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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch?
- 9/25/08 1:01 PM
REPLY TO BELZAROLI - H - M -R LOOK AT THIS
by GEO2003 - 9/21/08 10:35 PM In reply to: Hey, QuickRick is RIGHT ON! by belzaroliBelzaroli,
You should read your own statement very clearly.
QUOTE.
I am so frustrated with Vista, but I don't have the time to search forever for XP drivers that HP will not provide for a machine they sell as a Vista machine.
END QUOTE.
IF HP FAILED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A PROPERLY WORKING VISTA LAPTOP, THEN IT IS HP'S FAULT, NOT VISTA OR MICROSOFT.
HP SOLD IT TO YOU AS A VISTA MACHINE, HOW IN THE WORLD IS THE OS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT WORKING ON A LAPTOP THAT WAS DESIGN, IN TERMS OF HARDWARE AND DRIVERS - BY HP.
You also stated that applications you really need for school do not work QUOTE - AS WELL - AS THEY DID ON XP.
Vista is a New Operating system, Microsoft does not program for those applications you need, is the vendor of the application that should have made a Updrade Available to you so that the application works with the new API'S.
My Vista laptop was crashed by Partition Commander, which I obtained an upgrade to the Vista Version for $10.00 that's what AVANQUEST charged me.
But the application screw up the Boot Sector and I had to re-installed Vista.
This was not Vista's fault, A hard drive Partition application should be very carefully programed since it has access to the Kernel and the hard drive boot sector.
Solution, I lost 10 dollars, it broke my Vista installation, therfore I don't use it, recommended, nor will I buy from them again.
Did your application Vendor updated their program?
Retorical Question.
I don't need to know.
The bottom line is that Microsoft does not controlled what vendor's do to program for a operating system.
In addition, MS does go to the extend of implementing a way for programers to submit their drivers for review and certification.
Why? because they know how mal-programmed drivers can make the operating system unstable.
The result an unhappy camper like you.
I am sorry that you are not enjoying the good things about Vista.
Do you have a test machine.
Run Vista in it, with only MS applications, and you will see the stability.
But this is not real life correct ?
So a lot of responsibility falls on the hands of third party applications.
Send me your laptop, I'll take it off your hands.
Even the name HP Pavillion DV2660se ( I wonder what the s.e. stands for ) Sub-Par Equipment ? just kidding with you.
Geo
QuickRick is wrong
by Harlans daughter - 9/21/08 11:15 PM In reply to: Hey, QuickRick is RIGHT ON! by belzaroliDid you do this?
1. Uninstall your prized three programs
2. Install the SP1 download
3. Reinstall your three programs
The order of your installation could be your problem.
reverting to an older operating system can cause problems
by Madison - 8/24/08 12:55 PM In reply to: Dilemma by quickrickIf your computer came with Vista installed it also came with the drivers needed for all the components in your computer. If you revert to an older OS you may have hunt down drivers for those components. Also you could find that some of your current software relies on Vista and will not work on an older OS or that something you will want to run in the future requires Vista. Much as I liked Win XP I would not go backwards while all new software is being developed for Vista.
Don't do it Mary!!
by cle0 - 8/25/08 4:32 AM In reply to: Dilemma by quickrickI am what Dilemma posted as a 'power user' and I have installed AND swiftly uninstalled Vista SP1 twice. I SOOOOOOO regret ever having bought a PC (made to order) with Vista in the first place - I was ill advised. I bought a replacement for an iMac and insisted it was XP.
Vista has cost me as a small business huge heartache, time and lost business - I produce videos, websites, multi media presentations and EVERY single piece of software i owned and used on a regular basis had to be upgraded(cost $1200 ++) or abandoned as it didn't work with Vista.
I resisted and resisted the SP1 update for obvious reasons - I could not afford more downtime and was scared (with good reason as it turned out)that I would have more problems after the update than before 9and there were enough before to last me a lifetime !
My Computer supplier encouraged me to do the update ! What a joke!! I have uninstalled it twice and so it shall remain - UNINSTALLED. At least until I read enough evidence to tell me it is safe to use it again.
