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RE: flop of 6.
by caktus - 11/1/08 4:23 PM In reply to: ie by mickzdamanI think it's the best version they've come out with. Personally, I think it out performes IE 7 minus the tabbing feature. 6 would still be my browser of choice over FF, Opera, Maxthon and others if I hadn't come across K-Mekeon which out performs anything I've evern used on dialup.
You do realize
by Jimmy Greystone - 11/1/08 4:43 PM In reply to: RE: flop of 6. by caktusYou do realize of course that K-Mellon is just another Gecko based browser, same as Firefox, Seamonkey, and Flock.
You should also give some of the Firefox 3.1 nightlies a try. Just on a whim I gave it a try, and page rendering is noticeably faster than Firefox 3.0.3. Plus it has the new JavaScript engine which is supposed to be up to 400% faster. I'm sure it won't come close to that for your everyday tasks, but even if it's 1.5-2X faster, that's a worthwhile enhancement IMO.
reply to: You do realize
by caktus - 11/2/08 6:05 AM In reply to: You do realize by Jimmy GreystoneYes. I know it's built on the Gecko engine. Been reading some pro's and con's betwwen KM1.5.1, FF3.1 and Opera 9.6. I'll give the last two a try and see if they work out for me.
reply to: You do realize
by caktus - 11/2/08 5:18 PM In reply to: You do realize by Jimmy GreystoneBeen using the FF3.1b today with default settings. While certainly faster when loading 'some' light pages, in many cases according to the status indicator some pages would only load to about %80 while in appearance the page was in fact fully loaded. Also, page-load would consume as much as %26 of cpu resource. While attempting to open and or utilize simple apps such as Word and Notepad, cpu resource during page-load, FF3.1b would consume up to %90 of cpu resource causing apps such as Word and Notepad to operate sloooowly or not at all. And attempting to drag an icon or Notepad page during web page loading would either cause the drag operation to leave permenant trails or freeze. While I found the memory usage to be very reaonable especially compared to IE thru 6.0 (I haven't tried and don't think I intend to try 7 or 8,) I find KM 1.5.1 (and earlier versions) to leave less a footprint and in general render pages much faster, though in some cases FF3.1b did render in half the time. Something else I didn't care for was the fact that FF3.1b seemed to steal default status with no appearant means to undo it's default status except to set KM back to default.
If I had a good broadband connection I could perhaps be comfortable with FF3.1b or any secure browser for that matter. But since I see no good reason for me to upgrade beyond a discount dialup, I have to say I'm a happier camper with KM1.5.1 (or even earlier.) Perhaps it's just something about my particular system or Internet settings, but I'll try it again when it's out of beta.
Meanwhile, I'll install Opera 962 int (what ever int means, perhaps you can clue me in) and see how this new Opera v fares for me.
RE: Opera.
by caktus - 11/3/08 7:06 PM In reply to: You do realize by Jimmy GreystoneMore often than not, the new Opera rendered pages rather quickly. It may be just me, but customizing it was like learning to use the TI-30 scientific calulator back in the day which came with an intruction book the size of which put most large paperback novels to shame. Opera as usual is trying to provide users with evey possible feature under the sun. Like trying to find the dead sea scrolls, you just keep digging not even knowing if you will every find them (if they have been found, then I reference Atlantis 
.) As I mentioned, it may just be me, but I'm growing old so fast that I just don't have the time nor desire to dredge through a lot of crap just trying to find simplicities that make life more pleasent for me. KM is extremely fast and just makes cutomizing so very simple, and I like that.
Cheerio 
k-mekeon
by mickzdaman - 11/3/08 2:54 PM In reply to: RE: flop of 6. by caktusdo you know how k-mekeon performs with broadband? and if so where could i find it? iv'e never heard of it to tell the truth, im more into how browsers perform for me but i must say ie, of late, seems to be slowing down more and more, day by day. So i'm on the lookout for a new browser, and i may give k-mekeon a whirl!
reply to: k-mekeon
by caktus - 11/3/08 7:55 PM In reply to: k-mekeon by mickzdamanK-Meleon is an extremely fast, customizable, lightweight web browser based on the Gecko layout engine developed by Mozilla which is also used by Firefox and many other browsers. K-Meleon is free, open source software released under the GNU General Public License and is designed specifically for Microsoft Windows (Win32) operating systems.
You can download it at http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
Though all versions are simple and fast, the latest version (1.5.1) is the fastest. Download the Full package with installer for the easiet installation. It will automatically create it's own folder in the main directory (usually the C: drive, not Add/Remove Programs.) I chose to run the setup in a new folder on the desktop for easy access since setting some customizations requires accessing the main KM files.
