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No issues. Happy with it...
by kuliddar - 5/8/08 6:06 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI think the bad press of this product got out of hand. Whether or not a new operating system was needed AT THIS TIME was the real issue. I was very happy with XP however the computer I had would not of made VISTA work correctly.
Since September, I have a new computer that came with VISTA installed. I figured that since I had an original XP version (not oem) if I wasn't happy with what I saw, I would just reformat and put xp on that machine instead. Well, 7 months later and I very happy with VISTA. I never really had an issue with it besides Adobe Acrobat Writer 6 not working on it or Outlook 2002 continuously asking for a password when opening the application for the first time during use. Two minor issues that I fixed anyways since.
The compatibility issue of programs is a lot of BS if you ask me. I can make programs from 95 work on it perfectly. Never had any driver issues that made me rethink this OS. When there was, there was a link to simply update the driver and voila. It's really history repeating itself when XP first came out.
Vista is indeed heavy, but if you think that the next OS will be lighter, you live on another planet. As features get added more memory will be required. Fact from 95 to 98 (cough WinME...now that was crap) to 2000 to XP and now to Vista.
I think that some issues at the beginnig launch gave it bad press by some high profile "tech people" and as usual, people followed that like sheep.
Is Vista made for older machines? NO it is not! Its for computers that have been on the market for the last two years with dual+ processors and gigs of RAM.
Like XP, VISTA will only get better but I hope that MS reconsiders its launching windows for new OS. We are not at the age of Win95 where people lined up for an OS. With a pretty stable XP people are feeling they are getting another OS shoved down their throat when it was not necessary yet. For that, is, IMO why VISTA hasn't lifted in sales as expected and not because of performance.
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by whobiggs - 5/8/08 6:08 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI have been using vista for quite a while now and am generally happy with it. Some of my older software is not compatible and I'm reluctant to replace them with newer more complicated ones. Updates are frustrating, as generally when I get one something invariably goes wrong with the computer. Usually graphics or printer etc, entailing a sytem restore to get it back where it was before then it normally carries on ok. It is rather noisy though as it's always doing something. Hardly ever crashes unlike XP which was doing it all the time!
What the hell is XPS printing? It tries to save instead of printing and even then fails at that.
Vista is Great (from what I've seen)
by DeviousDW - 5/8/08 6:22 AM In reply to: Vista by whobiggsAlthough my current computer would not be able to run Vista properly, I have a roommate that uses Vista, and I have to say that its a great running OS. I think the only complaint that my roommates and I have come across is the fact that the USB does not read the flash drives/externals when plugged in... not sure if thats Vista related...
Overall, I think Vista is great (from what i've seen), I just need a new comp =P
Vista tweaks, just like XP
by maartsen - 5/8/08 6:14 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI got Vista pre-installed on an Everex laptop - upgraded that to Vista Ultimate, and I have since installed Vista Business on an older HP laptop designed for XP. The Everex ran fine, but as it turned out, the factory load was not optimized - I reinstalled it from its master disk, and it runs even better now, this is probably due to the Vista installer updating itself from Microsoft Vista support during load. The new install is some 20% faster!
The HP laptop Vista install amazed me - Vista solved a couple of problems that machine always had. There were no Vista drivers for a number of hardware elements in the HP, but as it turned out the XP drivers, which would not install under Vista, could be manually installed simply by unpacking them onto the HP's hard disk, then from device manager "update" the generic drivers Vista loaded with those XP drivers. Now everything works, including hibernation, which would never work under XP if there was traffic on a port, while somehow the dead laptop battery came back to life - go figure. There are no older XP applications that would not run - in fact, even a couple of 98SE apps run without a hitch, and this includes older communications devices and graphics equipment with XP drivers.
I am not necessarily the silent minority, and have documented some of my exploits in my blog - go to my site and do a search on "Vista" in the search box.