I am not allowed to use profanity but I have to say that Microsoft has a great deal to answer for in terms of upsetting my business life, and my ability to operate as a successful small business
So, Mary, DON'T DO IT!
Hank Freeman Respons to Cleo on Vista
by FHankfreeman - 8/27/08 5:36 PM In reply to: Don't do it Mary!! by cle0Cleo, you have had some severe issue as your post state.
If you have the Vista system and need assistance I will be happy to provide it... If other Pro Vista user of this board want to assist, I will join them in getting you straight.
So before you throw out the baby with the bath water, let us talk seriously about your issues and then your expectation and see if after those facts are place on the table what can be done...
The going rate for my services is Home made choclate chip cookies, so if we get them done, you can contract with Mary to get them made and shipped to me...
Looking forward to your response.
Hank Freeman
hfreeman@msnc.oom
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CLEO AND FHANKFREEMAN
by mkrock - 8/28/08 6:17 PM In reply to: Hank Freeman Respons to Cleo on Vista by FHankfreemanCleo...beware...FHankfreeman gives excellent advice, and before you know it you'll be addicted to him and you'll owe him a ton of chocolate chip cookies as I do.
I would highly recommend any advice he gives you.
Mary
specific examples needed
by Pepe7 - 8/27/08 11:24 AM In reply to: Dilemma by quickrickWhat are these so called (in your eyes) 'power users' doing exactly? Give some examples of specific software or processes that they are running compared to the rest of us (LOL). Unless you give examples, you draw a crappy conclusion.
-Pedro
It worked wonderful for me.
by Wings42 - 8/15/08 9:08 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
My low end lenovo was sluggish running Vista Home Premium, even with 2g of RAM, the maximum it will take. It was sluggish to the point of me considering either selling it and buying a more capable PC, finding a copy of Windows XP to run on it, or switching to Linux.
SP1 pretty much solved the sluggishness, except for the machine still taking a long time to shut down. Everything just works better, smoother, and slicker. There were no compatibility or upgrade issues.
That being said, be sure you back up everything your backup software will allow before upgrading, and be sure you have a boot disk to allow you to bring the computer come up if there's an issue with the boot sector of your hard drive.
I remember that Windows XP had many issues at first, including a way too frequent occurance of the dreaded "blue screen of death".
Wing42 is Correct !
by FHankfreeman - 8/27/08 2:00 PM In reply to: It worked wonderful for me. by Wings42Wing42 has correctly stated the history of xp...LET US NOT Forget.
As for Vista SP1, I had a talk with my son Justin today about all of this, he being a resident engineer at Georgia Tech. We both agreed that the best way to improve performance when installin Vista SP1 is to do it from a clean OS install. Meaning Load Vista OS then apply SP1.
If you have Vista DVD with SP1, then use that....
If you are an XP user going to Vista, get ALL the Driver for all you inboard hardware. NO EXCEPTION HERE. Lastly, never update an XP system or re-install VISTA on a system with another system right next to in connected to the internet, so as to find the drives that you forgot and can port by a thumb drive to the Vista system..
FHankFreeman
Hfreeman@msn.com
UPGRADING TO VISTA SP1 BRINGS BETTER SECURITY
by GEO2003 - 8/15/08 9:54 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
What should you do:
1- Your HP comes equiped with a utility for checking system status and application updates. I know this for a fact because I helped my syster buy a HP system in Dec. 07.
2- Some HP's come with Audio Drivers from Realteck and could cause a problem with the SP1 update.
Her machine is set to download updates automatically from Windows Update, but the SP1 had not been downloaded to her machine as of July.
I was also concern that the Realteck drivers had something to do with it, so I kept waiting for it to be fix by the HP utility.
One afternoon I set out to check for any updates with the HP utility and there was non, so I initiated a Windows Update Scan manually and sure enough the SP1 Patch was listed.
I proceded to update her machine and everything went well.
But again I can't stress enough that you should check with the utility or HP website for driver updates for your machine before you procede with anything else.
3- It is a good idea aside from what you have read or heard to upgrade to SP1 since it brings better performance, security and compatabilities with older applications. It also speads up the boot up process.
