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BR disks of older movies as good as BR new movies?
by chesschess - 9/14/08 1:36 AMGreetings,
Are BR disks of older movies (not shot with blue ray in mind) as good as BR disks of new movies?
Thank you and much appreciate your help.
Regards
Chesschess
It depends of the condition of the master
by minimalist - 9/14/08 7:39 AM In reply to: BR disks of older movies as good as BR new movies? by chesschessAnd how much care is given to the transfer process. I have seen movies that are only 15 years old that look underwhelming because the studios just took an bad old transfer and upped the resolution and pushed it out the door to make a quick buck.
But all things being equal, I do believe that even older film stock has the capability to be seen in higher resolution than a 1080p picture. I have heard that film grain is comparable to a 4K resolution.
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by jonnybones - 9/14/08 9:36 PM In reply to: BR disks of older movies as good as BR new movies? by chesschessHow old are we talking here?
As a side thought, if you make a plaster cast of a footprint lifted from grass and compare it to a cast of a footprint lifted from snow you get very different results.
website that reviews the quality of newly released BR disks?
by chesschess - 9/14/08 9:49 PM In reply to: + by jonnybonesHello,
Thank you for your time and comments.
I wonder if say, Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo was released on BR, would it be that much better than the version onn DVD - both played on BR players. I guess it depends on the master.
I wonder if there is a website that reviews the quality of newly released BR disks?
Thx
Chesschess
between the few of you, you guys hit both factors.
by jostenmeat - 9/14/08 11:26 PM In reply to: website that reviews the quality of newly released BR disks? by chesschessMaster. Transfer. The first depends on the condition. The second takes pure time and money.
Nothing comes to mind as first rate "old" BDs. Hmmm. I think 2001 is supposed to be decent. Not reference PQ or anything, but quite an improvement.
The best transfers I've seen of "older" (not Vertigo old) are actually on HD-DVD. The two best I think of are The Thing and Darkman. Darkman has some of the most detailed faces Ive ever seen on either format. The color stock is representative of its time period; not as wide of a color palette. The Thing shows the master's age once in a while, but man, unbelievable man, unbelievable.
The Last Starfighter is a step down for sure.
Peter Jackson's The Frighteners is close to bottom of the barrel. Still a very fun movie, but PQ is a no go.
Ah yes, I have Life of Brian on Bluray. Its alright. Its ok. I also have Blazing Saddles, but waiting on a couple of friends before throwing that on.
Whether older, or current, the quality of master is often associated with the budget of the movie itself, AFAIK.
Here is one thread I use to get some help in PQ purchases for BD:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316
You can also somewhat predict the PQ by the amount of gb's taken up on the 25g or 50g BD. Or the video bitrate. Bitrate is very variabe, a certain movie can have 5x the bitrate from one scene to another.
Bitrate specs, total, video, audio:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=760714
bluray stats:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/stats.php
Hope that gets you started.
If you want pristine transfers of older movies, Criterion is releasing their first 5 in November. I already have all 5 on preorder. Also, Godfather will be here in a week and a half, and is supposed to have gone thru a pristine transfer. If I understood correctly, even the DVD was using the same master as the VHS?
I really dont know much about this stuff I suppose. hope this helps.
and guess what
by jostenmeat - 9/14/08 11:31 PM In reply to: between the few of you, you guys hit both factors. by jostenmeatlast time I read about it, Criterion is pricing their DVDs at the exact same price as the Blurays for these releases.
One that skipped my mind:
by jostenmeat - 9/15/08 12:00 PM In reply to: between the few of you, you guys hit both factors. by jostenmeatCasablanca.
Its definitely not claimed to be perfect, or even comparable with the better PQ examples, but still a worthy improvement to be a worthwhile purchase.
Thank you
by chesschess - 9/17/08 5:21 AM In reply to: between the few of you, you guys hit both factors. by jostenmeatGreetings and thank you very much for your replies.
They are most helpful (-:
My new Pioneer LX508A arrived. Its amazing (-;
Blue ray is next.
Cheers
Chesschess
someother
by givemeaname - 9/18/08 8:37 PM In reply to: Thank you by chesschessgood PQ 'old' movies (one's that I own)
Patton
Close Encounters
Blade Runner
The Omega Man
Dawn of the Dead 1978
Day of the Dead 1985
The Road Warrior (one seen, a night one, has lots & lots of film grain, but just lasts a few sec's)
Unforgiven (a few of the the night shoots could be better)
The Shininng
Blazing Saddles... Ok PQ
not so hot PQ
Goodfellas (looks like a dvd sometimes)
Total Recall (one of my worse PQ BD's, but it was just $12)
StarGate (outside stuff good/ok PQ but stuff indoors or nights suck)
I keep hearing about C.E. of the 3rd kind
by jostenmeat - 9/18/08 9:19 PM In reply to: someother by givemeanameand so I just ordered it. heh. It was always priced pretty high, even if its all of material/discs or something. well, it finally dropped under $20 with vendors at Amazon, so yay.
Patton, unfortunately, has been often noted for DNR. When I mentioned Casablanca, it was with a couple of consumers of HD-DVD. But, Ive heard the BD is also suffering from undue DNR.
Thumbs up on remastered Blade Runner... very good ...
Unforgiven is ok, imo, on HDDVD. Night scenes are almost always worse in every movie. They're tough, I believe they require faster film with low lighting.
Thanks for the review g.m.a.n. and the straw that broke the camel's back regarding CE3rd. I give in!
In the last week
by jostenmeat - 9/30/08 2:37 PM In reply to: I keep hearing about C.E. of the 3rd kind by jostenmeatI watched Close Encounters and Pale Rider on Bluray. They are both top notch.
Close Encounters, there are 3 versions, and I watched the director's cut. It is the only Sony release to date with a DTS-MA track, which is what I selected. They included it due to Spielberg's demands.
Pale Rider was really superb, especially in terms of black detail or shadow detail, IMO. There was a bit of inconsistency in PQ, perhaps mostly near the beginning, but grain detail was top notch overall, especially for an older movie like this.
I give both movies the thumbs up for PQ.
A couple of good BD titles for me
by Dan Filice - 9/30/08 5:31 PM In reply to: In the last week by jostenmeatLast week I bought "I Robot" on Blu-ray. The video quality is stunning. Audio mix is stunning. It's one of my favorite movies to show people what Blu-ray is all about. My other favorite movie is the remasterd Blu-ray of "The Fifth Element". It's almost unreal when you can see individual specs of sweat glisten on facial hair. You need to have the "re-mastered" version because the first Blu-ray version wasn't so good. You can tell because the aspect ratio of the re-mastered "Fifth Element" is 1.40:1.
Websites that offer BRD reviews.
by emgesp - 9/15/08 3:06 AM In reply to: website that reviews the quality of newly released BR disks? by chesschesswww.dvdbeaver.com
www.highdefdigest.com
IMO, I think these are the best websites when it comes to Blu-ray reviews.
BD Reviews
by masonaries - 9/15/08 5:06 AM In reply to: website that reviews the quality of newly released BR disks? by chesschessAVS Forum reviews new BR DVD'd but you can start a new thread and ask the members. Home Theatre Magazine reviews new movies and that interesting because some moveie ar rated low.
As a daily visitor and contributor to many sub-forums
by jostenmeat - 9/15/08 12:03 PM In reply to: BD Reviews by masonarieswithin AVS, I can tell you for a fact that no other sub-forum has moderators that close down as many threads as in the BD software & player forums. They get moved, or closed, on a regular basis.
These two are the subforums that require the search function more than any other.
I've probably posted in 20 subforums at AVS. Just an FYI.
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