Windows Vista: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista?
- 5/7/08 10:29 PM
Ignorance is not bliss
by Albertv - 5/8/08 11:17 AM In reply to: A little history by stueygYou said;
"Vista is a modern OS and as such requires modern hardware and modern software."
That begs the question, what do you know about modern OS's?
Vista is modern because it is Microsoft's latest OS? Even on the most up to date hardware and software, it is slow compared to XP Pro SP-3 and Linux. Slowness comes from Microsoft's fixation of being and maintaining a monopoly position. Kind of like my way or the hy-way.
There up and coming OS, now that is modern, in concept let's see if they can pull it off. Mac OS is modern, as is Linux.
You say; "Some people complain that it runs slowly or that such and such application doesn't work. I have yet to hear of a complaint that wasn't solvable by updating to the current version. It's OK that Acrobat 7 doesn't work, cos Acrobat 8 does. Yes, you need lots of RAM and HDD space, but memory is amazingly cheap now."
I say using the good old XP with Acrobat 8 is much faster in the same hardware.
You state; "In a similar vein, XP is out of date. I recently loaded XP Pro over Vista onto a brand new laptop for a friend - after slipstreaming SATA drivers onto a new install disk just to load it onto the harddrive more than half of the hardware was not supported by XP. Some hardware didn't even have XP drivers available from the vendor."
I do the same on a weekly basis and you have to acquire some expertise to find the drivers. Laptop Vendors use similar hardware and I have yet to be stumped by drivers. However, Linux has the drivers in the Kernel of the OS for modern Intel hardware.
You said; "Did I point out that I needed my Vista PC to create the disk to install XP?"
If you used "nLite" you could have slipstreamed the SATA driver and the other hardware drivers in XP.
Welcome to my Bliss
by stueyg - 5/8/08 9:32 PM In reply to: Ignorance is not bliss by AlbertvMy computer isn't slow, so clearly I'm blissfully ignorant of how to not run a computer badly. I have a dual boot linux partition and Vista boots slightly faster but once running I can't notice any performance difference. (YMMV)
When Windows7 is finally released everybody is going to complain about lack of backwards compatibility. Something MacOS and Linux doesn't need to worry about as much as the eco-system is far smaller, though both do recognise it as a problem.
You said "you have to acquire some expertise to find the drivers". If i have a nVidia graphics card I will go to www.nvidia.com/drivers if its not there then the hardware isn't supported. And so on for other vendors. I'm sure there are third party cronked together drivers for alot of hardware out there, but going to myowndrivers.ru is not exactly what I call a good idea. Why should I beleive that the driver does what they say it will, let alone trust that it won't do something nefarious? Because the author says so??? This is an argument for another time on the responsibility of unauthorised third party developers.
And while Linux, like windows, does have the drivers for the Intel bits inside, not everything in my PC is from Intel.
Its also worth pointing out that I live outside the USA, so the range of hardware and software is far more varied, as is the support (both from vendors and third parties). Trying to find drivers on a vendor's website in traditional chinese characters isn't easy. Stuff intended for the american market tends to be well supported, sadly the rest of the world isn't always so lucky.
Yes, you're right, nLite works on XP. Unfortunately for you my desktop also has a SATA drive - so I couldn't install XP until after the SATA drivers were put into the install disk. This means you either need a non-SATA PC (quite rare now) running XP, or a SATA PC running Vista before you can have any chance of doing the slipstream.
About SATA Drives
by DJEVEREST - 5/12/08 2:52 AM In reply to: Welcome to my Bliss by stueygYou need to make an nlite XP installer with service pack 2, that comes with the SATA drivers for all HD vendors, probably you are installing XP with SP 1, and it will never run on a pc with sata HD's. And even if your HD is not SATA but it has more than 127 GB of capacity, it'll never install on your pc, cuz XP SP 1 doesnt support HD's with more than 127 GB of capacity.
Meditations on history
by rbsjrx - 5/9/08 3:30 PM In reply to: A little history by stueyg"Vista is a modern OS and as such requires modern hardware and modern software. Some people complain that it runs slowly or that such and such application doesn't work. I have yet to hear of a complaint that wasn't solvable by updating to the current version. It's OK that Acrobat 7 doesn't work, cos Acrobat 8 does."
The issue is that all of this is commercial software and some of it is far from inexpensive. If someone spends $90-190 (depending on the specific edition) on an OS, they should be warned in advance if they're going need to spend another few hundred bucks just to keep on doing the same things they're already doing. If you add in the possibility of requiring new hardware, the total cost of ownership may be exorbitant! Sticker shock is not a way to happy customers...
"Yes, you need lots of RAM and HDD space, but memory is amazingly cheap now."
Does that mean programming inefficiency should be rewarded?
Need Help - You seem the person
by jerryatrictoo - 5/21/08 6:59 PM In reply to: A little history by stueygWhen I run Computer Performance I get the following:
Processor - 4.6
Ram - 4.6
Primary Hard Drive - 5.0
Graphics - 2.9
Gaming Graphics - 2.5
I don't care about Gaming graphics as I don't play games.
How do you improve the graphics? Is it neccessary to improve the rating for graphics?
Anybody?
Not necessary, but desired...
by John.Wilkinson - 5/21/08 8:03 PM
In reply to: Need Help - You seem the person by jerryatrictoo
It means you won't get great performance while playing games or watching videos, and Aero's effects may not be smooth or fully enabled, but it's not absolutely necessary that you increase the score, which would require replacing the graphics card.
