Ok, This thread is not about sub $600 laptops. The Original poster claimed to have a budget of $1500. That easily will get you a good Windows based laptop or any of the Macbook line of Apple laptops(MacbookPro is a different line) . Apple does not make bargain PC's. Apple does not compete in that market, period. If you are looking for a sub $600 laptop then bypass Apple all together because they have nothing to offer you. That doesn't make apple suck it just means they only sell high end computers that compete part for part with higher end offerings from Dell, HP Sony etc. Many times when pricing an equivalent you will find Apple +- $100 of the competition. It is unfair to compare a sub $600 PC with the lowest end Apple laptop. Pardon the pun, but you need to compare apples to apples.
My point was exactly what you wrote in your post. You are buying old slow technology. You are buying a computer that has a very limited shelflife and no resale value. Sure it runs things but runs them slowly. If your time is valuable then that is a HUGE thing. Typically a High End Windows based PC or Apple product will retain value. Apple products in particular do very well in retaining value, simply check ebay or craigslist.
As far as software. I have yet to find a piece of software that does not have a mac equivelant. Maybe there is not as much choice but do I really need to choose between 40 different programs just to edit my MP3 tags? Now sure there are custom apps that companies or even friends have written that are windows only, in that case if you chose to go Mac you can always run windows on your mac. If you need to spend more then %50 of your time in windows then you shouldn't get a mac. Thats just common sense. But the majority of programs that average user needs are available in both platforms. I just dont see the "Software" issues valid anymore, maybe 10 years ago but not today.
I have been called an Apple fanboy on the thread and to that I say "sticks and stones". In every post I make it clear, Buy what is within your means. If $600 is your budget you can get a great Windows based laptop that will serve most of your needs. I don't own Apple stock or Apple laptop or even an iPod. I own, and use daily,a dell 9400 Laptop, its awesome and a workhorse. I have never declared my love for Apple or Steve Jobs. I have only pointed out misconceptions and misinformation that people have about Macs, especially the people that remember Mac from the old days. Most of the Apple haters have never even used a modern mac. I Absolutely agree, in the past software, price, support and proprietary hardware were all major issues with Macs. I, until recently, was a very vocal anti Mac person. Being in the computer field many come to me for purchasing advice and I used to steer them clear of Macs altogether. I purchased an iMac for the home in October of 07, It happens to be the best computer (in terms of stability and ease of use) that I have ever owned. If I come across fanboy its because using a stable, quality product has made me one.
Choosing between a Mac and a PC is so simple.
If I was you then I would buy a Mac.. The OS X is the best user friendly OS I have ever used.. any body can use it, its so simple, you don't even need a coaching...
I can tell you the advantage of a Mac over a PC ..
Let's say you want to delete a Application or a File,Folder from the computer Just drag it to Trash and its over.. When you buy a Mac you also get a PC (you can install Windows XP or Vista ) Its so simple... you can install MS office for Mac and the best part is that you can Live a VIRUS FREE life and if at all you face any kind of issues or if you have any confusion you just need to contact Apple and you will get the best Tech. support in the world... and one more thing the fastest Windows running machine is a Mac... and the OS X is so advanced and at the same time its the simplest to use..
Thank you.
Thanks for the honest opinion; of course I am biased as my computer experience matches yours. I started out with an Apple IIe and then moved on to early Macs. I am an engineer and had to abandon the Mac when the enterprise network took over business. But, when Apple started using Intel chips, I got back into Macs and I totally agree with your perspective. The modern Mac is extremely stable, relaible, easy to use and much more productive than any machine I have used. My personal iMac is loaded with programs, both technical and "artsy" and it runs as fast as when I first started it. Any Windows machine that I have used slows to a crawl after about 6 months of use and almost has to be re-built to recover its original performance. What is you time worth?
If your windows machine slows to a crawl in 6 months you need to learn to run a defrag and quit installing viruses.
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I use both a MacBook and a PC. They both have advantages. I think it is important to give objective information, and the fact is, that there are applications that do not work on the Mac and there is also the problem of Apple not supporting Internet Explorer. Fortunately, I have an old version of IE that I was able to install on my new MacBook, since I have to use certain web applications that do not run in any other browser. (Also, Safari has to be the worst browser out there... I use Firefox as my default, and I hate that my Mac opens links for mail in Safari.) As much as I love my Mac, the fact is that they are very expensive and considering the fact that laptops are easy to steal, I would agree that you can get more for your money with a PC. I certainly would not trade my MacBook for a PC, but then I have access to several of both at home and work, so I don't have to choose. Yes, Mac's are cooler, and the seamless integration of Apple software is a joy, but many users do not need to integrate iPhoto, Keynote, iMovie, and iTunes. Go for the PC.
There are far too many useful utilities and other programs that are only PC-compatible for Mac to be a logical course.
As well, Mac, even with it very nice OS, is a hideously expensive proposition. I just purchased a new and extremely high quality Toshiba laptop running XP Pro, not VISTA, for $699.99. It has a trubright screen, 2Gbs memory, 310 Gig Western Digital quick hard drive, an Intel duo core microprocessor running at 2.2 GHz, and on and on and on.
BTW, the university where I taught until quite recently made life hell for Mac users. There were too few Mac users of them for the faculty to hunt up new programs that already existed for PCs running Windows.
Tell us, what can you do in the way of buying any modern laptop from Apple for that amount of money?
