/16/08 5:45 PM
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You are both being misleading.

by AkulaTheDeathScythe - 12/19/08 8:46 PM In reply to: windows viruses by nickrandocps

I have in front of me right now 5 computers that I use every day, 4 of them are Windows based, and the oldest one will be 7 years old soon. In those 7 years I have had exactly one actual virus; fortunately it just messed with cpu load and did no actual damage that wasn't fixed by deleting the virus and repairing infected files. What I'm trying to say is that there is some truth to what both or you are saying, bighedstev and nickrandocps. However there is also a lot of the usual Mac fanboy, Win fanboy crap that I get tired of seeing.

I am not an idiot, yet I still got that one virus, I know how I got it and where I got it. Simple fact; it couldn't have been avoided. Other than real viruses and trojans, which are rare exceedingly these days with people being smarter with their computers, the main thing that all windows computers will have on them are spyware and adware and all that stuff. You get them in all sorts of ways, a lot of them are just cookies you get from visiting certain sites and most of them are completely harmless. Some are real threats for security of personal information but these are far less prevalent and you won't find them in the mainstream waters of the net mostly.

So yes there are viruses and trojans on Windows, but by no means would you find tons of them on your computer every week, that's ludicrous and complete BS. nickrandocps if by "a LOT of trojans and other viruses" you mean spyware and adware, then yes it’s possible that you have these problems but most of them are probably harmless. On the computer I'm on right now that I've had for a year and a half now I did my first malware (spyware and adware) scan ever and came up with 127 results when the scan finished. Of the 127 exactly 1 posed me any real threat, which was the reason I had run the scan as my firewall had picked it right after it got in, the rest were all for the most part harmless, tracking cookies for various websites and online flash games, so on and so forth.

Windows has its security problems, even if you're smart you can't always prevent everything, but by no means is there some sort of torrent of evil computer killing viruses bombarding you all the time. So give it a rest I'm tired of hearing this same nonsense arguing from both sides. If you get a Mac, get it because it's a well built machine with a sleek and simple interface, not because it's going to save you from all the big scary viruses out there.

P.S. I'm still waiting for the day someone gets bored enough to create a real virus for OSX. They'll take down 40% of OSX based systems in a week. Just hope it doesn't get mine.

Post 32 of 58

misleading talk

by nickrandocps - 12/19/08 9:13 PM In reply to: You are both being misleading. by AkulaTheDeathScythe

Now that is definitely something that I agree with. I think I was biased when I wrote that. Viruses are but one of the many reasons that I am switching to Mac. The iLife suite, compatibility, and general cohesiveness of the infrastructure of Macs are basically why I'm buying that machine. As someone who has used both, though, I just plain like the way Macs run better than windows.

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A warning

by 3rdalbum - 8/23/08 11:50 PM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

If all you want is a "virus-free Windows", then you will probably get a bit frustrated with Mac OS X.

If you actually want something that is different to Windows, then you will probably like any other platform you switch to.

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MAC Vers. Windows

by sclaflin - 11/24/08 6:29 PM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

MAC is so much better than Windows! I use both and I have a laptop with Windows in the living room and Mac in the office. Now if I had a 65" Sony in the Office than I would be good. I have never had a problem with my MAC but the Windows is problematic. I have bugs all over this thing but the MAC is clean as can be...... All your choice but the choice is yours so things will sense in the end. The MAC is a great machine and I love it!!!!! I'm sure you would love it too. Its just a little different but lots of fun!

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What a difference 3 months make

by mrmacfixit Moderator - 11/25/08 6:08 AM In reply to: MAC Vers. Windows by sclaflin

You seem to have made the switch quite well and, judging by your post, are enjoying life with your Mac.

I think we would all be happy with that 65" Sony hanging on the wall of the office or the den. :-)

Just a quick point, the computer you have is a Mac, short for Macintosh.

MAC stands for Media Access Control. Those unique (almost) numbers that an Ethernet card or Wireless card are allocated.