You didn't give details of your pc, so for the purpose of this information, I am going under the assumption that you have a machine with a dual core cpu and at least 2GB of ram. Your video Card should have at least 128MB of Memory.
4- HP's come loaded with application that launch at windows start up, I noticed this on my syster's machine and decided to disable some of them that are useless.
5- Before you upgrade to SP1, download Rivo Uninstaller from Cnet Downloads, it is free and it is a very useful application, the latest ver. is 7.0.
Launch it and the default view is the applications installed on your computer, at the top you will see bottons such as Tools, click on it and the first choice on the left pane will be Windows Starup.
When you click on this you should be able to see all the applications that you are currently loading with the operating system.
Highlight one of them and right click on it, this gives you several choices on how to lookup the application online and give you an idea if you need it or not. Deselecting the box will keep this application from loading the next time you start windows, but you will still be able to launch it from the start up menu or shorcut on your desktop or simply use Revo and check the box for the appliation you deselected before, it that simple. This is necessary because many people complain about how slow vista is but in reality HP tends to allow a lot of applications to load on starup instead of letting the user decide.
Read about revo, I highly recomend this utility when uninstalling applications from your computer it does a great job at freen up space and unstalling a lot of entries in the windows register that the original application does not uninstall on its own.
If you are asking yourself why I am going into the above topic, is because it helps clean your machine, as the register becomes bloated with entries left on your machine, your machine begins to slow down.
Although, Revo Is not necessarily a Register Cleaner, it is great an tracking down entries that other appliations leave behind.
For a Good Register Clenaner you can download CCleaner from Cnet also read about it and it will help you keep up with the maintanance of yor pc.
6- Your HP computer has a hiden partion, this partion contains all the applications and the operating system as when it was brand new.
This hidden partion although visible to vista is not touch by the updrade to SP1, hence you should not be concern about upgrading and not being able to restore it to the previous state. Do not use Restore points created by vista or any other program if you want to reverst to pre SP1. You would have to restart the computer and when the first HP bootscreen appears you should be able to see an F12 or other F follow by a number corresponding to the action you want to take, for example F12 will cause the boot procees to go into the restore mode, the machine will then be re-store to its previous steps from the hidden partion, of course you have to follow the instructions presented to you on the screen.
I WORD OF CAUTION. DO THIS STEP BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.
Your HP computer has a utility to create a copy of the hidden partion onto DVD's. Go into the HP utility forlder there should be an application with the name similar to Create Restore Disk.
You are only allowed to do this once.
Buy DVD + R Media and buy more then 3, my syster's pc took only three disks but in the process it fail one, the application is smart enough to know that the last copy was not finished and it will start where it left off, which is the reason why you need more then 3 disk even if the applications tells you that you only need 3.
ALSO, very important, when you create this disk make sure you turn off suspend mode or the screan saver, this would absolutely cause the copy of the hidden partion to fail and you could end up with the appliation being confused and telling you that you already made a copy of the operating system. Even if this happens, not really a worry since HP allows you to buy the Operating System Restore Disk from their webiste for about $19.00 depending on your machine.
to turn off screen saver - Right click on the desktop select Personalize, select Screan Saver and set the box to none.
to turn off your suspend/sleep mode, - Click on start, Control Panel on the right pane, For Laptops the Battery setting is under Mobile Pc
click on Change battery settings, click the change plan setting, I am assuming you are connected to a external power, set the timings for 5 hours or more for both the screan and the sleep time, click save changes and then close all open windows.
You can restore this changes later to their defaul using the same procedure.
WHILE SP1 does not touch the hidden partion you could get a virus that may replicate onto the hidden partion and destroy your operating system copy, this is why is essential to make a copy of the hidden partion as soon as you get your machine.
REMEBER, these disks, will contain only what the machine came with, so if you added programs, files, photos, music videos etc. you must back this first since restoring the pc will not restore any of these files.
Explore your pc or laptop and have fun.
