Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Silent Vista-loving majority?
Vista in the real world...
by jcoons117 - 5/8/08 8:55 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarThis is just an opinion, so use it for what it's worth. I use Vista as my OS of choice in a high production development environment every day (I also run it on most of my home PC's). Here is one quick comparison for those who complain about using Vista with old hardware, or complain about cost of newer hardware that will run Vista. I wanted to add a new small laptop to my collection for doing demos and take to user groups for that ahhh... effect the new small laptops seem to have. I bought a Toshiba Satalite U305-S2812 on sale a couple of weeks ago for $699.00 - $50.00 rebate. I pitched the 2 one gig sticks that came installed and replaced them with 2 two gig sticks for $72.00. Installed Vista with SP1 - that allows you to use and see the full 4 gig of memory, etc. So now I have a small laptop using Vista as the host OS that is running VWWare Workstation AND Virtual PC 2007 side by side on the same machine. Both VM's are running Windows Server 2003 R2, SQL 2005, SharePoint Services 3.0, and SharePoint MOSS 2007 Server. Both are running pretty fast and I have no trouble using them for development, demos, and presentations. I compare this setup with my MacBook - also with 4 gig of ram - that cost me about $1800.00. I can honestly tell you there is NO COMPARISON of what I got for the money - more usability, more performance, and less than half the price. I have all (or most) of the IT toys, and Vista has been rock solid with everything I have put it through so far. Sometimes it takes a little tweaking to get it right, but nothing like Linux for hands on requirements. So I say, buy the new hardware if you need to, put Linux on the old stuff if you choose not to donate it, and LOVE VISTA like most of us who are using it do...
Vista is just fine with me
by mcauleycssp - 5/8/08 8:56 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI bought a new laptop very shortly after Vista came out. I had a couple of software incompatabilities and one hardware incompatability but that is to be expected with any new OS (the same happened when WinXP came out). Anyway, I have no problems with Vista. I am very happy with it. So people, get over it!
Vista Majority
by edfrank - 5/8/08 8:57 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI am one of the people tolerating Vista, but a day doesn't pass that I consider reverting to XP Pro. I don't think there is a "silent Vista loving majority" because the program simply sucks. I have more problems every week with Vista than I ever had he entire time running XP. There is no Vista oveing Majority, although there may be a tiny Vista loving lunatic fringe.
You haven't talked to your favorite computer rescue people.
by melking - 5/8/08 8:58 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarHello,
Am I a fan of Vista which I have now used on one computer for over a year? Absolutely not. And my favorite Computer Guru's actually hate the botched up mess. I, they, and everybody else I know who has been saddled with a new computer with Vista are very unhappy. Many have taken their computer to the nearest computer shop and had the operating system replaced by Windows XP Professional. Why not? That is the best-working, most trouble-free operating system that Microsoft has yet developed.
Sincerely. Mel King
Not--A Vista lover!!!!!
by laptopuser123 - 5/8/08 8:58 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI absolutely hate Vista, it locks up all the time new computer, non-responsive program problems working in a graphics platform with a Sony Vaio computer with two hard drives 300GB and it is so frustrating!
Now I have runtime errors that I have tried everything to get rid of-evem reconfiguring my system back to it's original state-I am ready to buy a Dell with XP on it--they can have Vista, and put it in the vault and never open the door!
Silent Majority...
by clipboarder - 5/8/08 8:59 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustar... LMAO.
Yes - I am a Vista-loving software engineer
by wolfwizard - 5/8/08 9:01 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarLike many others my work does not support Vista, but they only use Office 2003 and IE 6 as well. Not exactly cutting edge. Although, I have no problems VPNing into my office using my Vista Ultimate computer.
In the beginning I had to do some learning mostly in the area of how the new security works and how to get it to work for me. Over the last year I have learned how and why Microsoft added the security the way they did, and it is brilliant. It achieves it's goal without having to rewrite the OS and every application ever written for the Microsoft OS. I haven't had any major issues that I couldn't figure out with a little research. Mostly it was learning what to do to allow an application to run (that only happened twice).
I now have 5 computers with various flavors of Vista running on them and love all of them. We play games, develop software and do our work on them. I hear alot of Vista bashing and have ignored it as just the new trend of Microsoft bashing by ignorant sheep. Security by obscurity only works while little attention is paid to something.
I actually caught myself looking at getting a MAC once with their OS X and took my 3 kids into an Apple store (I had to get an IPod fixed which I happened to win in a raffle). My kids sat at two MAC's and crashed them within 5 minutes. The store experts were stunned. I have had XP for years and they never crashed it. I decided that a MAC had no place in my home. 
I also use Office 2007 and IE7 and love both of them. I did try the IE8 beta on one machine and it has some nice features, but it had alot of issues with addins and some sites. You may want to wait until IE8 is out of beta. (I love beta testing and sending in my feedback)
Like anything new, you just have to take the time and get used to it. Vista is more secure, has great new features, and is easy to use. Put aside your prejudices, give it a real try for a month and see what you think.
Love it
by Milez5858 - 5/8/08 9:03 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarUpgraded 80 computer network. Some printer drivers were missing, but it's amazing what you can make work faking it with and HP5 driver.
Other than that, far fewer issues ... the constant warnings that get joked about scare the users from executing things they shouldn't be.
Note: We used NEW hardware spec'ed properly for Vista. This is key. I've lived the 3.1 to Windows 95 change... and then the Change to Windows 2000 and then to XP. It's always the same.. people try to upgrade equiptment that is just too old. The same stuff happened at our office when Mac went to OSX.... It took almost 2 years before we could remove the "work around" methodolody.
Vista has actually been one of the easier change overs.