John
Vista usage
by tkoon - 5/8/08 4:10 AM In reply to: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
As a former computer systems engineer I am at least as knowledgeable as the average user. I've had VISTA on my new machine for about 6 months. I upgraded my memory to 3 GIG within a month, I run AOL and Norton and Vista just wouldn't run, it would crash to blue screen 20 times a day. Now that I made the upgrade it only crashes 3 to 4 times a day. My HP printer with all the new drivers still prints only one page every 4 to 5 minutes with xp it printed over 10 a minute and I have over 1000 of the looking for solution problems in my history. Vista has brought me closer to my family because our computer is in the kitchen and now I have to spend five to six times the time to complete the things that I used to complete. Truly, I cannot say anything good about it, I've made it a quest to tell at least 3 people a day, whatever they do don't try to go to Vista it is a waste of time.
Vista Home Premium
by sky381213 - 5/8/08 4:11 AM In reply to: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Vista is a bit 'Microsoft' - too many gimmics and not enough performance on the core shell.
Premium is OK on the laptop for most things, but annoying that it will not enter hibernation mode satisfactorily and return to operation again without constantly booting the wifi links up the backside. So what's the use?
Three versions of an OS is a bit hit and miss and suggests that they did not know what they were doing, and simply stripped off parts of the OS gimmics to get it on more machines. Well we are not that stupid MS...
I have not wasted time with Microsoft's Office packages and gone straight for Open Office which so far works fine. I no longer bother with email on the laptop, so do not need their Outlook, I am happily using webmail and centralised server storage of my communications, so they lost out on another software package there too.
Martin, UK
My experience
by meistersmom - 5/8/08 4:17 AM In reply to: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Well it is like this. I bought this HP as a bundle on sale and it always gives me problems. The startup is slow and the blank explorer page drives me nuts. The D drive is full and I can't back up and it fails putting on a disk as it holds in a space on the drive. No sense to me. Too much in the hard drive to start. Now my Yahoo don't respond right away. They keep fixing and we keep repairing.I bought my sons HP and he don't have a problem. I must have gotten an old one.
Two Words...
by darederek - 5/8/08 4:20 AM In reply to: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
GO MAC!!!
Yeah, its a good idea.
by DJEVEREST - 5/12/08 3:01 AM In reply to: Two Words... by darederekMAC is a little expensive option, but i think it well worth. I don't own a MAC, but im seriously considering in crossgrade to a MAC. If just all the software i bought were compatible with MAC 
.
If you're concerned about cost...
by rbsjrx - 5/12/08 5:21 AM In reply to: Yeah, its a good idea. by DJEVEREST...skip the migration to Mac and go to Kubuntu Linux instead. It's sufficiently Windows-like to make you feel at home and, in most cases, the cost of replacing your Windows software with Linux software will be precisely zero.
100% For Vista (except just a little for ubuntu)
by EscapePod - 5/8/08 4:21 AM In reply to: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I have built 15 PCs with Vista so far, and none have had any problems. The components were all selected for maximum performance, so I have not experienced any "slowness" that many others have complained about. I have used nVidia video cards exclusively, and with exception of lack of non-beta drivers for SLI in early 2007, they have performed flawlessly -- and NO bluescreens.
One PC had a minor (although, unfixable) issue when updating to SP1. It was a Vista Ultimate PC, so fortunately, I had a recent image (made using the built-in MS imaging utility). I reimaged the drive, and SP1 loaded without further problems.
It thinks its the BOSS of me.
by quokkasplace - 5/8/08 4:23 AM In reply to: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
In 26 years I have never had another operating system that thought it was boss of me.
I'm always logged in as Sysop ... and still it refuse to obey my commands, even simple ones some times e.g. I created a temporary folder on my desktop to drop the images from my camera, then I created a folder in my very organised graphics folder tree. I then tried in vain to move the images from the temp folder to the storage folder. VISTA said in different words NO!!
I used my graphics viewer drag drop no sweat :0)
A bug in the system caused the MOVING of 3.5 gig of data from 1 logical drive to another (with plenty of free space ) to be lost.
I recovered the then permanently deleted 3.5 gig that I had deleted from the 1st logical drive ... lucky I had the years of knowledge.
Have Fun :0) Scott
(but don't get caught, it'll be illegal, fattening or highly taxed! )
Vista Business............Love It
by briandr67 - 5/8/08 4:25 AM In reply to: Poll: What’s your personal experience with Vista? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I previously had a Dell Latitude D600 (Intel M Processor 1.5Ghz 512Mb RAM). It came preloaded with XP Home and I hated it. After 3 weeks I got rid of XP and went back to 2K Pro and laughed at family and friends who kept having problems with XP, (my step-father 3 clean installs (XP Home), a mate with 5 (XP Pro) and my brother in law 1 (XP Home). I did not need 1 in that 2 1\2 year period. When it came time to upgrade I brought a Compaq Presario V6000 (Intel Centrino Duo 1.86Ghz 1 MB RAM Shared with graphics) preloaded with Vista Business almost a year ago and i've had no problems with it. I regularly download and try a lot of Freeware Programs and have had only about 3 that haven't worked, and i've only had one driver failure, my audio driver from MS Update, (bundled with about 15 other updates on patch tuesday), so I downloaded the driver from the HP website and it installed properly. I now have SP 1 installed and it's just getting better. I ain't going back to 2K or XP.
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