Community Newsletter: Q&A: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch?
- 9/25/08 1:01 PM
Vista does work -- Specific response to mrmaxx712
by FHankfreeman - 9/13/08 8:36 AM In reply to: re: Windows Vista SP1 by mrmaxx712There are several folks who have issues with Vista that is TRUE.. However Vista, has worked for me for quite some time. I am currently funning Vista business with SP1 and Office 2007 as my core programs. I use other applications and they are all working quite well.
I value your opinion and I also value your input, sooo I hop you vale the fact that I have a HP Ze5468CL notebook, that was never suppose to run Vista and it works quite well. The only things I have changed is the Memory (Added More) and the HD were I went froma 60 gigs at 5400 rpm to 100 gig at 7200 rpm. Both seems to make this Pentium 4, 2.6 ghz notebook run quite well. It being now over 4 years old, I am quite pleased with the results.
Recently, I had a problem with SP1 Beta, but I successfully backed up everything I needed and I mean everything and then reloaded the system. I was OK with that because I had tested alot of applications on the Vista Notebook as part of my work and I need to re-install to solve some lingering registry issues. However, the biggest reason I had to reload was not only a Fubar by MS, but my system was compromised by ADWARE during the time to fix the SP1 beta issue..
You will find all this in a thread in the subject blog about a month ago.
The fact that you are and have had problem with Vista are quite interesting and I would happpy to help you, but that is your choice.
FHankFreeman
Sr. Data / Systems Architect
hfreeman@msn.com.
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good luck
by puma - 9/14/08 8:19 AM In reply to: re: Windows Vista SP1 by mrmaxx712mrmaxx,
i dumped vista and upgraded back down to xp... i'll wait for a few years for win7 to become a reality and hopefully it will be unix based and perform close to other Unix/Linux/OSX operating systems...
Puma Your anti Vista comments are NOW Irrelevant
by FHankfreeman - 9/14/08 6:34 PM In reply to: good luck by pumaPuma,
Let me make this personal. If you are not running Vista and don't want to, then your dog is not is this fight and I suggest that you take you comments and time and use them on the XP thread that needs your input.
You are only causing discourse and not contributing to those who need and want some assistance with Vista. I have said it before and I will say it again to you and to others who are not part of the solution.
You are becoming tiresome and irrelevant. My suggestion to those on this thread is to ignore you now and tomorrow.
Some of us have real issues with Vista and some of these issues need to be properly scoped out and then reported to Microsoft. Maybe just maybe a solid bug will generate a solid solution. It has for me in the past.
Currently, I have an issue with Vista that is beyond comprehension on the part of Microsoft, but since your dog is not in this fight, I really do not want your assistance or comments unless you do get back into Vista.
FHankFreeman
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by puma - 9/14/08 6:53 PM In reply to: Puma Your anti Vista comments are NOW Irrelevant by FHankfreemani've tried vista then sp1, over, and over, and over again - it's disastrous, it does not work as advertised. there are so many issues with vista that it is way beyond microsoft's comprehension, it's so pathetic... fhankfreeman, i honestly can not recommend sp1 for anyone, sorry but take it from a straight talker, sometimes you just need to give up on it and move on to something else. just my two cents...
FOR BLUSTO FROM MARY
by Harlans daughter - 9/18/08 11:38 AM In reply to: Installing Windows Service Packs by waytronBlusto... you seem to be more organized than I... you said you had copied and pasted all the information you deemed important, than went through the numerous pages and put everything into the order it was needed for you to download SP1. I have not gotten that far, and I had posted earlier that I would list what I had done to be able to download successfully...I'm still working on the list. Since you have just very recently successfully downloaded SP1 and you hopefully have your list available, may I suggest that you type up your list in the order you proceeded with and then post it here to the forum. That will enable those who have not yet downloaded SP1 to have your list for themselves... it also may make some of the negative posters try your way, and possibly they maybe able to download correctly.
I think this would be of tremendous help to everyone. Still so very happy for you!!! Best regards, Mary
It was a disaster for me.
by tgalusha - 8/22/08 6:49 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
After downloading it about two weeks ago, my printer no longer worked. I uninstalled all software successfully but am now unable to re-install it.I get a "fatal error" message. I'm considering uninstalling SP1, and hope that solves my problem.
cleaning up the disaster
by puma - 9/14/08 8:09 AM In reply to: It was a disaster for me. by tgalushaif your considering unistalling vista sp1, consider wiping the hard drive and upgrading back down to XP. it will be easier and you'll be able to sleep knowing that XP works. after all your computer is a tool and it should work for you, not you work for your computer... happy computing!