Loving it!
by techsavy1 - 5/8/08 9:04 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI have used vista for over a year now, and I have never had one problem. Granted when I started I had a newer laptop all I had to so was upgrade my memory, which is nothing from newegg. I'm not one for looks but it is beautiful; besides that once you play with it for a while it's much easier to use. I'm a third year computer science major so I've done my share of repair for family and friends and even made a little money helping others out and once you know how to take advantage of it, it's wonderful. If you're not computer savvy vista is even easier; just hit start type in the search bar what your looking for and it brings everything related right up. I've talked to people that are actually defragmenting their systems for the first time with vista because they can find it easy now just by typing in defrag in the search bar. Almost everything you need is built right in, people can now make dvd's from their home movies with ease using windows movie maker, they no longer need to buy adobe, or Pinnacle and spend weeks trying to learn how to use it. This is a wonderful thing in my eyes. And lets face it, computers and computer parts are getting cheap. I've built a quad core rig with 8 gigs of Ram using 64bit Vista ultimate and a 24in monitor to take advantage of vista's beautiful sights and it cost me only $1,600. So anyone at home can upgrade a few parts like RAM and or video card and be very happy. Pop out, pop in and smile. I hope there is someone out there who agrees with us few.
Loving Vista
by rpa53 - 5/8/08 9:09 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI was a tester for vista. I had a few problems at first but things woked out. I am very happy with the final product and I have have it on 3 systems. I have 1 for work, 1 for games, and my laptop. There always will be people that have a problem with new systems. Bob
Problems? What problems?
by fmarkow - 5/8/08 9:10 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI only recently began using Vista, installed on a new Dell XPS1530, and it performs perfectly, even with fairly demanding applicatiosn - photo editing and music production, both intense resource hogs. My machine is stable, quick, etc. I did of course make all the recommended performance tweaks almost right away (after I began getting annoyed), like when Vista would constantly ask for permission - these things are very easy to turn off. I can imaging that when it first came out, and people were trying to put it on their current machines it sucked, but with a new machine today I cannot see any reason to complain, it works great and looks great. Personally, I think alot of the negative hype was perpetuated by Apple fan boys who hate MS, but her, get over it, MS is here to stay, and will dominate until Apple machines can compete price wise and software is as abundant and cheap.
Don't Understand Complaints With Vista.
by phenixgary - 5/8/08 9:10 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI have had Vista Ultimate since it went on sale in the stores. Installed it with no harware/software problems; have heard people complain of problem after problem, I can't see why they would have problems with a bought version if you have the correct hardware requirements, now on the other had they installed the beta version(s) then purchased it, theyy could have problems due to the beta version still being on the system. And yes I tried the beta version(s) of Vista (was a beta tester), but I had the smarts to do a clean install (formated hard drive),and i have yet to have any problems love all the new features Vista has more secure than Windows XP.
My Vista Ultimate is still in its' box
by PhotoMan - 5/8/08 9:10 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI'm a photographer and graphics artist. I don't purchase equipment based on its' "wow" factor but on its' functionality and as long as it does the job properly, I will continue to use it. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
I also have graphics created using software from the Windows 95, 98, 98SE, Mil, and XP era's. Last month I did some work for a client based on a graphics file created under Win 95. My present graphics programs could not open the original file so I opened the file from the (still installed) program that created it, did the work and "upsaved" a copy to XP. Some of these programs will not run under Vista at all.
Windows has created a plethoria of drivers for hardware and I can say that almost all my equipment (exception being an Epson Laser) will "function" within Vista. Unfortunantly, the ability to turn on a scanner and copy using a Vista (compatible) driver is not the same as the in-depth-all-the-bells-and-whistles driver that came with the hardware originally. I need the options that the equipment is capable of. After all, that is why I purchased it in the first place. For the consumer, that may be ok but for the person using the software and hardware to make a living, anything less than 100% compatibality just does't cut it.
I don't blame Windows for the lack of complete compatibality with my software porgrams or equipment. Every year the "computer" industry progresses in leaps and bounds over the previous year and trying to make sure that 8+ year old programs and equipment function, in the way originally created, within the new toys......especially when you consider that the manufacturers could not be bothered to update drivers for anything over a couple of years old.......is a headache of unimaginable proportions. All my Vista "certified" software and equipment ran fine in Vista.
I ran the pre release versions of Vista (installed on a separate computer) and with the exception of the bloatware, both in so-called freebies (30 day trials) and unnecessary code structure, was quite impressed with the results. Vista, like any other OS, is geared towards the future of computing, not the past.
If you are starting "fresh", with new equipment and Vista "certified" software then go with Vista.....you won't regret it....BUT if you are like me with legacy equipment and software, stay with XP.
As I look forward and update my photography / graphics equipment (not an overnight thing as several thousand dollars is involved), it will be installed into a Vista OS box but my XP OS box will sit there right beside it.
Until then, my Vista Ultimate 32/64 bit OS will sit in its' box...waiting.
Loudly loved Vista from 1st use.
by Getriebe - 5/8/08 9:11 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarWith a default attitude of preparing for the worst and expecting the best, I accepted Vista with an open mind and have loved it loudly from first use! Yes, there are niggles, but then niggles in my opinion, seem to be a characteristic trait of software interaction and offer me opportunities to workout and further increase my geek-muscles.
No complaints here
by Steve in PA - 5/8/08 9:12 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI've been using Vista since last April when I bought a new HP dv9000 series laptop. I've toned down some of the features with Vista, but add me to the silent-majority not having any issues or complaints with Vista.
I think the biggest problem people have is buying cheap systems with barely enough resources to run Vista. They buy a computer from store "X" because of a great price, but they fail to look into how much memoery, etc the system comes with.
My HP laptop came with 2gigs of memory and my system runs just fine.
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