O.K, I haven't ever bought a mac before for school(thesledman, just cool your guns, this isn't a death match) and the reason I haven't, is because 1. Macs are way too expensive, as was said before, you get the same stuff in a windows P.C. for about half the price, unless you want to do some graphics stuff 2. I also hate Vista, but I love ubuntu. I got a HP PC for about $1,300 a while ago, with great hardware specs, and it did come with vista, but i just installed ubuntu! ubuntu is way more stable than Vista, a little harder to understand sometimes, but you get the open source community support for free with it, and if you like how macs look, its easy to get ubuntu to look and feel just like a mac, and perform....like ubuntu, stable, easy to use, and just cool. and if you are worried about compatibility, like i was, don't be. i got Wine (a windows emulator) and virtualbox from sun, and virtualized an old copy of XP, so i got a cool mac-ish look, stable performance of a linux(and eye candy)and compatibilty of windows, for free (all of the software) and the laptop, a nice HP pavillion with an imprint finish, webcam, microphone, 17" screen, remote, 2GB RAM,384MB graphics card (intel)2.1 GHZ processor...you get the picture, for $1,300, you will get a mac with a tiny screen, no graphics, equivalent software (ubuntu, ubuntu software is free) no printer (Got an all-in one with mine, so subtract about $100) and the same hard drive, for $1,347. so, unless you want less features for more price, i suggest a PC. if you want a Mac look, and more reliability than windows, just put Ubuntu on, and in about 2-2.5 hours (install of apps and stuff included) you will have a Mac-looking, linux performing, and windows compatibility PC, for less money. and sub-$600 laptops are not trash, i have one that performs just fine, and i use it for light gaming, programming, and anything for school. personally, i (please don't overreact) wouldn't take the advice of thesledman, he isn't concerned about you and your budget, he is concerned about people getting more macs (major player in personal computer game? oh please, there really aren't good, mainstream, online games for mac, and you can play them on ubuntu anyway. )
I realize that you haven't used a mac before, so you haven't really done much with the interface, but that is what you are paying for with OSX. I've used linux in various different flavors and interfaces for years and always thought that the interface was fighting me. Either I have so much control that it wasn't at all intuitive or I had no control at all unless I started editing a text file. Don't get me wrong, I love dropping to a shell, but too many things even with later versions of Ubuntu are just too mangled and disjointed for the average user. I know that I can do it, but after having to explain how to do even simple things on computers to inexperienced friends, I've grown frustrated with it all. Sure you and I could figure out or research any problem we've had and figure out potential solutions, but mere mortals will be stumped.
So all this ends with, if someone is going to use *nix clone and not know much about it, I'd rather they just buy a Mac. If someone comes up with a *polished and complete* interface for Linux, then it can be treated as the second coming, otherwise, I can use Wine just as easily on a Mac via Darwine and virtualize my bootcamp copy of xp via VirtualBox same as you.
Oh and WoW isn't a mainstream online game?
No, World of Borecraft is not even a game, it is a glorified chatbox. It requires no skill, has no storyline, and is a relentless grind fest that is addicting only because it is so incredibly easy.
My company chose to purchase Dell notebooks with warranties. Than heaven they got the warranties. The service guy and I became friends. He was always replacing some cheap piece of hardware that failed.
I have never had any issues with any of the Macs in our family.
Inexpensive computers are inexpensive for a reason, cheap components.
Yes, if you buy a cheap Dell, you get what you pay for. Feel free to not buy from Dell, but do buy from one of dozens of other PC manufacturers that make superior machines, or even build one yourself.
Unlike Macintosh, there is more than one PC company, several with a much better build quality and far more customization options than Macintosh.
Comparing my machine to a Dell is akin to comparing a brand new Macbook pro to one of the Macs I used in school 15 years ago.
You are just so right about Dell, and it's not restricted to cheap Dell notebooks. Three years ago I bought a loaded XPS 400. It had RAID 1 with, of course, two hard drives. It had a DVD ROM and a DVD RW so that I could make exact copies of CDs for my backup. I'm a classical music fan with an excellent audio system and CDs backed up by first copying to the hard drive in a compressed form and then expanded to a CD-R sound radically worse than the direct copies. All four of those drives failed within six months. They replaced one hard drive and it failed. I said the h*** with their crap and installed my own hard drives and DVD drives. I couldn't handle RAID so I just have two hard drives. I back to external hard drives. Bliss!
Then the floppy drive crapped out and I replaced that. Cheap Dells, expensive Dells, as far as I'm concerned they're all junk. In addition, their support staff are outsourced and if you're a private customer instead of a business you are BSed forever and that's assuming that you can even understand the pseudo-English of their staff. I'm not unhappy to have violated my warranty conditions. The warranty was worthless. IMHO so is Dell. They coast on their once great reputation.
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By "cheap Dells" I was most definitely not referring to the price. I was referring to the cheap build quality and the cheap parts used in even their most expensive models, from the XPS to the Alienware models. Dell is far worse than Mac. However, again the great thing about buying PCs is you don't have to buy a Dell. Unlike with Macs, Dell is not anywhere near the entire PC lineup.
I wish I had more time to respond to your post but I have to give a quick response.. YOU ARE MUCH TOO OUTDATED with your responses to give a credible advice to this young woman. If your advice is based on your experience form many years ago.. why are you posting?
Almost NOTHING you said is correct!!
APPLE COMPUTERS ARE NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS YOU HAVE STATED.. JUST take the time and look at the prices..
You can run WINDOWS AND Mac OS on a Mac. MOST laptops on College campuses are Macs.. SO IT GOES TO SAY THE IT DEPT. have made that transition>>>> WOULDN'T YOU THINK??????!!!!!!
To say that if ARE NOT into graphics that the Mac IS NOT FOR YOU.. is just PLAIN DUMB!!!
Your post is SO OFF THE MARK....
I SERIOUS DOUBT IF YOU EVER OWNED AN Mac.
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