To the person who stated "obviously you do not ... art ..." With respect, you *obviously* don't buy too much professional art / 2-3D design / film production / music production hardware and software nowadays lol. It's all available for Windows both in 32bit and 64bit formats which is more than we can say about OS X which is completely excluded from the long-time benchmark program, (Adobe's) Autodesk CAD. So far as 2 and 3d graphic design, one of the most serious professional programs completely excludes OS X and the most widely used other one, a program called (Adobe's) MAYA that creates most of the amazing graphics we've seen in films and the brilliant Pixar 3D-like cartoons is limited to only the 32 bit program for OS X, whereas MAYA is programmed on and for both the 32 and the 64 bit Windows versions. The list goes on, but my point is ...
... people have the wildest notions about the 21st century Apple computers. The game completely changed when Apple adopted Intel CPU's exclusively and did away with their old PowerPC CPU'S (which were made primarily by IBM). Nowadays the hardware in an Apple box - from the technical viewpoint - is the same as you'll find in a Windows box - CPU's made by Intel and GPU's made by both ATI and nVidia. And I'll support what metalfan said about this hardware - Apple's complete product line falls far short of the cutting-edge, highest level hardware you'll find in Windows boxes. Apple doesn't offer any of the new generation Quad Core AMD and Intel CPU's, nor does it offer any of the higher level new generation GPU's from ATI or nVidia.
The hardware carried is quite abbreviated in the bargin, such that Windows-based hardware offers the full menu from bottom to top from the big players: Intel, AMD, nVidia and ATI, whereas Apple only offers a small slice of this hardware and not nearly the newest and highest quality, most mission-critical for everyone from professionals in architecture and fashion design to 3D graphic design.
Apple boxes are gorgeous to look at and exceptionally well-made - and their monitors just like HP's Dell's Samsung's etc hi-def WUGSX monitors are top-notch - this much is fact. And very few buyers are willing to reach for the WUGSX monitors yet at a premium of $500 over WGSX LCD 19 to 21" monitors. Apple doesn't offer the consumer the choice, so there's a few hundred bucks premium explained right there.
But there's nothing inside those Apple boxes that's any different than Windows-designed boxes, except the range of hardware is far smaller, cutting off both the bottom and top qualities.
But, really, you know who makes the same boxes as Apple nowadays in terms of artistic and forward look, and in terms of premium pricing? Sony's (Windows-based) Vaio line is so similar in looks that it's amazing (and it's equally overpriced for what's inside as Apple's product line is). The only thing that's different are the two operating systems - each has its own costs and benefits.
I sense that the day of reckoning is drawing near. Apple must somehow change its strategy to survive. Whether this means merging with an Asus or a Google, we don't know yet. Otherwise as it stands, they must begin selling lots more boxes into the SMB and enterprise markets where a sharp pencil gets the order - they've reached just about every upper middle class, American spender that exists in their traditional and limited niche catagory. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out in the coming few years.
I don't mean to close on a dreary note, but as long as we're discussing Apple's big picture future strategies for their computer line, we all expect Steve Jobs to pass sooner than later due to his recurring bout with cancer. He's been such a powerful force in the industry since he and Gates were kids in the 1970's, and the absolute and total driving force behind Apple, no one can replace him - that much is certain, he is one of a kind. His closest colleague in the industry remains the former CTO of Sun Micro who now is of course the current CEO of Google. Those two firms' Boards are cross-pollinated to the maximum and life would be so much easier for Google if they owned their own OEM when the Google Operating System's ready for showtime.
Maybe the merger concept isn't so far off, after all?
I will be going to college in about 1 year or so and I have been looking heavily into the computer market and so far all the research that I have done is leading me to get the Macbook. OBviously what a college student needs is reliability in that it would catch a virus and break half-way through your stay; Macs take care of that by virtually eliminating viruses and crashes. I would also want a computer that plays my music, lets me surf the web, and do schoolwork on it without any hitches. For a guy who's pretty much gotta work for all my money, I plan on getting the Macbook.