REPLY TO PUMA AND GOING BACK TO XP FROM GEO
by GEO2003 - 9/14/08 11:58 PM In reply to: cleaning up the disaster by pumaHey Puma,
You really get your kicks in confusing people here don't you.
Listen, if you don't like Vista, then How come you are suggesting XP, is a Microsoft product anyway.
So things went bad for you with Vista based on all your negative comments.
I like to to meet you in person just to show you how good Vista works.
If you like XP, you still advertising MS products anyway so you loose either way.
I know that we are not rich and all, but maybe if you behave we can start a contribution to get you a pc running Vista if you start behaving, and set it up properly the way you were not able to do.
How about that, will that shot you up already with the negative comments?
Just curious bod, are you running a really old pc, and that's why you like XP, and not Vista.
Or am I mistaken in your proposal of downgrading to XP as you liking any microsoft products?
You like Star Wars - Feel the Force Puma, is in you.
LOL.
GEO
not all microsoft products are bad
by puma - 9/15/08 6:41 AM In reply to: REPLY TO PUMA AND GOING BACK TO XP FROM GEO by GEO2003Geo,
are all comments that you disagree with considered negative? - LOL
just so you know, not all microsoft products are bad. xp has been around for a long time, it is mature and robust and for the most part, pretty stable - simply it works! i am for xp until vista works or until win7 reaches the market and works. the key to being productive is not having a machine that constantly needs to be tended too. most corporations even strip vista from new systems because as of right now, it's not ready. down ntime means loss of money...
From GEO to PUMA MS Products
by GEO2003 - 9/15/08 12:44 PM In reply to: not all microsoft products are bad by pumaOK, I agree with you a product should not create loss of money.
But you said it yourself, XP has been around for many years, so over the years they have improve secutity, reliability and performance and compatability. Correct ?
I am not here do defend MS, please note that, I am here to chat with you.
Are you a programer, do you understand code, do you understand the Kernel?
We can say, that one the biggest money making applications has been windows XP, Home and Pro, and 2000 for Corp. use up to this day.
But the first kernel was not as good, sp1 patch many issues and sp2 made it what it is today.
So we have to put ourselves in the Possition were we try to undertand the complexity of an operating system that serves the different usage for regular users, corporations, and the huge quantity of hardare and drivers components.
Because MS made it so well instead of IBM AND APPLE was what has created the pc revolution.
If you think about the above needs and criteria that MS had to fullfil THEN you should understant that your statement " the key to being productive is not having a machine that constantly needs to be tended too " IS WRONG.
I agree with you that we all want a friendly, easy to tend pc, but this is not a perfect world and neither are the people who profram the platforms, they are not perfect.
IBM lost the race because they wanted to restrict the code to only their machines, this did not serve the public interest, regular or corporate. And even in the days of Dos, the machines still needed tendng to except it was less complex because the hardware was not so complex as it is today.
APPLE lost the race, because they too wanted and maintain the restrictive hardware possition for many years, WHY? BECAUSE THEY NEW HOW COMPLEX AND TIME CONSUMING IT WOULD BE TOO SUPPORT THE MIRIAD OF HARDWARE AND APPLICATION PROGRAMIN INTERFACES.
APPLE recently began using Intel Processors, they did this because their machine were to expensive and never came to be on par with Intel platforms.
So, they wrote OS X which runs great just like Vista but still X being restrictive to certain applications, again Why, because they know the complexity of supporting so many will break the kernel.
Their OS is on its own, not safe as some Apple supporters make out to be, Apple has patched their software because or security or breaks something with some applications.
MS fill this Gap and succeded.
How About Linux Distros, Don't they need maintanance, right now the quantity of applications out there is not even 1 percent of the one's microsoft has to support.
In Ten years or so, when Linux Decides to Settle on one Distro, and in the meantime, gain market share, and more applications are created for it, you will begin to see that Open Source is also prone to crashes and incomparabilities, hence maintanance.
Hence MS OS'S are more on the limelight because, many applications crash it.
