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by kelray85 - 10/22/08 2:36 PMI have a friend that is looking for a laptop computer. She found a really good buy on a Hewlett-Packard and as Windows Vista Premium 64-bit on in. She definitely doesn't need the 64-bit, but that is what is on it. Basically all she wants to do is surf the Internet do her e-mail, listen to music and watch DVDs. What my question is, is there any reason she should stay away from the computer because it is 64-bit. I hate to see her buy it only to have problems in the future. I read someplace that iTunes would not work with 64 bit, is that true? Is there a way to get iTunes to work with it? I look forward to receiving your opinions on this matter. Thank you very much in advance for your answers.
I suggest she keep it
by Shun4rm323 - 10/22/08 2:53 PM In reply to: Vista Premium 64-bit by kelray85There is no difference between 32 and 64 bit unless you have a computer with more than 3.25GB RAM. 32 bit Vista only SHOWS that there is 4 or more GB of RAM installed but it does not use more than 3.25 of it. This is where 64 bit Vista is useful as it uses all the RAM it has.
Her programs should run fine on it and for iTunes, download the newest version from Apple. They have designed a separate version for Vista 64 so choose that one when downloading. As for performance of iTunes on 64, I haven't a 64 bit copy to tell you my experience. My $000.02
Apple sez.... see link.
by R. Proffitt
- 10/22/08 2:58 PM
In reply to: Vista Premium 64-bit by kelray85
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1426
Where I see problems with Vista 64 is when people don't see if their printer, scanner and such is compatible.
Bob
Personally
by Jimmy Greystone - 10/22/08 7:28 PM In reply to: Vista Premium 64-bit by kelray85Personally, and others may disagree with me on this, I wouldn't touch anything made by HP. HP is not a company well known for its quality. A friend of mine is pretty typical of a lot of people I see who have HP systems.
He spent 2-3 months not being able to right click without Explorer crashing. Vista's SP1 fixed that for him, but he still has regular and varied problems. He is quite capable technically too, so he's not simply making "rookie" mistakes.
Since HP makes Compaq systems, they go on my blacklist too. Acer, Gateway, and eMachines (all made by Acer) are on that list as well. People who buy these brands tend to have much higher problem rates compared to others.
For laptops, I recommend people consider only these four brands: Apple, Lenovo, Dell, and Toshiba.
As far as a generic question about Vista x64 goes... So long as she takes care to make sure any hardware she buys is compatible, it shouldn't be an issue. Odds are in every other respect, you'd hardly notice the difference over the 32-bit Vista.
Cross out Toshiba and put ASUS and MSI, Dell is fine
by Shun4rm323 - 10/22/08 9:18 PM In reply to: Personally by Jimmy GreystoneMy close cousin who has had a Toshiba A104 machine has had to take the laptop in more than 5 times in the first year has been really unsatisfied. The casing is of despicable quality, the screen is unstable and overall Toshiba's warranty stinks! We have had much success with HP and Dell. Lenovo (or IBM) which isn't really consumer but more business oriented have been better. Apple's Macbooks and Pros are also very well made and last however the exception may be the first-gen defects such as burned MagSafe chargers. I have tried ASUS and MSI laptops and those are wonderful quality as well I highly recommend.
Errr...I'm going off topic but the truth must be heard. Acer, Gateway, eMachines are pure manure, infact why put the manure at shame?
HP is a compmnay not known for their Quality huh,
by kjohnson913 - 10/24/08 8:27 PM In reply to: Personally by Jimmy GreystoneThat is quite a shocking statement. HP is a technology leader by any standards. What they achieved in printing is unmatched by anyone. When HP bought Compaq, they were both known for high quality standards. Nothing has changed. I'm sorry i can't add to the actual question, which your reply was non-responsive too, but I am sure that any problems with Vista and HP compatibility will have at least as good a chance of getting resolved quickly as any of the manufacturer's you listed. I don't work for or own stock in any of these companies, but I know them quite well and your statement is incredibly uninformed.
Not with computers
by Jimmy Greystone - 10/24/08 11:25 PM In reply to: HP is a compmnay not known for their Quality huh, by kjohnson913Not with computers they aren't, and their laser printers are a marvel of engineering... It's just too bad the same can't be said of the drivers, which are like something a dyslexic masochistic sociopath with a bad attitude would come up with. HP also makes pretty good graphing calculators. Or at least so I'm told by several very credible sources. Not one who has much need for a graphing calculator on a day to day basis.
And both HP and Compaq were fighting it out for the toilet bowl crown on the computer front before merging. Compaq had a decent server business going, but that came from their acquisition of DEC. Of course HP comes along and kills off the Alpha CPU and the idiotically renamed Tru64 or Digital Unix in favor of their own inferior processor and flavor of Unix.
So, I don't know where you were getting your information, but HP press releases and shareholder statements aren't exactly the most reliable of sources. And just because they exploit Asian slave labor to sell their systems dirt cheap doesn't make them good quality.
Simple fact is, Windows will trip and fall very quickly when you try to run it on dodgy hardware. HP sells dodgy hardware. Add the two together, and you get that Windows will run poorly on HP systems due to it's inability to handle dodgy hardware gracefully. Even Linux has far greater difficulty running on HP hardware. It manages to keep upright a bit longer than Windows, but it is a bit of an uphill battle compared to other systems.
The other companies I listed tend to have a far lower crappy system ratio compared to HP/Compaq and Acer/Gateway/eMachines. It's not to say that you will never get a defective Apple system, it's just that the odds of getting a defective Apple system are considerably less than HP/Compaq/Acer/Gateway/eMachines.
