Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Silent Vista-loving majority?
Not worth the upgrade-- buy a new computer
by zingerhill - 5/8/08 11:08 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI hated Vista when I first tried to install (right after its release) on a desktop that was supposedly "Vista Capable." It took me a week to get it working right. I had particular problems with an ATI driver. I would strongly suggest that unless you are a masochist you should not upgrade a machine. Driver support is much improved now so it's probably a better experience, but I still would not recommend an upgrade.
However, I do think it is a good time to buy a new computer with Vista. The machine that was a problem initially now works great. I now have Vista on a Thinkpad x61 and MacBook as well and it works great. I highly recommend that anyone buying a new computer get Vista-- it's worth it. I like Vista a lot.
But don't upgrade...
Nope. I quit selling Dell because of Vista.
by stuffdone - 5/8/08 11:09 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarVista caused me to stop offering Dell systems to my customers. After several go-rounds with Dell over refusing to ship computers with anything except Vista I stopped offering Dell. The first problem was that I had clients order new laptops only to find the applications they HAD TO HAVE would not even install on Vista. These were business clients who did not have another option and that meant they simply could not accept Vista. Dell was hopeless about understanding their need to have XP and demanded customers pay extra to downgrade. I had the customers return the Dells for a refund and they bought Gateways which they could get with XP.
I suspect that Dell and Microsoft have a pact to force anything MS puts out down the throat of buyers even if it does not work and is not what they want.
As a result I will no longer sell or suggest Dell. I am starting to work toward Linux instead.
Both MS and Dell and others have become software bullies insisting that people must buy what they want to sell the customer rather than what the customer really needs.
Vista is a big, fat, bloated, overblown OS with so much crap crammed into it that many machines simply will not run it. Probably 90% of what the typical user does can be done quite well with Win2k or XP. I still use Win2K for all my office machines and will not upgrad to another MS experiment.
What happens when MS stops supporting Win2k and XP and people's machines can't handle the fat Vista? That may be the turning point at which Linux has the advantage. There is no shortage of Open Source programs already out there and Linux installs at least as easy as anything MS has to offer...probably easier !
I say Vista may be what Linux needs to take off.
So far, so good.
by TheJoBoo - 5/8/08 11:11 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI've been using Vista Ultimate from the beginning. There have been a few minor bugs along the way.Internet Explorer has been a small pain as it shuts down and restarts occasionally. So far, it has not stolen my shoes or vaporized my neighborhood with a Martain death ray. The side bar gadgets are interesting Though, I rarely leave them on my desktop.
Vista-- trying to catch up to XP
by Thor Odinson - 5/8/08 11:48 AM In reply to: So far, so good. by TheJoBooVista may be all you (not me) wanted for an OS. I use my computer to work for a living. I spent over 10K on software that causes Vista to respond (huh, what???) Throught a dual processor, DVD, 17" (I want my 10 key back) laptop would be great. Every computer seller (except DELL) came preloaded with Vista and only Vista. XP could install a DOS based program (my clients found what THEY wanted--not Gates!). Vista machines could probably have been made to allow XP just like XP allowed W2000, W98, WinME, W95, W3.11, etc. but either Gates did a major screwup or all of the techs I talked to (literally around the world) were totally wrong--saying XP & Vista could not be on the same machine and be dual booted. A little more is creeping out there on the possibility of doing this. More programs (No not MS Office crap) are becoming Vista only--but let me work and make a buck (not easy with today's Congress) so I can buy (aka spend, aka "stimulate") the Vista stuff (if it works). Right now--Vista, thumbs down and XP rules!