Don't be a fool by not installing SP1 for Vista!
by sclaflin - 8/15/08 10:42 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
If you want your Vista machine running securely and seamlessly, Service Pack 1 is a REQUIREMENT!!!! For one, the manufacture of your OS strongly recommends it and for good reason! Service Pack 1 includes all the latest drivers, security patches, hotfixes, and updates that just plain make your computer run faster. All new versions of Vista shipped today include SP1. And mabye the most important reason of all: Microsoft Update won't let you install certain future updates WITHOUT SP1 installed. So don't be foolish and install SP1!!!!!
Not a Vista user, but hope this helps
by postyr - 8/15/08 10:54 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Hello Mary,
I have not installed Vista at this stage, as I am quite happy with XP Pro, so I may not be completely clear or correct with my reply.
I am certainly no expert, but I am sure you would not have any problems with installing SP1.
Your system obviously is already Vista compatable (HP Pavillion can come with varied hadrware), so the update should be no problems.
If, on the other hand, problems do occur, you do not need to do a System Restore.
To uninstall a service pack, simply go to your Control Panel\Add Remove Programs.
In the resulting list, there should be a listing of the service pack. For example, with my service pack 3 of Windows XP, it appears as "Windows Xp Service Pack 3"
Click the "Remove" button, and all should be back to normal.
Hope I have been of some help.
Oh, by the way. I stated earlier that I was no expert.
Well, I have decided that I am.
EX as in a has been, and a SPURT as a drip under pressure.
Regards,
Terry
Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 Installation
by rHeNn jOhN - 8/15/08 11:27 PM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Hehehe, We're the same, I can't download the SP1 cause my system has some corrupted file. But anyway your not a fool if you didn't and don't want to install it. If there's nothing wrong with your PC and you think it run smoothly,then you're all good and everythings gonna be fine. I think your WINDOWS UPDATE should have install it to your PC back in May(if you have scheduled installation/download)so you won't be downloading it from microsoft(which was more or less 400MB from them)and before you download and install it, be sure to backup your system so that if your PC failed to install it,then you can restore it if in case some files became corrupted(like mine,but never fixed ^_^).If you have a reinstallation disk(which i think will delete everything and restore every files/setting of your computer into factory settings)and don't wanna bothered backing up or creating a restore point its up to you.
GOOD LUCK
**RJCAMUS**
even though i hate vista here goes
by stuart.rockett - 8/16/08 1:08 AM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Even though I hate vista here goes, service pack 1 does improve a lot of vistas bugs but not all of them. I too run it on my hp pavilion laptop. The mic still has issues that I can not get to the bottem of, but yes sp1 does make it more stable. If you dont get on with it you can just go to the add and remove section within vista and remove microsoft sp1. Its easy. With your concerns of if your laptop spec is up to it, I trust you are running vista already, so you should have no problems with instaulling SP1. However vista is memory hungry, so it needs atleast 1Mb of ram to run correctly, even though some PC manufacturers instaull it on PCs with only 512MB of ram. They seem to do this and get away with it and people just accept that their computer is slow! If this is the case in with you I would recomend removing the small cover on the back of your laptop, and upgrading your ram to the max that your laptop will take. (Check what the Max Ram capability is on the HP website under the Specifications section for your model number.) I have the max in mine and it now flys. Ram is so cheap now, its crazy not to upgrade it. Try sites like Play.com for cheap ram. I hope this answers your question.
regards
Stuy
go ahead
by michaelthegeek - 8/16/08 1:12 AM In reply to: Should I download Windows Vista SP1 patch? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
i never really payed attention so go ahead i tried it with and without no difference really don't worry about it i would just download it oh and make sure you get this so protect your computer for life!!
(http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10320142.html?tag=contentBody;mostPopTwoColWrap&cdlPid=10861654) that is the free version or get a trial here: http://www.grisoft.com/ww.download-trial i recommend buying it when finished or you can get free if your not sure compare the difference between both versions here: http://free.avg.com
also tip use yahoo.com/answers to ask questions you will get better help there believe me i asked a question in 30 sec had 20 answers all good try it!! (http://answers.yahoo.com) hope this helped,
michaelthegeek
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