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Camcorders: Are there any 1080p camcorders out now?
and yes... I know my camcorders
by boya84 - 7/6/08 7:19 PM In reply to: No argument... the issue I see is by boya84do only 1080i.
Good points
by michaelspire1 - 7/7/08 10:01 AM In reply to: No argument... the issue I see is by boya84I hear where you are coming from. I think, people who are looking to buy an HD camcorder need to be very specific about the uses they are having for it. Based on intended purpose
For me the reason I chose the Sanyo HD1010 over the HV20 is the following:
1) I will mostly be doing video for the web.
2) I own a 50" Plasma 1080p monitor
3) I was also in the market for a compact digital camera
4) I wanted something portable.
5) I wanted something with at least 10X optical zoom in digital camera or camcorder
So for me, this is a nice marriage between a compact digital camera and something I can take movies to film on my 50" big screen
If I was going to do something more professional, like film weddings or something, I would probably get a larger size camcorder, but because I'm looking for something compact, that can replace a digital camera, I chose this.
There is also a microphone input to improve sound quality.
So for these reasons, I think I made a good choice. Plus I looked at sample video and I was impressed with the quality/price ratio, considering hv20 is $500 more. Plus I think miniDV and all linear media is on its way out.
awesome!
by boya84 - 7/7/08 10:36 AM In reply to: Good points by michaelspire1I do have a couple of questions that get asked a lot here, I am interested to further my understanding...
so... (1) you shoot the video, then, (2) you transfer from your camcorder to your computer over USB...
--> When the video is brought into the video editor on your computer, does the editor deal with AVCHD natively or does it need to decompress it first?
--> When the sequence is long - say... 45 minutes - is that a single big file or are multiple files created?
--> Do you make a copy of the original data files first (before you start editing) or just leave the files on the camcorder memory card until the editing is done?
--> Do you ever archive the original data files (even the stuff that got edited out of the project for whatever reason)? What do you use for that archiving?
--> What do you edit the 24p video with? Do you ever render out to a DVD (single layer, double layer, BluRay)? What DVD authoring tool(s) do you use? Which optical disc burner do you use?
--> When you are done with the editing, what file types or media storage formats do you use?
--> When do you decide that the files can be deleted from the camcorder and the computer?
--> Is your HDTV connected to a media center server/computer capable of dealing with 24p high definition or do you use something like an AppleTV "appliance"?
--> Are you in an IP TV environment and your HDTV has web access? Just curious because you mentioned you shoot for the web - but you also indicated the HDTV item - or is this HDTV viewing unedited video only with direct camcorder connection?
Thanks!
I think we are back to Sanyo marketing.
by Kiddpeat - 7/7/08 10:37 AM In reply to: Good points by michaelspire1I have difficulty bridging the gap between;
video for the web
and
a 50" Plasma 1080p monitor
The Sanyo might look OK on the web. It definitely would not look very good on a 50" Plasma 1080p monitor.
HD1010 Question
by Luuvi - 9/2/08 1:13 PM In reply to: Good points by michaelspire1I need a new camera case for HD1010, any suggestions?
No, I think that you are missing the point.
by Kiddpeat - 7/7/08 6:35 AM In reply to: you are missing the entire point by michaelspire1Pros DO USE the HV20, and they have a high regard for the video that it produces. It is with this fact in mind that I said that the same pros will not be switching to this Sanyo. Why? The HV20 produces a much higher quality of 1080p output.
However, if what you want is the video made while a camera drops off a skyscraper to its destruction, then I can see why you might use a cheaper camera. However, I'm not sure why you are pushing Sanyo if the same product is available for $150 from Aiptek.