Did you remember the Story where MS was opposing opening up the Vista Kernel, to many vendors including Antivirus Vendors?
The Antivirus companies complaint that they need access to the kernel to provide customers with protection, MS possition, was that they would work with them to find a solution.
This companies did not accept this, as a result of the multitude of pc's running MS OS'S, and to maintain a good relationship with vendor's and consumers, microsoft gave in.
What happen, as an example, the new Version of AVG 8.0 Crashed Vista, Norton, slows down the pc's to a croll, until more recent versions.
AVG has to come up with patches, who's faul is this, the application vendors not MS.
Apple came out with Itunes 7, what happen they crash Vista, who did they blame MS OF COURSE, What did Apple do Created a patch to fix the problem.
The bottom line is that we are not at the point were a pc can be self sustain, if you will.
But MS has made it possible for us to even be here, not to mentioned the other great contributions such as the Internet.
Back to Vista, does it need maintaining, yes, why too many complexities and variations of code.
Is it better then others, people's preferences, does it run stable, yes until you start introducing miriad of complex code.
How is MS trying to avoid headaches for all us, maintaining driver certification with vendors.
Do Vendors like this? no.
What do we get Spaggety Code.
Not a perfect world no matter what companies perspective you take.
Yes you are entitle to your opinion, and no I don't take other people's openion personally just because they disagree with mine.
You just appear to be enraged because something went wrong for you.
You are not the only one, it has gone wrong for me too, but because of other applications.
If you are a perfectionist in your daily life, I can and will accept your opinion.
If something went wrong, and you don't want to see the complexity of the issues at hand, then you are being narrow minded and won't take your side, if you care or don't, i understand that too.
That's is it.
Have fun with XP, and I hope that if you sincerely want to help, you try and figure out from your experience on what went wrong with you and vista, to try and convey your advise in a way that is constructive.
You can just say, go back to XP.
Constructive criticizim or good advise is somewhere in this lines.
You know I had a lot of problems with Vista, and in your case you mentioned such and such application does not work properly.
Try to do this, which I tried, It didn't work for me but it may work for you.
By the way, here are other suggestions as to what may work for you.
In the end, I prefered to go back to XP but you don't have to follow the same route, good luck and I hope you solve your problems.
I am not putting words in your mouth, I am just asking you to be constructive.
Thanks for listening and sorry for the spelling.
And no, I am not trying to Convert you to Vista.
Geo
YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS ON WHAT TO DO
by mkrock - 9/14/08 11:35 PM In reply to: It was a disaster for me. by tgalushaDon't uninstall the SP1 patch... it would make for sense to uninstall your printer software and then reinstall your printer software.
THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
I have it on 4 of my Vista Computers.
by bigbear639 - 8/22/08 6:56 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I have not had one single problem with the SP1. One Desktop and 3 Notebooks. I have a lot more problem with Windows XP IE7.
Vista Haters
by dan2600 - 8/22/08 7:01 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
if you don't enjoy a 30% speed increase, a 3 minute to 30 second boot time, and a 10 minute to 1-5minute shut down time, as well as stability, by all means DON"T GET SERVICE PACK 1.
yes, that's sarcasm. Vista SP1 is what vista should have been, if you have noticed, now that everything that has been released as of a few months ago INCLUDES Service pack 1. I am a PC tech, and the problem with Cnet is most people here are know-it-alls that have no clue what they are talking about. Every single client that i have (10-20 a day) that doesn't have SP1 yet (3 a day lately, roughly) I put service pack 1 on, never have I had a problem, and the client and I notice TREMENDOUS performance increases INSTANTLY.
Can SP1 crash you system? YES if it is in a unstable state already it might make it worse. But if your system is in such a state, you should have restored it yesterday. Back up your files install service pack 1 and use Vista the way it was meant to be used.
WROFL !!!
by _Aquarelle_ - 8/22/08 7:55 PM In reply to: Vista Haters by dan2600I repeat; wildly rolling on the floor laughing !!! Ask the U.S. governemt what THEY think of Vista...
gov't knows better
by puma - 9/15/08 12:26 PM In reply to: WROFL !!! by _Aquarelle_i think even our local, state, and federal governments are smart enough to stay away from vista, after all there would be total chaos if gov't stopped all together.
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