Fist thing after installation, open the KM 1.5.1 folder and create an empty text document named "profile.ini" with out the quotes being sure to save it as .ini rather than .txt. This is not always necessary, but it will prevent KM from trying to use profiles built in other browsers which may not (probably not) be compatible with your KM installation. I figure that's about as difficult as it gets, since it can be run with defalt settings. I have mine stripped down to a "plain-jane" with few custmizations for the sake of simplicity and max screen real estate.
You will find that some functions work quite differently from big name browsers, the price of simplicity and speed. After a while you may want to add some personal custmizations, some of which can be found (already prepared) at the K-Meleon Macro Library
And the General Forum has volenteer members and developers dedicated to helping solve problems with KM as well as help to create your own individual customazations.
Welcome aboard the K-Meleon train.
Charlie
SAFARI for Windows..
by dansar99 - 11/8/08 5:30 PM In reply to: k-mekeon by mickzdamanI have broadband and I have tried Firefox 3, Chrome,K-melleon,slimbrowser,Maxthon and so far Safari is the easiest to use and fast. I love that I can set text to be no lower than a certain # you choose.That way I can lean back and relax while I read pages. Very nice bookmark bar. 9 news sources on it and I can add to it. I know all the geeks here advocate FF3 but you have to be a geek to configure to you're needs. Safari is already set up for the casual user with minor tweaks you can do.
thanks mate
by mickzdaman - 11/9/08 2:19 AM In reply to: SAFARI for Windows.. by dansar99i appreciate your honesty. could you please give me an address to download safari, and i,ll give it a whirl. after all im trying to make life easier, not more difficult and time consuming
you can ...
by dansar99 - 11/9/08 8:00 PM In reply to: thanks mate by mickzdamandownload it from this site. Click on <Downloads> at the top of this page. Then type in Safari in the search bar. I like to download programs from this site for safety reasons
No, not really
by Jimmy Greystone - 11/1/08 5:31 PM In reply to: ie by mickzdamanNo, not really. Microsoft isn't all that interested in the browser market anymore. Their latest flight of fancy is cloud computing. The latest evolution in technology where we have come full circle. Cloud computing is just a new take on the old mainframe idea from the 70s.
Personally, I think Microsoft would be wise to just discontinue IE completely. It's near continuous security issues are one PR disaster I'm sure they'd love to be able to stop dealing with. Since IE8 is already mostly done, I'd make it the final release. IE6-8 will be kept on life support for a couple of years to have security issues fixed, but users are urged to switch to something else. Keep the rendering engine around, but gut it in a big way. No ActiveX, no Flash, no JavaScript, no Java, no frames, no anything like that. Just text layout and formatting controls for the help system. Over time, make programs like Office be able to use rendering engines from other browsers found on the system.
It may seem hard to believe, but one or two more Vista level disasters, and Microsoft could very well be out of business. It is a company teetering dangerously close to the edge of oblivion.
RE: discontinue IE completely.
by caktus - 11/2/08 5:34 PM In reply to: No, not really by Jimmy GreystoneI think they sould stop at 6 or 7 and and let others keep building browsers, especially since there is no money in it for them. Just a basic browser to permit immediate web surfing from the word go following installation. And having to use IE for MS updates is fine with me, and nowadays I use IE almost excluviey for updates. Still, [ccasionally] I run across a site that still requires IE. BTW, I rarely see updates for IE any more, usually just for XP and apps.
IE is a waste of time
by Pyrrhos - 11/2/08 12:33 PM In reply to: about deleting IE. by mickzdamanI've got all the latest Windows updates on my computer; and IE still crashes every time I use it. Thank heavens for Firefox!
To try and fix your IE
by MarkFlax
- 11/3/08 3:20 AM
In reply to: IE is a waste of time by Pyrrhos
Start by removing all ActiveX, addons, toolbars, and BHOs, (Browser Helper Objects), from IE. Many Internet Explorer problems can be traced back to some of these.
Mark
Don't Deleat IE
by sauronjim - 11/1/08 8:23 PM In reply to: SP4 by jbavieraI actually use Firefox, and I like it much better then IE
But if you got rid of IE, all the users who use it would be unable to access the internet. Plus, when you buy a new computer, if it had 'sp4' on it, it would come without any internet browser, and the user would be unable to download firefox, and would have NO INTERNET ACCESS!
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