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Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Silent Vista-loving majority?
PMSL
by papa-raboon - 5/15/08 3:36 AM In reply to: I'm with throck, Vista is great. by robstakI really hate it when people make claims they don't back up.
Please tell me how you believe Windows has superior functionality to OS X?
And to say it looks as good as a Mac is pure barf. What's the logic behind that statement? Apple's user experience is far more complex than the pig-lipstick they slapped on Vista. One single example of many is the fact that you read a dialogue box full of annoyingly obtuse descriptions in Vista and scratch your head before pressing either Yes, No or Cancel, and you're still not sure you pressed the right button half the time. (Look at UAC for example). Whereas on Mac OS X dialogue boxes you get simple explanations in the text and buttons which say the actual actions on them. You may think that is not much of an issue to technically adept PC users but that is THE issue. Not all PC users are technically adept.
To have to read a dialogue box carefully many times a day takes your concentration off the important things like trying to get your work done. Every time you take your mind off the real challenge your work throws at you (especially if you are a coder) it means you have to get your mind back into "the zone" a little. This slows down your productivity.
On the Mac they make user interaction easy but incorporate technically powerful code to make the "human-unnecessary" decisions for you. I mean, what is the point in your OS telling you that you plugged a mouse into a USB port for goodness sake? That sort of unnecessary computer-user interaction just serves to slow you down.
Look at the lack of intuitiveness of Vista back-ups compared to "Time Machine" on a Mac. Uuuuggghhh...
Macs are so easy they are accessible to anyone.
These are just a few reasons why people find the Mac is a far more logical easy to use platform.
Vista Schmista. It's just playing catch-up to the Mac since OS X came out. How can it catch up though when Apple has so much more experience in OS and GUI development.
OS X is based on NeXT's NextStep which was way ahead of anything back in 1989 when it was released. It was UNIX based and had features even the Mac could only dream of back then.
Protected memory, preemptive multitasking and multithreading, and symmetric multiprocessing. etc etc and was continually developed since 1985 by NeXT up until Steve Jobs (co-founder of Apple and founder of NeXT) came back to Apple. Apple bought NeXT and developed OS X from there back in the late 90's.
1989 screenshots
Windows 2.1 - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Win386.jpg
Macintosh System 6 - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Finder608.png
NextStep 1 - http://www.operating-system.org/betriebssystem/bsgfx/apple/nextstep-01-scr-.jpg
The first web server (which was created by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN) ran on a Next Cube and so did the first web browser called "WorldWideWeb".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:First_Web_Server.jpg
In conclusion, the development of OS X started back in 1985 with NextStep and has been refined ever since. 23 years in total. And that 23 years has been spent improving and adding new features rather than just trying to botch the system to make it backward compatible (i.e. windows, hence all of the spaghetti code and unpatched security holes).
People have to remember that the original windows users just bought 'doze over the Mac because they couldn't afford a Mac. Windows market share has never been about quality. It's been about cheap and cheerful.
TL;DR
by three_toed_frog - 5/15/08 8:49 AM In reply to: PMSL by papa-raboonlolwut.
Does Apple provide you with your talking points, or do you come up with all this on your own?
Sheesh.
Oh, and also...
by three_toed_frog - 5/15/08 8:52 AM In reply to: TL;DR by three_toed_frogTo stay on topic, when the choice came to order my new PC with XP or Vista on it, I chose Vista.
I absolutely love it and would never go back to XP.
Mac fans
by mtbdude666 - 5/15/08 7:22 PM In reply to: PMSL by papa-raboonThe topic is Vista. But thanks for re-confirming the image of the arrogant, self-centered Mac fanatic. "Complex user experience". How profound! "Pig lipstick" ... now, gotta admit that's a good one. Sometimes you arrogant f*ckheads come up with some good lines. Now go away and play with your snotty friends.
hmmmmmm... think we got a lil lier in the group!!!
by jaces99 - 6/24/08 1:30 AM In reply to: I'm with throck, Vista is great. by robstakso no problems till you installed sp1? interesting then explaine y MICROSOFT is droping VISTA> if it is indeed so good and bringing out Vienna, Windows 7 to replace VISTA? in 2009 y so quick waiting years for longhorn/vista ,but yet wait there is a longhorn release only for SERVER>? hmmmm, but 4yrs sorry 6 years of work just to drop it hmmmm, i think not quest should be asked is not how it run but WHY ARE THEY DROPING IT>>>>>>>>?????? y is vista being removed from selves by end of 2008 , why is xp still out till 2010 , y is it the nvidia and microsoft are in middle of court about a class action law suite for the fualty drivers or crashes? since vista is so good y would you drop a product that took billions to creat in a matter of under 2 full years to drop it and start over? explaine it can you ????? why does the vista have winload.exe in the win dir??? in which is a progie called PC TATTLETALE??? a keyloger???? xoftspy se will detect it , but yet after sp1 xoftspyse will not run? hmmm tell you something there? explaine y the conect to the network all over when idle, sit back watch you router or cable modem or what not one night log the the netstat see what post!@ be suprised of the finding **** post them here!!!! lol , in closing before offering opions please do a lil research!!!
