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Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox?
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by mindpower - 9/10/08 6:48 AM In reply to: No threat to FF on my machines by koolkrisGet a Mac, then you'll never again need to worry about that archaic idea of having C and D drives. 
Google OS: Chrome
by Smith_ers - 9/3/08 3:33 AM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterI have been using it now for about 2 days and must say that it doesn't really have a great deal going for it at the moment - ON THE FRONT END - I can't comment on the "stuff" it does with mem management or security etc etc as you can't touch it of course.
I do however have the following observations based on usage so far though:
The problem with chrome is that if you; as a user; are ready to adopt it this early then you are a probably a google services user and hence will require the integration that your normal browser has but with the lighter front end and security / memory management features of chrome.
The interface is only early Beta but I must ask - where is the space in that interface to add services such as: gmail manager, google notebook add-ons etc..there seems to be very little real-estate to build this extra functionality onto at the minute. Sure you could have 10 tabs open with these running as separate "apps" but that surely would invalidate the cleanliness of the GUI. You can also have this functionality with Prism from Mozilla!!
They may have improved the backend and security but that is a programmers POV / needs / desires - not a users per se.
- To take the status bar out was a bold choice but was it the right one?
- To have removable tabs is functionality built in is useful but is it going to prove to be integral to users in both long and short term?
- To give each application tab a full set of "tools" as integral but did it just not take up real estate that the status bar has been sacrificed for?
I personally think that there needs to be more front end introduced to realise this as a true competitor to FF or even Opera in the functionality stakes.
I could go on but in all fairness I genuinely welcome this addition into the browser market and am really starting to appreciate all the google services as they mature and their evolution well into the desktop / cloud operating environment but time will tell with this one.
A browser as an OS?
by Slikkster - 9/3/08 5:17 AM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterMy question is simple: How can an application that relies upon an actual operating system (e.g. MS Windows) to run claim to be an OS in and of itself?
When the day comes that you can boot to Chrome and use all Google apps offline, and install third party apps plus all the other features one would expect in a true OS, then I'll let it lay claim to that title. Otherwise, it's at best a subset of an OS.
Will stay with IE
by hfhlt004 - 9/8/08 12:38 AM In reply to: A browser as an OS? by SlikksterThough I try each browser that comes out, I always return to IE. How fast do you need to be?? It seems that everyone would eventually get browser fatigue.
I like a couple of things about it.
by isting - 9/3/08 7:46 AM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterI like the "Most visited" page layout. I also like the the "History" page.
Why Chrome will NEVER defeat Firefox
by zeryck - 9/3/08 8:50 AM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterChrome simply cannot defeat Firefox because of extensibility. I don't know how much Google will let users add on to Chrome. However, I can't imagine they would give the same kind of freedom. For example, the Adblock extension is in direct competition with Google's ad program. The fact is, with a browser tied to a corporation, there just isn't going to be the same kind of extensibility and innovation.
FIREFOX
by chiara embaum - 9/5/08 11:33 PM In reply to: Why Chrome will NEVER defeat Firefox by zeryckI have been using FF for a while now and am crazy about it. Just love the way it looks, the addons etc. The Speed Dial, Thumbnail, zoom, choice of themes, all of it Great.
I don't know anything about the Technical Stuff but I'm a sucker for anything that Looks Nice and FF certainly does the job.
Privacy Issues.
by Renegade Knight - 9/4/08 11:56 AM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterI don't trust anything from Google not to slurp up all my data and information and store it for their own use forever. The EULA for Chrome pretty well spells out that they can slurp up data transmitted via Chrome.
Google thinks...
by Nicholas Buenk - 9/4/08 7:08 PM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterThat they can take on IE better than mozilla can. Because regular people trust the google brand and haven't heard of mozilla. And they can put a link to it on google search the worlds most used web site.
Also note it's webkit based so it's using safari's engine. But rather than webkits JavaScriptCore they are using V8 a much faster javascript.
Well...
by Slikkster - 9/5/08 6:09 AM In reply to: Google thinks... by Nicholas BuenkIf it's "regular" people you're going to use as your model of a Google Chrome user, I'd say this: If they don't know about Firefox (and let's be clear, the name people DO know is Firefox, not the parent Mozilla), then they probably don't know why they would need or want a new browser. In other words, they already know what they use to get to Google.com; Internet Explorer.
"Regular" people as you define them are probably not that pc savvy to begin with. I think it would be very problematic for another company to convince them to change something, much less get them to actually know how to use it or even access it, for that matter.
So again, my take is that Chrome is going to appeal mostly to those who are ALREADY looking for or using a browser alternative, not moms and pops who are none the wiser.
Well...
by Nicholas Buenk - 9/5/08 11:10 AM In reply to: Well... by SlikksterGoogle is aiming at the people who are able to install and download a program but haven't bothered to install firefox. 
It's all about features
by zynixo - 9/5/08 9:29 PM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterI've spent about 2 hour exploring Chrome. No, there isn't that much to it, I was just making sure I didn't miss anything. As far as I can tell, Chrome is exactly what Google is making it out to be: a simplistic, powerful browser. All the pages I loaded look the same as in FF3. The bookmarks work well, and the new tab page is quite useful. The speed it loads pages at is very nice. Also, it has an "incognito" window you can load. It doesn't save anything to the hard drive. The cache is instantly cleared, cookies are repressed, but secure sites still load. I'll be the first to admit, as far as features go, it isn't anywhere near FF, but that's where the "simplistic" comes from. I personally plan to use them both, depending on my mood and purpose.
It's more than that....
by Nicholas Buenk - 9/6/08 7:48 AM In reply to: It's all about features by zynixoIt's rather revolutionary actually.
One process per tab, solves the problem of sites that crash and memory leaks. And those processes and sandboxed to prevent a security flaw from compromising you!
It's webkit based which is a smaller more efficient web rendering engine than gecko. But they used V8 for javascript, much faster it converts the script into machine code.
So it has powerful features, without a clutter of maybe useful for some people things. I think that's the right approach.
re Zinxo's reply
by Quiglyalso - 9/6/08 8:37 AM In reply to: It's all about features by zynixoHi, To some extent this mirrors my own thoughts. However Chrome has the potential to damage both IE and Firefox. Good luck D.D.
Firefox is better than Chrome.
by mrlightrail - 9/5/08 9:59 PM In reply to: Google's New "Chrome" browser will hurt...Firefox? by SlikksterI use IE, Firefox3, and just installed Chrome. Chrome seems to be slower in loading pages, I'll credit that to it being ver 1 beta. I am forced to stay with IE, because I can't watch Netflix streamed movies, or use Spiralfrog with Firefox. Stupid MS DRM issues. I use Firefox for 98 percent of all my browsing, and only problems I encounter with it is a lot of my favorite extentions will not run on this version, and the MS DRM issues.
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