Digital cameras: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80
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by kalel33 - 7/16/08 2:20 PM In reply to: 29-400mm? by argetlam210318mm is equal to 28.8 when using the factor of 1.6. I was illustrating if you had both the 18-55mm and the 55-250mm.
Why are you limiting yourself?
by HTHMAN - 7/17/08 5:22 PM In reply to: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80 by argetlam2103Take a look at some of the offerings from Olympus, Sony and Pentax too. The kit lenses with all the cameras are not great, but adequate. There are a lot of used lenses that fit the Pentax. Sony took over the Minolta DSLR cameras, so all the Minolta auto lenses for 1985 on will fit and work on this body. The Olympus is a new system, so you will not find as much used for it. The advantage with all these cameras is the image stabilization is built into the body so any lens you stick on them will benefit from image stabilization. The Nikon and Canon built the IS into the lens, so you do not get stabilization with the old lenses. You must buy the stabilized lenses.
As an example, you can buy the Sony A200 with kit lens for $500, pick up several used Minolta lenses and be under your budget and have a nice system. The weak link in the Sony has been the kit lens, not the body.
Since you have lots of time, do some looking and comparing. You can get great images with any of those bodies paired up with the right glass.
Sony's body is somewhat limited
by kalel33 - 7/17/08 6:04 PM In reply to: Why are you limiting yourself? by HTHMANThe Sony has very good features and produces very good photos in good light, but has problems in low light or shooting sports. Those will require higher ISO's and that's Sony's Achilles heal. Dpreview said this of the Sony A200.
"Image quality on the A200 is a bit of a double-edged affair. While at base ISO the Sony's output is fairly clean and detailed (though not very good at low-contrast detail) things go downhill once you dim the lights and switch your camera to a higher ISO setting. The A200's noise reduction is pretty aggressive and causes visible smearing of fine detail in the camera's JPEG output. Most of the A200's direct competitors can produce visibly better results in challenging light situations."
DP review
by HTHMAN - 7/18/08 8:29 AM In reply to: Sony's body is somewhat limited by kalel33I just finished reading the (very extensive) review and comparison on the Sony vs the entry level competition. If you read it all, seems you could pick any of these and get excellent images. Good comparison report.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra200/
Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80
by patkinson - 7/18/08 7:31 PM In reply to: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80 by argetlam2103Hi there, I bought the Canon 30D and love it and will buy the 40D has a second. One thing to consider is, Canon lens's rake (if that's the word)the opposite direction to Nikon so if you are accustomed to one then using the other you may miss the shot.
Cheers,
P.A.
Difficult to say...
by skooal - 7/19/08 12:27 AM In reply to: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80 by argetlam2103Hi,
I am a Nikon user and like 99% of Nikon users I will tell you to buy that brand, the same as 99% of canon users will tell you not to and get a Canon instead... it's a bit like the mac or PC thing... nobody's totally right or wrong...
...so go to your local store, feel them, try them, check the price of the different lenses you might need in the future (don't get stuck with the manufacturers' one, I use the sigma range and love it)and let your heart decide...
and have a look at what others do with these:
for the D80 http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nikon/d80/
for the 40D http://www.flickr.com/cameras/canon/eos_40d/
and there are mine, using a D80: http://www.flickr.com/photos/skooal/
I hope this will help...
Cheers!!!
As a General Rule, Go With Nikon
by Flatworm - 7/19/08 5:58 AM In reply to: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80 by argetlam2103There is one thing about Nikon that Canon will NEVER match: Nikon lenses are clearly superior, particularly in their compactness but also in their optical quality. In some of the zooms with most useful focal length ranges, Canon lenses are huge and unwieldy while Nikons look like normal kit lenses.
So if you're thinking about the future, Nikon is the way to go. You will never feel buyer's remorse with the Nikon, and you probably will with anything else, including Canon.
The D80 will do anything and everything you want unless you are an experienced pro with unusually extreme demands, and Nikon makes cameras for them (the D200) too, and the cool thing is, your fine, fine Nikon and Nikkormat lenses will all still work.
Where did you get your info?
by kalel33 - 7/19/08 6:24 AM In reply to: As a General Rule, Go With Nikon by FlatwormThe Nikon lens are not superior in optical quality, lighter, or more compact. That's a myth that seems to be propagated from somewhere since you are the third person to say the same thing. Give one lens from Nikon that is smaller and lighter. For the optics, show me one professional article that says that Nikon lens are superior.