Price Drop on VPC-HD1010
by vidal_mejias - 8/4/08 11:02 PM In reply to: hv20 1080 24p vs hd1010 1080p 30fps by michaelspire1Price is now around $600.
http://www.warehouse123.com/ProductInfo.php?pid=SANVPCHD1010-BLK
Definitely, maybe worth picking p. I haven been using couple Sanyo Video cam. They may not have the best video quality but definitely like the design, the weight and easy to use control.
forum didn't allow reply do to depth, so moving my response
by michaelspire1 - 7/7/08 12:20 PM In reply to: Are there any 1080p camcorders out now? by maxpowers_37Hi,
To answer your questions:
1) HD1010 "Clips can be cut in user-selected points and spliced, all from the camera itself. Unwanted images can be easily deleted, freeing up memory card capacity." So you can do some basic editing from the camera itself, which is good enough for me. Also "ulead videostudio and vegas" has native support to edit the footage from HD1000/HD1010 from a forum post I read here: http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=581067&forum_id=27
Sony Vegas has a free trial
2)Yes, 45 minutes would be a single file, in fact it support up to whatever card you use as one file.
3)I would copy the footage from the camera to my HD, which is RAID10, so it is striped/mirrored backup storage of 1tb. Alternatively, you can hook an external HD direct to the HD1000/HD1010
4)see above for how I archive
5)I wouldn't render to DVD because it reduces resolution. I would copy the mp4 to DVD and play the mp4 in my PS3 or play direct from the HD1000/HD1010
6) it is 30p not 24p, and I dont have a blue ray burner yet, so I would burn the files direct to a DVD media as mp4
7) I would archive the video as mp4
8) I would delete it from the card to save space, and delete the original footage if I dont want it or need space, or I would copy to an external HD
9) No apple appliance or anything like that, although I do have a PS3 and it does stream video over WIFI happily, or it can play direct from the DVD, or you can use the HD1000/HD1010 to play the videos from that.
10) HD video is playable either via WIFI through PS3, direct from DVD source, or direct from the hd1000/hd1010
Hope this helps!
I do have a couple of questions that get asked a lot here, I am interested to further my understanding...
so... (1) you shoot the video, then, (2) you transfer from your camcorder to your computer over USB...
--> When the video is brought into the video editor on your computer, does the editor deal with AVCHD natively or does it need to decompress it first?
--> When the sequence is long - say... 45 minutes - is that a single big file or are multiple files created?
--> Do you make a copy of the original data files first (before you start editing) or just leave the files on the camcorder memory card until the editing is done?
--> Do you ever archive the original data files (even the stuff that got edited out of the project for whatever reason)? What do you use for that archiving?
--> What do you edit the 24p video with? Do you ever render out to a DVD (single layer, double layer, BluRay)? What DVD authoring tool(s) do you use? Which optical disc burner do you use?
--> When you are done with the editing, what file types or media storage formats do you use?
--> When do you decide that the files can be deleted from the camcorder and the computer?
--> Is your HDTV connected to a media center server/computer capable of dealing with 24p high definition or do you use something like an AppleTV "appliance"?
--> Are you in an IP TV environment and your HDTV has web access? Just curious because you mentioned you shoot for the web - but you also indicated the HDTV item - or is this HDTV viewing unedited video only with direct camcorder connection?
Thanks!
Perfect. Thank you so much.
by boya84 - 7/7/08 9:12 PM In reply to: forum didn't allow reply do to depth, so moving my response by michaelspire1You've confirmed every reason why I continue to choose not to be in the flash memory camcorder environment.
I am pleasantly surprised at the "single file for 45 minutes captured" (just like miniDV tape). I am glad flash memory does not do the "new segment every 20 minutes" trick many HDD camcorders do.
Good to know this set up works for you.
Real 1080p camcorder out now, £500 and less
by darrenb123 - 8/12/08 4:04 PM In reply to: Perfect. Thank you so much. by boya84There is a new Panasonic HDC-HS9 £495-£650 + a flash only version, This camcorder is the only real deal on recording 1080p for less than a grand check it out...Darren
Looks like another advertiser
by Kiddpeat - 8/12/08 9:00 PM In reply to: Real 1080p camcorder out now, £500 and less by darrenb123hits the forum. Slam the competition, and puff your product.
Pretty nice discussion
by laser-tech - 9/1/08 11:54 AM In reply to: Looks like another advertiser by KiddpeatPretty nice discussion, a lot of information!
Thank you!
Tele, wide converter add-on
by laser-tech - 1/22/09 3:09 PM In reply to: Pretty nice discussion by laser-techHave anyone tired the tele and wide add-on for Sanyo HD1010?
Any sample video?
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