Bad image problem
by andrewr - 6/24/08 2:02 AM In reply to: hmmmmmm... think we got a lil lier in the group!!! by jaces99People such as yourself, who demonstrate limited capabilities (look at your spelling, grammar and sentence structure), through your ineptitude in using Vista, have created an image problem for Microsoft, and they, thinking the image cannot be corrected, have elected to cut and run with the next operating system, code named Windows 7 earlier than originally planned. All of this does not change the superiority of Vista. All it's requirements were well documented early in the game. Driver problems, hardware requirements, cosmetic changes requiring new learning were all discussed on the internet even when Vista was in beta. Do your research.
Listen to what the experts say
by panda2006 - 6/24/08 8:04 AM In reply to: Bad image problem by andrewrRead what the experts are saying about Vista...even if they: "demonstrate limited capabilities (look at your spelling, grammar and sentence structure), through your ineptitude in using Vista,..."
Too bad Vista is only for people with "capabilities" like you.
Luis.
Personal slurs are a low-blow online
by chustar - 6/24/08 8:21 AM In reply to: Listen to what the experts say by panda2006"Too bad Vista is only for people with "capabilities" like you."
Really, dude? Is that really neccessary? The experts I read (Adrian Kingsley Hughes, Molly Wood, Tom Merrit, Paul Thurrot, Ed Bott, Mary Jo Foley, Rafe Needleman, Leo Laporte, and some other people I don't remember) they all say that there isn't anything wrong with Vista.
There is a reason for that
by panda2006 - 6/24/08 8:56 AM In reply to: Personal slurs are a low-blow online by chustarMaybe they work for Microsoft, they have shares, or simply the use Vista for playing games at home.
The most common message I get from Vista is "not responding". Do you thing I invented that. By the way, I have "some" capabilities, I am completing a Master degree in Information System Security Management and most of the professors AND classmates agree that Vista is not stable.One of them mentioned Vista, RIP, based on a survey.
Please open your eyes, we changed the "blue screen" for "not responding" to name only a few bugs. It is not a problem of bad image, it is a problem of quality.
Luis.
Not employees or shareholders
by chustar - 6/24/08 9:10 AM In reply to: There is a reason for that by panda2006I could have called a few MSFT employees but I didn't want to specifically because you might say it's only because it pays their salary.
None of these guys are Microsoft employees and they all say they don't buy shares in companies they report on (we only have their word for it but if we don't trust the journalists, then maybe Bush isn't actually the president, since the only proof I have of that is that it's what the journalists tell me).
I don't suppose you'd be able to accept that different people have different experiences, will you? Like how my laptop has never crashed (except once when I was trying to hack the graphics card) or how I am happier with vista than with XP?
The problem with the "Vista sucks!" argument is that it refuses to acknowledge people's personal experiences.
(NT) I'm not exactly silent, but no worries here.
by kwahhn - 4/30/08 6:48 PM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarit's alright
by ktreb - 4/30/08 7:07 PM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarNot quite loving it, but I didn't really love xp either. Other than not being able to use vpn for work (they're not supporting vista yet...heck, they're only just now preparing to roll out IE7), I've been satisfied. But that is mainly because I got a new laptop rather than an upgrade. New laptop better than the old.
is that really true?
by chustar - 4/30/08 8:52 PM In reply to: it's alright by ktreb'Cos I'm getting a copy of ultimate in a few days. No, i didn't pay for it, i got it with the spyware for vista program they had last year. I'm planning to upgrade it when it arrives, but are there really that many compatibility issues?
compatibility issues
by ktreb - 5/1/08 10:32 AM In reply to: is that really true? by chustarI have home premium. My only problem is with my company's corporate VPN (I think Tom was having issues with that too so he downgraded to XP on his Mac). I just have to suck it up because it is a personal laptop (I'm not important enough to have a company laptop) and my company doesn't support Vista yet. Once it does, I can get assistance from my IT dept. It won't happen this year, though.
Is Your PC Able to Run Vista?
by PressAnyKey - 5/1/08 11:05 AM In reply to: is that really true? by chustarUpgrade is a dirty word when talking about Vista. Does your computer have the power necessary?
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