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Desktops: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 6/27/08 12:33 PM
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Post 16 of 42

Vista x64

by Sheitan86 - 6/27/08 11:46 PM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hi,

unless you have an hardware device lacking a 64 bits driver, go 64 bits, incompatible apps can most of time be run inside a virtual machine running your old 32 bits XP flavour.
There are several virtual hosts you can use to achieve this, VPC 2007 or SUN VirtualBox are free software and perform rather well provided that your hardware is powerfull ebough, but it should be if you've selected an 64bits OS !

Post 17 of 42

hey

by marcellut - 6/28/08 4:43 AM In reply to: Vista x64 by Sheitan86

im using 64-bit windows Xp professional..my specs are 250GB SATA hard, Quadcore Intel processor, 4GB RAM, 1GB video card...its okay that i used 64-bit windows XP or should i use 32-bit XP..or should i go for 64-bit Vista

Post 18 of 42

32bit. I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium.

by thljcl - 6/28/08 2:28 AM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

For more than a year since the first day I used this PC, I've no major issue. Everything just works.

Post 19 of 42

How many bits

by warhol6 - 6/28/08 5:07 AM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

i use a dual boot system:
32 bits windows XP professional = awesome
32 bits windows Vista home basic = good
32 bits OS for now is fine and discard all 64 bits headache concerning drivers, compatibility ... etc. but get me wrong definitely 64 bits is the future.

Post 20 of 42

Vista 64

by Scotteq - 6/28/08 5:46 AM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Been running 64 bit Vista for the last 9 months, and it's been practically flawless. And (speaking as one who actually used XP at that OS's release) it has bee far better than it's predecessor when compared at the same point in their life cycles. i.e. Vista at Release is far better than XP was at release.


Regarding compatibility - I have yet to find a commercial Windows application that doesn't run on Vista 64. Perhaps the difference is that I don't use old software or old hardware.

(related) Regarding the use of translation layers between 32 and 64 bit - This is not correct. WOW64 does some work redirecting registry entries and file locations, but at a fundamental level - an x86 binary is an x86 binary is an x86 binary. 32bit is x86 only, and as we all (should) know - the current x64 standard is a superset of the same instructions. This means your processor doesn't care. What matters is the API the developers programmed to. As long as the code is properly written to the proper API, it doesn't matter whether the compiler used is 32 or 64 bit.

Post 21 of 42

Applications that don't work with 64 bit OS

by ray574 - 11/4/08 1:19 AM In reply to: Vista 64 by Scotteq

I found that flash player and dvd43 for dvd decryption do not work with 64 bit OS. I "upgraded to vista home premium 64 bit to utilize 4
gig ram upgrade, because 32 bit only utilizes 3.2 gig of ram.
Then I found that I cannot watch youtube and cannot use my dvd copy program because the dvd43 needs to run to decrypt for copying.
Anyone know of a simple way to use these on 64 bit, or do I need to put my XP on as a second OS, but that requires some kind of patch, doesn't it?

Post 22 of 42

OS

by Phil Crase - 6/28/08 6:01 AM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

32 BIT XP PRO CLONE Smooth very smooth.

Post 23 of 42

OS

by knigh061171 - 6/28/08 7:36 AM In reply to: OS by Phil Crase

I'm using Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I have only had one device that I couldn't get drivers for, and old Creative Labs NX4 web cam. I'm not really worried about it. I'll get a newer web cam eventually.

As far as system specs, I'm running a 2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB of OCZ Platinum Ram, HP Lightscribe Combo DVD, Asus CD-RW, 3 hard drives, 2 IDE, 1 SATA, and dual 512 MB XFX Geforce 8600GT in SLI mode.

I do quite a bit of gaming and most, not all, of my games run just fine. I'm having less problems with games and software than a buddy is with running 32-bit XP SP2. I'm running Office 2003 and some photo-editing software, not much more than basic fix this...cloning..and whatnot.

Basically, I haven't had any complaints.

Post 24 of 42

32 bit

by repete_smile - 6/28/08 8:13 AM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

32, Windows XP Pro SP2, great
I'm planning on building a really fast computer and get 64 bit Windows Vista.

Post 25 of 42

RE: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating sys

by pixelsmith - 6/28/08 9:25 AM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I run a dual Intel quad processor machine, 8 GB RAM, and an Nvidia Quadro FX3500 video card running under XP-64 SP-2. I have a RAID 0 boot drive and a RAID 3 drive for rendering to. I've had the system since last August and initially had some problems with the Nvidia drivers which have since been resolved.

When I first got it, I had to do some research to find a suitable AV software provider. I liked NOD32 best, but wound up using Avast primarily because it was free. My Wacom serial port driven UDXL2 12x12 tablet didn't have drivers for it and Wacom had no plans for supporting it under 64 bit OS's so I had to purchase a new USB Wacom tablet. The version of Nero that came bundled with my machine had limited functionality. I had to upgrade to Nero 8 in order to get all of it's features enabled.

I had similar problems in regard to back-up software, which was part of the reason for the upgrade to Nero 8. My copy of UltraBac didn't support 64 bit machines although a newer version is available that does. I just don't want to pay the cost of the upgrade at this time.

My old Linocolor scanner didn't look viable for use with the new machine either since there weren't drivers for any of the SCSI-2 & SCSI-3 cards I had laying around. The scanner died last winter and I had to purchase a new one. When I began researching new scanners, I discovered that Microtek didn't have any drivers for their scanners, nor a timeline to support 64 bit OS's. Others were spotty at best. I wound up purchasing an Epson V750 Pro which was one of the few that had USB drivers for 64 bit machines. Unfortunately, some of it's best features, such as the Silverfast AI software included with it don't run under 64 bit Windows. I'm hoping they'll release a new version soon that will support 64 bit OS's.

