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Buzz Out Loud Lounge: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think)

by raygun01 CNET staff - 5/12/08 12:08 PM
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Post 1 of 18

IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think)

by raygun01 CNET staff - 5/12/08 12:08 PM

I am in the midst of the slow process of redirecting our current podcast feeds to a new method of creation. (ie: old way - me hand coding XML... new way - blogs creating the podcast feed for me :) )

This <b>Friday, May 16</b> will be the day that the BOL feed is scheduled to switch to this new method. If you are subscribed to the Buzz Out Loud audio feed, you do NOT need to resubscribe to a new feed. I will have the link to which you are already subscribed to automatically redirect to the new location.

<b>BUT</b>

With the switch, there is the inevitability that some (or most) of you will open up your pod catcher (ie iTunes, etc...) on Friday after the switch to find a bunch of episodes you've already heard re-downloaded.

You can do one of two things (unfortunately, neither is very awesome):

<b>1: Do nothing.</b> Your pod catcher will simply download a bunch of episodes that you'll probably realize you've already heard, you delete them, you then live a long and fruitful life, probably forgetting that this ever happened in the first place. (in the grand scheme of things... is it really THAT bad?)

or

<b>2: You set your pod catcher to download "only the last new episode" or "only the last 3 episodes"</b> (this is worded differently in all pod catcher software). This way, when the switch happens, you won't get ALL episodes in the feed (which would only amount to around 8 episodes anyways).

Make sense?

<b>The reason:</b>
Basically, in the switch, there is no way for me to retain the tags that tell the pod catchers whether you've heard an episode or not. As a result, the info that passes on to your software telling it NOT to download those episodes you've heard won't exist and therefor, your iTunes or whatever you use will then download everything in the feed. In other words, your software will see all episodes in the feed as unheard and grab 'em all.

I realize I've told you way more than anyone really needs to know here, but I want to make sure that if this happens, at least you know about it ahead of time. It's inevitably going to happen to a lot of you.

Don't say I didn't tell ya so! ;)

Post 2 of 18

Good for You!

by milkky - 5/12/08 1:28 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

It is great to see someone act proactively. Not the lets-wait-and-cross-our-fingers-and-maybemaybemaybe-just-this-once-it'll-all-work-out method.

And, I'll even toss in that, in the grand scheme of things, it MIGHT matter. Picture 2 scenarios: The poor souls who are on dial-up (I've been off it only like a year) sure don't want to tie their lines up for extra hours and hours for duplicates AND People with download caps (my new world = 7.5GB/rolling 30 days) who routinely run right at the limit. Those people will really appreciate the heads-up and damage control.

So, again, good for you!

Post 3 of 18

i concur

by mementh - 5/12/08 2:55 PM In reply to: Good for You! by milkky

I concur :) I really appreciate it :)

Post 4 of 18

Sure, sure.

by Aeirlys - 5/12/08 7:05 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

It's all fun and games until somebody misses an episode.

Post 5 of 18

Awesome

by DaveBinM - 5/12/08 8:46 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

I know you've been doing some extra things on the blog, and I think it would be great to see how you automated it for the podcast.

Post 6 of 18

I can't wait for someone to complain about this...

by robstak - 5/12/08 11:21 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

lol its inevitable! "What happened!? Why did you change things!?" lol. and now we wait... :P

Post 7 of 18

Thanks, but...

by Owyn - 5/13/08 5:25 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

"2: You set your pod catcher to download "only the last new episode" or "only the last 3 episodes" (this is worded differently in all pod catcher software). This way, when the switch happens, you won't get ALL episodes in the feed (which would only amount to around 8 episodes anyways)."

This is my normal practice. I have seen too many instances of download storms when the feed arbritarily changes (this case), the feed gets corrupted, the podcast client gets confused, gremlins strike...

With hourly podcast updates I have very few cases when I miss an episode due to more than one valid episode being posted at a time.

Good luck with the switchover and thanks for the professional way you are managing this change.

Post 8 of 18

:O

by Cougar.pt - 5/15/08 4:50 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

Hummm... most half decent pod catchers would use the <guid> tag to determine if an item is new or not.

Considering that you use the mp3 file URL as the guid ("http://podcast-files.cnet.com/podcast/cnet_buzzoutloud_<date>.mp3"), many pod catchers won't have any problem, unless you move the files to other place.

Post 9 of 18

True...

by raygun01 CNET staff - 5/15/08 6:18 PM In reply to: :O by Cougar.pt

But the new method (via our blog tool) uses the blog entry url as the guid... :(

Post 10 of 18

While your at it.

by budi83 - 5/15/08 7:07 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

some sites are starting to put a zune subscribe button, can you do this Jason?

Or just a window with the code?

Tell ya why.

Firefox: no one wants to always choose between google reader and google homepage to get a rss feed. So, like many :greasemonkey to auto select googlereader.

All is fine until a podcast has to be done this way. click on your icon, before I can copy the url to paste into zune, it jumps to reader, where I have to go to manage suscriptions and blah blah to get the info needed...

anyway a simple url box or zune icon would be nice.

Wally

Post 11 of 18

UPDATE

by raygun01 CNET staff - 5/16/08 11:41 AM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

This change will happen Monday, May 19th... so if you already made a change to your pod catcher... then awesome, you're ahead of the game.

Have a great weekend!

Post 12 of 18

Please separate feeds for audio and video

by Cocophone - 5/19/08 12:52 PM In reply to: UPDATE by raygun01 CNET staff

Could you please have separate rss feeds for the audio mp3 version and the video version of Buzz Out Loud.

Post 13 of 18

The change has gone live!

by raygun01 CNET staff - 5/19/08 12:55 PM In reply to: IMPORTANT: BOL Feed changes (not as bad as you think) by raygun01 CNET staff

I'm ducking from flying debris...

You will notice that the feed redirects to a Feedburner entry now. Thanks for your patience, everyone.

Post 14 of 18

Awesome

by DaveBinM - 5/19/08 3:38 PM In reply to: The change has gone live! by raygun01 CNET staff

Looked, and there was no problems, the new episode seemed to download quite fast as well. Only thing is the back catalogue of BOLs is gone, but I'm sure I can find them somewhere else. Nice work Jason, no flying tomatoes from me!

Post 15 of 18

archive...

by raygun01 CNET staff - 5/19/08 7:21 PM In reply to: Awesome by DaveBinM

The size of the old BOL feed was getting way too large... so much so that it was affecting the speed of certain aggregators...

So now the feed is about the size it probably should be. The last 10 or so episodes will be there... and the entire catalog of episodes is listed in the blog at bol.cnet.com. (Got to the very oldest entries and you'll find all of the episodes dating back to 2005)

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