It is a little surprising, and disheartening at the same time, that I need to explain this again. I try so hard to maintain a belief that deep down, most people are intelligent and rational beings, but sometimes people don't make it easy to keep on believing that.
It's also kind of telling, IMO anyway... That out of all the numerous times I've made this claim, only about 2 people have ever bothered to challenge it. So that's you and one other person to my recollection. I don't want to go putting words in other people's mouths, but I'm reminded of the Latin phrase: Qui tacet consentire videtur -- He that is silent is thought to consent. You'd think if my statements were so uninformed that more people would be stepping up to challenge me on it, but they don't. We at 2 for probably 50 or 60 times I've said that. My cup also runneth over with anecdotal evidence to support my claim. Unless you want to claim that I am somehow able to mastermind the fabrication of hundreds, thousands, even tens of thousands, of email list messages, newsgroup postings, forum postings, and web pages in pretty much every single language that has a written form, and populated the entire Internet with them... Or even toning down the paranoia a little and just assuming that I'm responsible for a good chunk of them... You can go look pretty much anywhere you want and find evidence of this. People with HP/Compaq/Acer/Gateway/eMachines systems make up a highly disproportionate number of the overall total complaints. Are there other possibilities that could be influencing these results? Absolutely. But since I don't have the money or manpower to conduct a proper study, I have to rely on Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is usually the right one. Windows AND Linux both have problems running on these systems, they make up a disproportionate number of the overall complaint tally... Shoddy build quality seems like a pretty simple solution that can cause all the symptoms.
I agree as well but...
by Shun4rm323 - 10/25/08 1:18 PM In reply to: Not with computers by Jimmy Greystonetheir laptops are a little easier to get around. They aren't "as" cheap as the desktops. Frankly HP laptops last longer than most other builds such as Gateway, Acer, and the like. Toshibas have been the worst to me or should I say my cousin. There have been 5 defects within 8 months after purchase...pathetic!!! It was a C2D T5500 machine named A105-something. HP, Sony, Asus, and MSI I've had good experience with. MacBooks and Pros included however if anything major gets screwed up, I've read from many others that their AppleCare is very useless and infact they might even damage it more.
All one system
by Jimmy Greystone - 10/25/08 2:35 PM In reply to: I agree as well but... by Shun4rm323All one system or were there any replacements with this Toshiba? As with any mass produced product, defects can and will happen. It certainly sucks if you're the one who winds up getting one of these defective units, but it happens. Someone has to get the defect so that everyone else doesn't.
If it were just one system that has had repeated problems, I would say your cousin just got "lucky" with a supremely defective unit. If they have replaced it with a whole new unit at least once, then it starts to look like a bad batch was produced.
Can't really speak much about Apple's AppleCare, except that if they screw things up even more, they're on the hook to make things better. If they completely trash your system, they are obligated to give you a replacement system that is the closest analog to what you had.
Its under Circuit City's Warranty as well as Toshiba's so...
by Shun4rm323 - 10/25/08 5:33 PM In reply to: All one system by Jimmy Greystonethe replacement policy states that in the case of spills or drops, they will replace a similarly priced machine in its place. I'm just waiting for him to purposely spill some juice on the keyboard and the bottom parts so they can get rid of it for good.
You're so right about Apple
by Fox_Rox - 10/25/08 6:05 PM In reply to: I agree as well but... by Shun4rm323Apple computers are pretty well made, but heaven forbid you have a problem with one. Their technical support is the crappiest I have seen. The people that work at their "Genius Bar" are on the ignorant side. At least, that's been my experience. Their proprietary nature makes them expensive to upgrade or repair.
whats the problem
by papa54 - 10/24/08 10:37 PM In reply to: Vista Premium 64-bit by kelray85welp i have been online since the old bulletine days before there was a open internet. i have had many HP's and Compaq's, i usaly reworked the insides, like new burners or cd burners players , dvd included.
i also have a gateway desk top built back in about 2001 that i would match up to any machine out there with same memory chips etc.. it still runs with the bog boys and as fast as any new machine. including dell acer e-machine etc..i have new dual layer burners that i installed and a new 40gb hard drive to hold more junk..so i say its not so much the machine in most cases,, its the owner and how they approach a cpu.. if all one wants to do is chatter.. get a new phone.
ok on topic.. the vistas of yesterday were junky by all means..non user friendly at all but i bought a new HP notebook 64 bit edition. guess what? it loaded my 32 bit programs as well as what few 64 bit programs and in the same menu (i use the Classic view) it is completely user friendly, sure the add/remove was replaced by programs/features but that wasnt hard to get used to. the pad on the notebook is really touchy if ya have big fingers. but as for 64 bit. lets face facts, 64 bit is coming on the scene slowly but coming anywaysl so why not invest the cash where you wont be outta date when the new programs hit the shelves.. keep it if you like it.
i would suggest that all read about the various vista cpu's.. i did and i choice the DV2945SE..so far it does everything i could have wished for and it doesnt run back to mama microsoft for permission to run a program..that choice now is left up to you the user. i love mine. and btw my old workhorse desktop is a gateway 1gb ram 350gb hd.
with 2 burners for 8x 16x video work +-dvd/cd/rw/ capable to burn dual layer or 9 gig dvd's. and i am so happy with my vista home premium notebook.. read read and then make yer descision.
and i installed a 40 gb small hd for junk and various programs. my desktop is 32 bit XP but my notebook is a 64 bit AMD 4gb ram 300gb hd
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