Have fun

P

Post 36 of 58

Lol

by kevanatkins - 2/27/09 11:50 PM In reply to: What a difference 3 months make by mrmacfixit Moderator

Lol

Post 37 of 58

MAC stands for lots of things

by Mr. Gregg - 9/23/09 6:31 AM In reply to: What a difference 3 months make by mrmacfixit Moderator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac

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A Clarification

by alexia.del.france - 11/26/08 3:37 PM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

The only OS I've ever used is Windows. For a while I never even HAD security software on my notebook because unless you're an ignorant moron, you can avoid getting viruses and their ilk without even needing it. The only reason you'd really need it that I can see is if you use BitTorrent software, or some other kind of peer-to-peer communication. As stated above, Macs have fewer viruses because there are less of them than Windows computers. Also, Apple definitely does overprice everything they sell, which can be a deterrent to wanting to buy a Mac, and they do it because they're one out of two companies that sell Macs, and the second company may very well be forced into going out of business.

Honestly, it really just depends on what you want to do with your computer. In most cases, I'd go with a Mac, unless you don't want to buy a copy of a Windows OS and are afraid some software you'd want to use isn't compatible with the version of Mac you want. However, there are some exceptions. If you're a gamer, such as myself, or if Apple's computers don't have high enough specs that you want or need, then go with a Windows computer, as their hardware is much more varied, including hardware with higher specs than Apple's, and they offer a better price for the money.

Also, as mentioned in a previous post, Apple DOES want to have exclusive rights to the Mac OS as stated in the EULA. It's the reason they started feuding with Psystar, the second company I mentioned, in court, because Psystar has built their own Macs. However, if you want a Mac but want the specs of a Windows computer, you can try building a Hackintosh, which DOES violate the EULA, but as long as you don't start selling them and anyone from Apple hears about it, then you're not in trouble with Apple. The downside to that however, is that you may not know how or want to build a computer, and that it totally voids the warranty and you can never receive support from Apple for that computer. Of course, you can always buy a computer from Psystar, but if they lose in court, well... that may not be good. You can check out CNET's review of Psystar's computer for more info here: http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/psystar-openpro/4505-3118_7-33318861.html?tag=mncol;lst

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Sorry

by alexia.del.france - 11/26/08 3:42 PM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

I didn't think to also include the link for their other computer, found here: http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/psystar-open-computer/4505-3118_7-32978558.html?tag=mncol;lst

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Good and bad

by AkulaTheDeathScythe - 12/17/08 4:01 PM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

From my personal experiences with both OSX and Vista/XP I've been able to come up with a few things that really sum up the good and bad.

OSX- Good: I think the most important part here and really what makes a differnce for most people is that OSX is essentially idiot proof. Everything works in the same way with the same basic menus and what not, and its pretty hard to really screw things up and the OS really doesn't let you change much about it.
Vista/XP- Good: Yes I'm bundling those two into one, don't bug me about it. The good here is that there is a huge user base for windows. This means that there will be a large amount of software of almost every type available. The other nice thing is that, compared to OSX, Vista/XP are realativly customizable.

OSX- Bad: The very thing that makes OSX great for some can be a deal killer for others, in this regard I'm refering to it being idiot proof. In making it in such a way the OS is very difficult to change around which can be annoying for people like me who tend to change things until they work exactly how i want them. The other bad is that while there is a significant (and passionate) user base, it is no where near the size of the windows user base. This means that the amount of 3rd party software will be significatly lower.
Vista/XP- Bad: STUPID PEOPLE WILL BREAK IT, STUPID PEOPLE WILL BREAK IT. It's really that simple, I deal with it all the time. Other then that, there are a few actual points here. First, Vista/XP have a slight learning curve for a lot of things as each software developer has their own style for their own software. Second, your OS's stability is really heavily based on the hardware you have it on, and a lot of PC manufacturers out there are just plain bad.