Menno Aartsen
Fredericksburg, VA
http://aartsen.net
¡¡¡ No !!!
by 8arrial8 - 5/8/08 6:15 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustar"Is anyone here part of the silent vista-loving majority?"
Hi !
No, I am not ! Because it is'nt possible !
Sorry, in french :
µsoft developpee des OS de plus en plus gros (Taller and Taller !)!
C'est une impasse.
c'est contraire à tout principe d'ergonomie …
@ more …
Learning to like it.. not in love yet...
by frankerowell - 5/8/08 6:16 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarOver all, Vista runs noticeable slower on my dual-boot PC than XP Home Edition.. I only installed Vista because I had too.. as a PC-tech. Yet, I am learning to like it.... Microsoft did not do a good job in helping people learn how to transition from XP to Vista in terms of how-to, and where things are... If that had been done clearly in plain, simple language, I think the complaints would be fewer. I also lost a couple of aps, and my old ATI TV Wonder Pro tuner card, but that was an ATI decison not to update the drivers for the tuner card.. Setting up a home network with XP PCs on the network required purchasing a tutorial for 30 bucks.. which taught me what to do, but I shouldn't have had to do that either..
And now I hear that Microsoft is coming out with Windows 7.. I think it's time to just get out of this crazy business.. I can't afford to stay current anymore...
Frank in Tucson
My take on Vista
by exvallarta - 5/8/08 6:17 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI find it to be a very good program which is getting better by the day. With it's major thrust in providing security it is the best operating system around for the average person. With SP1 it even got better.
The use of shadow files and restore function have saved me half-a-dozen times from doing a reload. What more can you ask of the program than that?
Myles
I'm a Vista lover
by zooky11 - 5/8/08 6:18 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI must admit that I didn't upgrade to it, though. Instead, I bought an HP Quad desktop, w/3gig Ram. Yeah, I had some issues with some of my periphs but I was planning on replacing them anyway. This just hurried that decision along faster than expected.
I've been in computers for 40+ years and have seen these kinds of problems repeat over-n-over again - mainframes and/or pc's. Vista is not unique in that area, in fact, it's rather common. I remember the nightmare I went through when I upgraded from ME to XP.
Vista does everything I wanted it to do, better, faster, um, not smaller - but, that's understandable since functionality asked for by users were added.
Learned to live with it
by jadex - 5/8/08 6:20 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarUpon getting a Vista machine I had problems and had to send it back to the manufacturer to get it fixed. They put in new hard drives, NICs, speakers, etc. until they were rebuilt, ( did I mention this happened with 2 machines). After 6 months of torture, they upgraded me with more memory (hmmmmm) and faster processors (hmmmm again) just a bigger more powerful machine all around. It was terribly slow right out of the box so I adjusted the Vista settings down to do nothing and now I have a machine that I really like with an OS that is too bloated to use all the bells and whistles. It is aomething like using XP with a sense of more security.
Windows has always been and will always be a Beta OS
by intrepi - 5/8/08 6:22 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI cannot remember a time when Windows was not doing upgrades, reporting back to Windows, fixing something, somewhere at sometime in a never ending succession. Windows has always been a Beta OS and we window users are the unpaid testers who MS could really care less about. MS is interested in big business which has thousands of machines and thousands of licenses to go with them. If big business all went to Mac or Linux, MS would be in a world of trouble. I believe they have to get something right soon or they will continue down that road as they won't be able to hold HP, Compaq, Dell and other PC manufacturer's by the throats for much longer if they don't come up with something better than Vista.
no
by cnet=techpimp - 5/8/08 6:23 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarNot only is the essential system in the back nothing super, but the interface, the interface... everything moved from where it had been, nicely hidden or otherwise obscured. In short an interface designed by a drug riddled brain in the last stages of terminal venereal disease - could have done a better job. Congrats Microdolts!