Business Consultant--Thor (No I didn't have time to read the archives)
Reply to own post
by Thor Odinson - 5/8/08 1:26 PM In reply to: Vista-- trying to catch up to XP by Thor OdinsonI posted #366 and answered the phone. When I returned to email it was filled with notifications of responses. After fighting my way through posts until I found mine I realized that none of the posts was to the message I left--OK--most of the time the screen gets blocked off with the window from CNET advising me of my tracked discussions. If I could close that irritating window permanently it would do me fine. Some people said they HAVE a dual booting XP & Vista computer. No direct email addresses so I can ask how they did that however. If you can help me I'm at niwenterprises@yahoo.co. Thor
Vista positive response
by marberfa - 5/8/08 11:42 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI do like the way it handles some aspects of graphics issues...but that's all. Frankly, I think the only reason you're running this "positive" question/response poll is that you're getting heat from Microsoft and you want to keep their advertising.
Vista - It ain't all bad
by acura4u2 - 5/8/08 11:55 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarMy Vista experience began in December of 2007, and I must admit that it has been very stable. Yes Vista is a Mac wannabe, only with tons of productivity software. And there are some annoying features; such as the "are you sure defender popup", when I just try to breathe. Yes, the drivers are missing, and trying to get my All-In-One printer to communicate has been more than a challenge (OK I know this is a feel good thread, I just have to interject here that XP handled this setup in a very seamless manner). As far as Open Source applications, Vista has performed like the nice neighbor it needs to be. Perhaps the biggest draw is that my non-technical wife finds this to be an easy OS for her to navigate through. One HUGE plus for me is that with SP1, if things "don't work" I can uninstall and roll back to the previous state.
vista
by fredjay50 - 5/8/08 11:57 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarLove it
Vista is Da Bomb!
by wyodad - 5/8/08 11:59 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI absolutely love Vista! Try loading a new MB in XP and having to go through Windows Hell to do it. Vista says no problem...new MB, fine...new RAM, OK...new everything except the hard drive, no problem. I have been programing and building computers for decades (when I started we were still using FORTRAN IV!). I have worked with almost every operating system known to western civilization and VISTA is, by far, the best OS for conventional PCs. Why, it's even better than (gasp) UNIX!!! When you build the system correctly for the OS you are going to use, it all works just fine. They all have their place, even OS X, so use whatever system works best for you today. I guarantee that it will change tomorrow. Most of you children are so cute when you get all wound up about the "best" OS. By the time you get to the point in your life that you realize that you can make any OS work, there will be a bunch of new ones to play with. Get over yourselves and get back to work.
I am loving Vista
by smh1155 - 5/8/08 11:59 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI got Vista with my new computer and I have to say that I am very impressed. I was expecting to hate it cause I do read the boards here but we have our fair share of Microsoft haters logging in to trash anything that Microsoft does...I just thought I would put my two cents worth and say that I will be upgrading to the ultimate version since I had the opportunity to purchase for $99.00 with my new computer at Best Buy. I find that I am still adjusting different things but all in all I like it. This is the first computer that I have purchased because my mother board fried and died during tax time and I only had one day to get them done. I usually built them so I was prepared to go back to XP as soon as I was done with Uncle Sam BUT I don't think that I will.
yes i am
by edwin4k - 5/8/08 12:00 PM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI know vista gets a lot of crap about issues it has, but frankly I haven't had any of the problems I hear about. Vista has been just great for me! I haven't had a single crash since I upgraded last May! I just love it! When I visit my mom and use her 4 year old laptop running XP it feels so old the scene should be in a black and white silent film! Vista is just the kind of easy and technicolor computing I've wanted for a long time, and don't try to tell me that Macs are easier. "Easier" is an opinion, and I find two mouse buttons, compatibility with everything, and familiarity "easy."
It's not that bad, really
by vgny85 - 5/8/08 12:01 PM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarLike most of us, no Microsoft product will ever win raves from me.
However, I find it no better nor worse than XP (I have several XP PCs, and two Vista ones). I find my peripherals work fine, both new and old. I find that my software - some of it open-source, like OpenOffice -- works fine. Downloads, etc., seem to be working OK.
I have fewer glitches, and I have had WAAAAY fewer viral problems, such as slowness, blackouts, blue screen of death, etc. (Knock wood!)