That's just a short run through of things, there is deffinelty a lot more to be said about both sides. A note about what I've said: I have little experience with Mac hardware so I haven't really gone into the differences there between Macs and Windows machines.

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Mac Vs Windoze

by whingerty - 1/29/09 10:13 AM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

Like the man said. Viruses are written for Windoze.Besides which I cant stand Gates. My windesktop freezes and or crashes evryday. My Mac can sit there with 10 programs running, downloading, etc and keep getting up. Its the way of the future. Its Unix based for one thing. If I didnt run Mac I would run Ubuntu or some other form of Linux(Which I just installed on my desktop) The first week I got my Mac I was little unsure. But I found I didnt have to dispose of my two button mouse.That was the only advantage win ever had. Two button mouse. Now if you are really missing windoze you can always run it in MAc. I dont know why you would want to. Windoze has two prgrams Idlike to see in Mac, Irfanview and Cardfile. But Keychain access does what I used cardfile for.(Cardfile was discontinued after 3.1 anyway, but I kept it)Get the Mac. You wont be sorry.

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(NT) Check out Graphic Converter

by mrmacfixit Moderator - 1/29/09 5:34 PM In reply to: Mac Vs Windoze by whingerty

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I work with 2 friends

by donalpixny - 1/31/09 10:53 AM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

in a home office. When I started with them, 4 or 5 years ago, they used PC's, I used a Mac as I always have. A few years went by, and one of them noticed that I had spent no time re-booting my system, re-formatting my hard drives, etc. but just powered up and went to work, whereas they had spent weeks on such non-productive tasks. They also noticed it took under a minute, one or two clicks, to install new software. And so on.
The light was seen, they are both Mac users now. Start a forum for former Mac users who have moved to Windows; very little traffic I imagine.

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Mac vs PC

by samram1972 - 5/20/09 10:13 AM In reply to: I work with 2 friends by donalpixny

Hi All,

Let me start by saying I am not a computer novice, so some of my points may be biased, so please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I use, very efficiently, Windows XP, VISTA, MAC OSX, Linux, and UNIX.

The discussions about the "better system - MAC or PC" I think has NEVER really been addressed in any proper way. I read a review recently, and the author made mention that he was tired of stupid fanboy reviews/discussions about the better OS - but then mentions in his review about the amount of lights on PC's versus MAC's - what the hell????

I think people who are trying to decide on purchasing one or the other are not really been given the truth and what makes one better than the other - in some circumstances. Let me state NO SYSTEM IS BETTER!!!

There are things that each system offers that should be the deciding factor on choosing your next system, here are a few points, my thoughs on using them as criteria, and hopefully some proper guidance for that newbie (or want to be newbie!:))

1. Windows has more programs available - yes it does, but NO person runs them all, try to figure out what you need to do, and see which OS offer's that - if both do, then you are off to a great start (more than likely they do). The exception comes to games, where the PC kills! But you can normally find more than enough programs to practically do anything on both systems.

2. MAC is more stable - really? I have read posts where people state that they have problems with their PC's and never had a problem with their MAC - REALLY? I have had my PC's for quite awhile - yes I run my antivirus software (don't on my MAC), and don't go to sites that ANYONE can tell they will get infected - and I NEVER had a problem - I saw another post where the author indicated that you only need to restart a MAC once a month or so - really of an OS update - I have done that on my PC - I did not restart it for a YEAR!!! PC's are more vunerable to viruses - but have you read one of the MAJOR reasons for the MAC OSX 10.6 (Snow Leopard) release - read it properly - the possibility of virus attacks means that Apple must make it more secure. It is the world we live in, and PC's are the target - they are the world dominator.

3. Ease of use - many people state that Apple is more intutive, easier to use etc etc, and I disagree, the both systems are easy to use, they have their own ways of doing things and both ways have their good and bad - it is a personal choice - one major plus of Windows is its configurability - you can practically theme the crap out of Windows to resemble anything you want - like the MAC OSX dock, but have XP/VISTA? - theme it, and you are practicaly running on a MAC. This is where MAC falls shy - it does not allow the user to have that flexibility in configuration - think about Firefox vs IE.