First my MacBook Pro shipped in from China. They may only assemble the parts there, but that is where it shipped from in March of this year. Second the college gives incentives because Apple provides the financing to do so. Apple has a whole education store on their website that also gives discounts to students and teachers. Last thing on the virus front you are correct that Macs do not get virsuses yet. The key word being yet. At the rate that Apple is gaining market share that will happen in the next several years. I know a lot of Mac users will dispute that or do not want to hear it, but it is the truth. Last year at some tech-hacker gathering hackers competed to see who get into what system first. I do not recall all of the Windows and Mac systems that were there. But, the first system hacked was the MacBook Air.
Macs crash like everything else. Just learn to work the
Google on the internet machine. Good luck, and have fun spending double the money for 1/4 of the PC I have.
Do you also believe Windows Vista will enlarge your hard drive? (snicker)
I believe nothing. I however know quite a bit. A lot of my knowledge is about computers; I seem to know a fair bit more than you as a matter of fact. I even know how to use google, which you apparently don't, choosing to make snyde remarks that make you look like a moron.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS291&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=mac+crashes
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,310,000 for mac crashes. (0.24 seconds)
Interesting.
Troll somewhere else.
Oh wait, speaking of knowing how to work google..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS291&q=vista+crashes&btnG=Search
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,980,000 for vista crashes. (0.08 seconds)
You searched for Mac generally instead of OSX and then Vista which is a specific version of an operating system. The competing OS for Vista is OSX...
Try searching for "OSX crashes"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS291&q=OSX+crashes&btnG=Search
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,810,000 for OSX crashes. (0.07 seconds)
and then for "Vista crashes"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS291&q=Vista+crashes&btnG=SearchResults 1 - 10 of about 3,010,000 for Vista crashes. (0.12 seconds)
Thanks for sharing your scientific knowledge though even though those numbers do not really prove anything. A lot of the search results are...
Mac Tips and tricks
Mac OS X is designed to provide you with very stable operating system. It hardly crashes. Even one program crashes, Mac OS and other programs will continue ...
www.macsensei.com/html/tips_and_tricks.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
and...
Word 2008 for Mac crashes when you try to start the program
31 Jan 2008 ... Describes the problem in which Word 2008 crashes when you first start it. This occurs when Word X was installed on the computer and had a ...
support.microsoft.com/kb/948489 - Similar pages - Note this
so really...you can get any kind of google results from such a general search and who knows what kind of sources you get with that information.
When people get a lot of crashes on their systems it's a good indication that they are downloading a lot of porn, their Windows is not up to date, or they've botched a software install (ie. installing a new version of software over top of an old one)
Personally I don't use Mac or Windows. Ubuntu is excellent, stable, free, super secure, doesn't crash and has a gigantic amount of scientific and professional software available which you can also view the source code for and modify it all to your needs. From format to Desktop installing Ubuntu takes about 20 minutes and you can receive updates for every driver, software, application, or anything you've installed on the system extremely quickly and effortlessly. Compared to the Windows nightmare of having to register tonnes of crap and then hunt down updates for the 60 to 70 individual softwares that you may have on your system. Then cleaning the registry, removing tonnes of adware/malware etc. Who has time for that? Even Universities around the globe are dropping their troublesome Windows computers and there expensive Unix servers for Ubuntu such as John Hopkins, Oakland, and Oxford.
I found Ubuntu Extremely unstable. It also barely supported high end hardware, which is the only kind of hardware I use. Much of what made it unstable was its oft tooted compiz effects. My only point is that OSX DOES crash. I could say "this is my PC, you can only install these specific programs on it" and all of a sudden my PC would be darn near impossible to crash. Who cares. If you would like I could post every one of those results to prove that at the very least half of them are actual problems.
Yes, a lot of people are morons when it comes to computers period. This greatly contributes to the computers crashing, Mac or otherwise.
Saying any program doesn't crash is just stupid. Just because you can operate it without crashing, and just because I can operate vista without crashing does not mean that other people with different hardware, software, ect have the same experiene. UBuntu crashes as well. In fact it crashed for me many times. Didn't really like accessing all of my movies and music, and didn't like compiz fusion much at all. Didn't like my video card, and didn't like running so called Native linux games like Quake 4 and doom 3.