I've had to upgrade the firmare and use different drivers for my Minolta 2300DL Color Laser printer which I don't like nearly as well as the drivers I use on my 32 bit machines. However, at least there *are* drivers which support the machine. My modem uses generic Microsoft drivers since the manufacturer doesn't provide their own.

I've not bothered with looking into monitor color calibration software yet as my need hasn't been strong enough, not to mention that my 30" HP LCD monitor has essentially no adjustment capabilities of it's own, so a Monitor Calibration system such as DataColor's Spyder may not even work with it for that reason alone. My DPT calibration hardware is made for CRT's, so I know it won't work with the monitor anyway.

With all that said, I'm very pleased with the way the machine runs Maya 8.5 as well as Photoshop CS2; the primary applications I run. I tend to run the 32 bit version of Internet Explorer so I can use the plug-ins for it such as Flash which won't run in the 64 bit version of Internet Explorer that comes with XP-64. I find it aggravating that many essential plug-ings for browsing the web don't have 64 bit versions, but for what I primarily use the machine for, it's something I can overlook.

I do have numerous other 32 bit apps that run under 32 bit XP which either won't run or won't install under 64 bit XP, but I can't recall the names of most of them at the moment other than Adobe Type Manager; a program I beta tested for many months during it's development for NT and am having trouble living without. I can readily live without DOS programs running in a Command Window as I had few of those to begin with.

I've been very hesitant about using any kind of a Registry cleaner and have found sites that check for driver updates such as PC Pitstop, etc. that don't fully understand that drivers for XP-64 are different than those for XP-32.

I think that pretty much sums up my experience to date. I'm happy with my choice of a 64 bit machine and OS, but it does have it's limitations in terms of hardware & software that one can use with it. If there's a specific 64 bit application you primarily use with it, then I'd highly recommend it. If not, I see no reason to make the change at this time.

- pixel

Post 26 of 42

Re:Poll How many bits is your main computer's ...

by BigBata - 6/28/08 9:52 AM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

32-bit Windows XP Home - Good

Post 27 of 42

32-Need 64 but don't trust Vista, maybe "windows 7"?

by DDT3 - 6/28/08 10:20 AM In reply to: Re:Poll How many bits is your main computer's ... by BigBata

Main workstation Vista 23-HATE Vista, worst OS in the world, never in a tear has it gone 4 days without a crash, some severe, some simple...made it to 2 days 23 hours once, but usually about 2 days between crashed, on a bad day 4-5 a day. Would love the power of 64 (have the hardware) but if 32 Vista is this bad and 64 is harder to find drivers etc...I'm waiting. Maybe the new Windows 7 ?
All other PC's XP-32 all fine,
1 laptop (wife's, no real "use" just a "surfer") Vista 32 and it's fine.

Post 28 of 42

64 bit seem sto work for me

by Jelly Baby - 6/28/08 4:39 PM In reply to: 32-Need 64 but don't trust Vista, maybe "windows 7"? by DDT3

I tested the 64 bit waters with Ubuntu dual booting with 32 bit XP on my PC. Linux was a much quicker OS to load than XP and seemed to work well on my PC.
I installed Vista 63 bit onto a new drive to see how it would work. All the reports of long boot times and driver issues made me fairly cautious about switching to Vista. Once I had in up and running (one of the easiest installations I have ever had to use to set up a new OS) it seemed to be pretty much problem free appart from a lack of drivers for my sound card. Once I had replaced it with an older Creative card which had a 64 bit Vista driver all was well. All my applications worked first time and both Photoshop and Capture NX are much faster then they were on XP. Boot times are shorter than XP and I have had no crashes of the OS and only a couple of minor application hangs in the weeks since I installed it.
I don't play games on the PC so I can't comment on 64 bit as a suitable games platform but for image processing and general "Office" applications it seems to be a big step forward.

Post 29 of 42

Vista 64 working excellent so far

by ray574 - 11/4/08 1:27 AM In reply to: 32-Need 64 but don't trust Vista, maybe "windows 7"? by DDT3

I installed 65 bit vista home premium, and it is very stable, and can utilize my 4 gig ram for my Acer Aspire, Amd athalon 64x2 duo core TK-55, 1.8GHz. I found Vista 64 bit for $90. Hope this helps.

Post 30 of 42

Running both 32 and 64

by sportster883 - 6/28/08 8:33 PM In reply to: Poll How many bits is your main computer's operating system? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have a HP desktop running Vista Home Premium 32 and An HP Pavilion Laptop running Vista Ultimate 64. Both systems are very stable and any difference in speed is undetectable to me in normal computing. I love the live motion desktop in Vista Ultimate, so much I'm debating upgrading the desktop to Ultimate. Vista for me has been a very good OS thus far, no crashes at all, and some very nice new features. I do not understand the bad rep it has received in the press, but could this be due to trying to upgrade older computers from XP to Vista?
I have had no bad experiences thus far.
As far as the 64 system, the only problems I have had is in trying to find drivers for several peripherals. Canon will not support 64 for my Image Class 780 laser printer, Linksys says they will not support 64 at all including my WPSM54G wireless print server, and Maxtor has no support for any of the One Touch Plus dives including my three month old 500 GB drive. GRRRRRR!! I can only say be very before switching to 64 if you have a lot of peripherals you wish to keep and be very careful to check for compatibility in buying any new ones. On the plus side Vista Ultimate 64 did not even require software to use my Office Jet 7310 or my friends HP PSC 1300 printer, it just saw them and set them up to work with no user input required. Finally Plug and Play that actually works. Same for thumbdrives, wireless routers (non-Linksys), mice, keyboards, etc.
So aside from some companies not wanting to support 64, I am VERY happy with the OS. Hope this helps.

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