4. Cost. It is true that MAC's generally cost more than PC's - but if you get a good quality PC - the costs are about the same - the real issue is the budget purchaser - s/he will find a PC closer to their budget faster than they will find a MAC. Sub $500 PC's are common place - not on the MAC side.

5. Hardware. MAC fanboys have also used the arguement that Apple makes the hardware and the OS - so it will work better together - what? So they don't use (used to use Motorolla) Intel chips? Ahat about the high end video cards, sound cards, etc, etc - Apple makes them all? NOPE. No company can be the answer to everything - and because you design the OS does not mean you would make the best printer/sound card/video card - so really dumb argument. The problem has been that Windows tries to satisfy every suer out there, and sometimes leaves things a bit too "open" - hence the problems that they are faced with. MAC/Apple on the other hand has not been open with their OS - and this is one of the main reasons why it lags behind in its marketshare. But this is their strategy - and I will not say with business strategy is better.

Well I hope this helps at least 1 reader to make the proper choice - no system is better, and because your best friend uses PC or MAC does not mean it is the best solution for you. Do you research - know what you want to do - a PC?MAC (Computer) really is only good for 3-5 years - after that the number of changes in technology may substantiate a new purchase - this is not always true (let's say all you do is check your emails, probably write some letter's etc - you computer will last longer), for those who wants to edit/create movies, audio editing, graphic designing etc, a PC every 3 years is not unheard of. Don't buy a PC that will last you for the next 15 years is what I am saying, if you are unsure where and what you want to do, no need to to buy the Ferrari to pick up the kids - buy the Civic, and then in a few years make a more informed purchase.

Good luck.

Sam.

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Windows PC switches to MAC PRO. The good and not so good!

by dan-photo - 5/31/09 7:24 AM In reply to: Mac OS X good and bad vs. Windows by sclaflin

We’re a small photography studio here in the Temecula Valley Wine Country. Having used the MS PC stuff for 20 plus years, we recently decided to enhance our primary studio computer system to a new MAC PRO. We got the new 2009 Mac Pro 4-CORE version at 2.93G with 8G of memory. We expected a new exciting experience with using a system that touts itself on having the best-in-class workflow for creative design especially for photography. We’re having issues achieving those goals and asking for some assistance from the MAC pros out there. I will list our issues and grade on OUR experience from A-F for OUR studio needs:

Speed: C-
A bit surprising that our older Windows XP with CS4 Design Premium actually out runs our new MAC PRO. We have done all the stuff listed on the Apple and Adobe site to maximum performance but it’s just not as fast.

Ease of use: A
This was expected. Very clean user start up and interface.

Flexibility and Configuration: D
One of the biggest disappointments. Things like sorting folders and subfolders so the arrangement is like humans think. Not. I cannot find a way to have my folders float to the top of the Finder lists. I read all the notes and suggestions that I should put a space or special character on my folders so they sort. This in not the Apple experience expected. I cannot find a way to alter the mouse cursor. Small black arrow is not ideal for my style of photography. It gets lost. Can’t believe Apple does not have a way to select a mouse cursor.

Reliability: C-
In basic mode the MAC Pro works fine. But pushed to its limit with Photoshop Extended and onOne filters causes faults from screen issues to total system crashes. We never had one crash with Windows XP on the identical configuration.

Networking: C-
The MAC has its’ own mind and decides when it will mount to our office network or not. Several calls to Apple Support was useless and they even admitted that Apple really only works well on Apple networks. That’s not good as we have over 27 Terabytes of photos on the net. Funny that the PC’s on the net find the MAC and can view read/write to its files just fine. But, the MAC has all kinds of issues in reverse.

We’re going to stick with the MAC Pro with an assumption new updates to the OS will help. I hear rumors that the next OS update will support CS4 in 64-bit mode and hopefully allow more configurations with the user interface….any suggestions from this group is appreciated…..Dan

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