So, have fun trolling, and keep believing Ubuntu is perfect, or any linux distro you happen to use. I personally will keep using windows as switching to anything else would waste about 10,000$ worth of hardware I have between my desktop and my laptop.
Please post every one of those results to prove that at the very least half of them are actual problems.
First, you do need to find out if your school is a MAC or PC school, today, however, that is often academic.
There are big transfer problems between the two systems unless you become computer savvy. They use, for example, different compression systems for files. PC uses ZIP and Mac uses another system.
There is not as much shareware nor free ware for MAC as for PC, basically because Mac only has 20% of the Market so few people want to program for that system.
Next, what are you doing? Graphics, audio and movies? You going into a Graphics or Audio intense major, then MAC may be the best way. Most of the Graphics, Video and Audio houses are Mac Houses.
Mac requires programmers to "clear the handle" as a part of removing a picture from your system. This means the memory is cleaned the moment you close the files.
PCs use what is called GARBAGE REMOVAL, relying on Windows to eventually locate and terminate unused memory.
So, PCs tend to crash after you edit about 100 JPEG files, this almost never happens with a Mac.
PCs need to be turned off, cooled (2 minutes) and re-started at least several times a day to avoid lock up and crashes.
This almost never happens with a MAC.
This is the Garbage Collection VS the Cleared Handle concept which Mac uses.
When you close a program or window in a MAC on pro software, they are supposed to, a protocal, clear the memory handle and free the system.
On a PC, clumps sit there and wait for the Windows Garbage Truck to come a long and free them up. Which is why Windows Crashes so much.
The PC, however, has more software availabel to it, sharing is easy, graphics files are interchangable. Software is far cheaper. There is more $50 software to be found.
Unless both the PC user and the MAC user understand GENERICALLY COMPATIBLE FILES, exchaning files can be a nightmare. Mac uses this thing called a Resources Fork that doesn't exist on a PC. Mac has it's own draw format,writing format, spreadsheet format. You have to understand INTERCHANGE formats such as converting to GIF, JEPG, TXT, XLS, HTML or other universal formats otherwise the files you send each other may not open.
I go through this all the time with Mac users trying to send me pictures, graphics, charts. First they compress them in MAC format I have to get a tool to uncompress them because my free WinZip doesn't always work. Then it's some Mac picture format I can't view in anything, not even Photoshop.
But my wife has edited over 1000 JPEGs over the past 3-4 days, and has not had to restart her computer once. The only time I ever have to restart my PC is when I do an update or an install that requires it and I do far more system intensive things than editing pictures. Either you have the wrong software or a horrible computer system.
Either that person has a horribly underpowered PC or does not know how to operate it properly. My Vista PC hardly ever locks up. Of course neither does my Apple. But they do both every six months or so will lock up and usually due to my own error. If you buy a PC I would recommend a good disk utility program. I have found that with both XP and Vista that cleaning and defragging your registry once a week makes start up, shut down, and overall operation much faster. Macheads will not want to here this but I also use MacTuneup once a week on my MacBook Pro as well and can tell a small difference in performance. I think that every person in this forum would agree that if you are going to buy a PC, then $1,000 should be a starting point. For a well equipped laptop I would think you would spend between $1,500 to $2,000.
I own both machines currently and have had expensive pc laptops also, and I am writing this on an intel based Macbook pro. My daughter has a macbook from 05' and has only had to replace a battery once and I'm sure that she doesn't take care of it that good. While with my pc laptop bought about the same time I have had to replace the battery twice and had it completely wiped out and gone through twice also, all the while running multiple kinds of security software. So here is my opinion.... with a pc you will need more technical support, they might be a little cheaper but when you compare apples to apples (no pun intended)
it seems to be easier keeping a mac going without needing technical support. For me day to day computing, web surfing, photos, video and everything except Quickbooks payroll its a Mac for me.
I personally Have never needed tech support. Google works wonders. I also build all of my machines anyway, so tech support for me would be calling each manufacturer. The one exception is my laptop, which I seriously doubt I will ever need tech support as it is so well built I have complete faith it will last me until I decide I need to get a new one. Sagernotebook.com Simply the best notebook manufacturer and the least known. I'm incredibly happy I stumbled upon them.
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