As a General Rule, Don't Rule Out Others
by Lacyt - 7/19/08 6:55 AM In reply to: As a General Rule, Go With Nikon by FlatwormNot to add to the confusion, but I agree with the poster who pointed out there are other very good brands to look at.
Didn't relay exclusively on user opinions because they will always tend to be biased toward the personal side.
Look at this site instead:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html
Virtually no hype gets past "steves".
_________
And for my personal opinion and from my personal economic standpoint, Pentax was my choice; has been for years. (Their 1980s LX film camera still fetches upwards of $600 on the used market!)
Why Pentax?
1. Shake reduction
2. Automatic dust removal
3. You can use EVERY lens Pentax ever made for their cameras, including the screw mount flavors and medium format lenses!
4. My son - the photog student - has dropped his K100D twice. It's like the old Timex watches - takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
5. Price. He got his new for half the original retail.
And remember - a photo is only as good as the man behind the camera...
Just my humble opinion.
As a General Rule - footnote
by Lacyt - 7/19/08 7:02 AM In reply to: As a General Rule, Don't Rule Out Others by LacytDon't miss the Taste Test when you visit "steves".
http://www.steves-digicams.com/digusers.html
Final note
by Lacyt - 7/19/08 7:13 AM In reply to: As a General Rule - footnote by LacytThis is an awesome site for across the board info. If you can't find what you want / need to know here, you just ain't lookin' hard enough...
http://www.photosig.com/go/main;jsessionid=aIJ9mKc7R9qfhzSP7S
alternative
by brentferree - 7/19/08 8:28 AM In reply to: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80 by argetlam2103Why not go for a D40/D40x (6/10MP respectively) and get a better lens, heck even an 18-200.
Check out the shots on pbase.com and flickr taken with those cameras.
I speak from the experience of owning a D40, D80, D300 (x2), and D3 and many professional Nikon lenses.
Cameras come and go but lenses are where you want to invest your money as they will last from body to body. Pick the system you're most comfortable with - Canon or Nikon and go for the glass. You won't regret it a year or two down the road when you're looking to replace the body and already have some cool glass to use with it.
Best of luck in your decision.
Check out the Reviews on 40D & D80
by ecanuck - 7/19/08 5:09 PM In reply to: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80 by argetlam2103Here is some more websites I was checking out when deciding which camera to buy as well. Some review cameras with lens, one or two review both seperately.
www.cameralabs.com
www.dcresource.com
www.digitalreview.ca
www.slrgear.com
www.popphoto.com
www.photozone.de/
I recently purchased a D80 with 18-70 kit lens. Took it to the White Mountains N.H. for my holidays & got some wonderful shots of July 4th fireworks, waterfalls and lookoffs. It will take some time to learn all the possible functions it has, but it sure is a big improvement to change settings over my P&S digital camera.
Canon 40D vs Nikon D80
by jowalters - 7/20/08 4:30 PM In reply to: Canon 40D vs. Nikon D80 by argetlam2103Hi. A lot depends on what you would like to do with the camera. I would recommend trying to play around with both cameras. If you would like to take just basic pictures that you can transfer to your pc, then I would recommend the Nikon.
I have used the Nikon D50 for the past few years. I have 2 lenses: the 18 to 55 and the 55 to 200, and I like them both. Also, I have an external flash unit (the SD-600). I have taken it with me to the U.K. 3 times as well as to Northern New York and to Florida since I have had it. I have had no problems with using it in all of the places that I have taken it.
I think the only problem that I have had with the camera is that I need to have a battery that last a longer time then I have in the camera, but, all in all, I have throughly enjoyed the camera. Also, a lot would depend on the computer that you have. If you have a computer that has all of the slots that you want to use for the transfer of the pictures to the disc, then you have the right computer that you can transfer.
I hope that this helps with the choice of the camera.
Canon, Nikon or Pentax
by drenfer - 7/21/08 12:51 PM In reply to: Canon 40D vs Nikon D80 by jowaltersThis is the perfect timing for this discussion. I to have been looking at Canon 40D and Nikon D80, but I also have been looking at the Pentax K20 and K200 because I own a Pentax SLR. I want to buy my wife a new dSLR, but cannot make up my mind. She will not be using a lot of settings, but she likes to take a lot of pictures (inside and outside). I don't want to buy way more than she needs, but I want something that she will enjoy. One thing I like about the Pentax is that the image stabilizer is in the camera and not the lense.
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