So it's not terrible. Not a rave, but reality.
Vincent in CT
Its pretty good for me...
by spider9 - 5/8/08 12:14 PM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI picked up Vista way back when it was first released and had several major problems with it due to driver issues. I had a dual-boot configuration with Windows XP, so I wasn't totally bummed.
I didn't start to view Vista in a positive light until August of last year when a majority of the bugs I was experiencing got resolved. Now with Service Pack 1 finally released, its been doing really well and I've noticed a giant speed boost with it.
I hope the same thing doesn't happen when the next version of Windows is released in 2010, but that's thinking foolishly.
Running two years now and I love it.
by caskater4 - 5/8/08 12:18 PM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI first started using Vista with Beta 1. I progressed through RC1 and by RC2 it was my full time OS. I've been extremely happy with it for several reasons.
The first reason is the new interface. Computers have changed dramatically since Windows 95 but the interface has largely stayed the same. I'm glad that Microsoft isn't afraid to re-evaluate their interface for something better. The new interface has improved my day to day work efficiency quite substantially. It not only feels more intuitive but it looks great too. It may be a turn off to some at first but if you take the time to play and get familiar with it you'll see it has enormous benefits. Many of explorer's new features have proved so useful that Linux has seen fit to rip them off.
Second. Hardware accelerated desktop. For well over a decade computers have had 3D accelerator cards that were used almost exclusively for video games and CAD. Every Windows OS previous to Vista has always rendered its interface using the CPU. While this may be fine for some, it makes my video card useless for day to day activities. Vista's entirely new hardware accelerated graphics system is a dream come true. Not only does it offload all rendering to the video card but I can now run smoother, nicer looking desktop graphics without any penalty. That's petty awesome!
As a corollary to the new graphics system I have found Vista to require the least amount of color correction of any previous release. This is important to me as I do a lot of professional graphic work where color accuracy is of extreme importance. So kudos to MS for improving color accuracy!
Over the years i've had the luxury to be able to work with Mac OS, Linux and Windows on a fairly regular basis. At my current job I get to work with each system daily. In regards to security, one of the things that i've long disliked about Windows and loved about Unix/Linux systems is that no users are an administrator. Everyone is a basic user. This idea that you should never run as a privileged user is at the core of why Unix/Linux systems are safer than Windows. With Vista's User Account Control we finally have the same safety measure for the Windows world. While some hate the prompts I find they can be a blessing. I've even been so bold as to turn up the settings to require my password be entered whenever something requires admin privileges. This is great for me because it prevents random people using my computer from installing stuff I don't want or making changes I don't want them to. I know people complain about this feature "always popping up" but in my day to day experience I never see the prompts. So if you're seeing the prompts regularly maybe you should be asking yourself why you're installing or tweaking your system so much. Is it really necessary?
Another thing I like about Vista is DirectX 10. If you've ever had a chance to see a game in DirectX 10, it's hard to go back to anything previous.
In terms of compatibility and system stability i've had nothing but good experiences. I use a lot of multimedia applications (Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere, Flash, Dreamweaver, Maya, Live) and they all run just fine. My system has been rock solid stable since Vista RC2. I've also been fortunate to not have any hardware problems with the exception of nVidia's crappy drivers. However that's nobody else's fault but nVidia's. ATI had fully functional drivers with zero performance loss from the first day of release. While nVidia has finally fixed the performance loss problem they still don't have perfectly stable and feature complete drivers. There's simply no excuse for it. If ATI can do it, so can you nVidia. So get off your fat butt.
Overall i've been very pleased. The improvements to work efficiency alone have made the switch well worth it.
Silent Vista-loving majority
by slinkker - 5/8/08 12:20 PM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI have used Vista from the day it was released,even on the advise of people to not get it.To this day I haven`t had any trouble with it,I love it.My problem was with XP,maybe I am one of the lucky ones.
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