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by f4428000 - 5/8/08 6:23 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustaryep i love it, agree with the "territory" comment, just wish they hardware vendors who claim to be vista compliant were telling the truth. a little costly on the hardware upgrades due to incompatibility. But i love the vista
frank
Enjoying it, but not quite silently
by curt_grymala - 5/8/08 6:24 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI have been enjoying Vista since I purchased my HP Pavilion A6000-N about a year ago. Other than one rather major hiccup, which was as much my fault as it was Vista's (I tried to install OpenSuSE, and killed my Vista installation absolutely dead when I resized the hard drive to make room - I actually had to send the box back to HP to have them reinstall the OS), I have had no major gripes about Vista.
In August, I wrote a review of Vista for the HTMLCenter blog (http://htmlcenter.com/blog/windows-vista-my-review/) and said basically what a lot of people have already said in this topic. It's different from XP, which is why a lot of people have so much trouble accepting it. However, most those same people complained about XP when it came out, and they all wanted to revert back to Win 98 SE (let's not even discuss Windows ME). People simply are not used to the appearance and performance of Vista.
Vista actually includes a lot of great new features, ranging from security (which, a lot of the negative users will tell you is annoying, but it's the cost of adding security to your applications) to performance to aesthetics. All-in-all, I am much more impressed with Vista and its improvements over XP than I ever was with the "improvements" XP made over Win98.
Sure, I've had some minor issues with my hardware, occasionally, but they are never major problems. In the beginning, I had some problems with my display driver constantly resetting, but those seem to have gone away after a series of updates. I have to occasionally reconfigure my audio settings after Vista installs an update, because the built-in Vista sound driver (to which Vista defaults whenever an update is installed) does not work with my sound card, so I have to disable it and set my Realtek driver as the default.
Other than that, the only major complaint I've got about Vista is the issue with the COM Surrogate that's been discussed on countless forums (if you have thumbnails enabled within Windows Explorer, Explorer will probably crash fairly consistently when viewing your media files - but Microsoft blames this on the media codecs and seems to refuse to look into possible soltions).
Of course, if it was possible, I would still prefer to use OpenSuSE for most of my computing needs, but that's just not realistic with the majority of the world using proprietary software and hardware built for Windows. If I have to use a Microsoft OS, I am happy to use Vista.
No complaints, fast system
by togamoos - 5/8/08 6:24 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarI built a computer five months ago, installed Vista on it (my first-ever Vista machine), and it's been an absolutely problem-free experience from day one. The computer runs incredibly fast. I don't know if that's because of the enthusiast-grade components I used, or if it's really running better than it would with XP; all I know is that I'm happy with it.
Of course, in order to be truly happy with it, I had to disable UAC, which is the dumbest idea Microsoft's ever had. Once I took care of that, though, it's been running better than any computer I've ever used - and that includes the $4,000 quad-core I just got at work... which runs XP.
VISTA? - No Way Jose!
by hobojohn - 5/8/08 6:26 AM In reply to: Silent Vista-loving majority? by chustarVISTA?? You've got to be kidding. Been there, done that, several times. Seriously, over the past year plus I've had occasion to purchase a few new 'high end' machines, (Dell, Gateway, HP, Acer, etc.), in the ~$1,000 price range with factory installed versions of VISTA, latest SP. In each case, I ended up returning the machines within the 'trial' period due to 'numerous' compatibility problems, (drivers, etc.), and SUPER SUPER SLOW performance, (as compared to XP) - even with the recommended 4MB of installed RAM. Microgates and company have once again pulled a fast one on us, (Remember ME?), and through their slick ads have managed to dupe a large portion of the public into believing they have a better OS. HA! I just purchased a couple of brand new Lenovo ThinkPad laptop machines with XP Professional installed, (with only 2GB of RAM), and am very pleased. In fact, just yesterday I installed XP SP3 and have noted even faster boot and application performance times than with SP2. As por moi, I'll stay with XP until the post Vista OS, (currently under development), becomes available, and maybe by then M$ will get it right, maybe. 
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