Buzz Out Loud Lounge: HTC Diamond blows iPhone out of the water
HTC Diamond blows iPhone out of the water
by Metalchurch98 - 5/6/08 8:49 AMThe HTC Diamond has been announced,and its a doozy.
The specs beat the iPhone by a mile, and the interface is so tasty its to die for. Check out the video at youtube.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/HTC
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46278
Reaction from Engadget very positive.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/06/htc-unveils-new-htc-touch-diamond-handset-not-too-big-not-too/
Well... maybe
by MagnumVP - 5/6/08 8:57 AM In reply to: HTC Diamond blows iPhone out of the water by Metalchurch98It does look very impressive, but that is what the video is suppose to do. When the product is released, that is when the true iPhone vs ???? can be determined. Until then I keep my hopes up that competition increases and more and more phones are introduced with really kewl features.
Blows might be right.
by R. Proffitt
- 5/6/08 10:13 AM
In reply to: HTC Diamond blows iPhone out of the water by Metalchurch98
I don't see these in stores around here. Also I don't see ATT or other (USA) wireless provider getting behind this. Blows might be the word here.
Diamond coming to USA, but on CDMA
by Metalchurch98 - 5/6/08 12:00 PM In reply to: Blows might be right. by R. Proffitt
Actually Sprint will be releasing the Diamond and Raphael later this year, around Q3 2008.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/04/23/htcs-raphael-and-diamond-coming-to-sprint-and-looking-good/
Follow the stock symbol S
by R. Proffitt - 5/7/08 5:11 AM
In reply to: Diamond coming to USA, but on CDMA by Metalchurch98
Down, down, down... They are desperate.
Bob
We'll see how it works in the real world.
by minimalist - 5/6/08 11:57 AM In reply to: HTC Diamond blows iPhone out of the water by Metalchurch98It looks nice enough and the graphical eye candy is pretty and all.
But, in my experience, almost every time a company tries to out-Apple Apple they forget to spend the time and energy to make a really kick butt UI. 80% of why people love their apple stuff is the UI and the way the software and hardware are so tightly integrated. Unfortunately this requires a lot of investment that is foreign to the way many CE companies operate... which is to just shovel on the features and leave it up to God to sort out how they actually work.
Maybe HTC will surprise me but given the number of times I have seen these kinds of knock offs come up short in the past I am not holding my breath. About the only exception I have seen lately is the 2G Zune which may have actually exceeded Apple in the interface department.
The Diamond is no iPhone knock-off
by Metalchurch98 - 5/6/08 12:06 PM In reply to: We'll see how it works in the real world. by minimalistIts better.
How do you know it is "better"
by minimalist - 5/6/08 7:46 PM In reply to: The Diamond is no iPhone knock-off by Metalchurch98if all you have seen is a marketing video? 'Better is not just having a longer list of checkboxes on your product brochure. You need quantity AND quality.
The one thing that routinely slips through the cracks on these kinds of products is a well thought out user interface that ties the whole experience together. Making a pretty UI is not enough.
A really designed UI costs money and can't jut be farmed out to some OEM provider. It is possible HTC could prove me wrong but precedents suggest that my skepticism is warranted.
HTC's design goal was...
by Metalchurch98 - 5/6/08 11:36 PM In reply to: How do you know it is "better" by minimalist... to be "hyper-intuitive"
As the BGR says, after a hands-on:
"The TouchFLO 3D interface is, in a word, amazing. If you thought the original TouchFLO skin was impressive (or even unimpressive) than you’re in for a big surprise here. This is, without a doubt, the most un-Windows Mobile-like Windows Mobile interface we’ve ever seen, and that’s a good thing. The graphics, which rely on their own 3D accelerator chip, are stunning, and the entire user experience is exceptionally well thought through. Hyper-intuitive design is the term than comes to mind, with most every action, from contact scrolling to music selection, thought through from the perspective of a uninformed user. It’s not dumbed down, it’s just simple and straight forward. One of the most impressive features is the way that the browser automatically resizes zoomed chunks of text for easy reading and consumption. Think Mobile Safari, but even more readable. "
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/06/htc-world-press-event-wrap-up/
You dont have to be a fruit company to make a piece of software and hardware thats easy to use.
True.
by minimalist - 5/7/08 8:17 AM In reply to: HTC's design goal was... by Metalchurch98"You dont have to be a fruit company to make a piece of software and hardware thats easy to use."
I never said you did. TiVo is proof that it can be done if the will and the commitment is there from the top down.
Problem is that in many companies it is not and its hard to make a great interface when your managers and executives don;t support you 100%. Its rare that that CE companies with razor thin profit margins are willing to devote the necessary R&D time to design a truly great interface.
I hope for your sake HTC has done done this. I will remain skeptical until this device is actually released and we can touch it ourselves.
Everyone is missing just one little detail!
by easoto - 5/7/08 6:24 AM In reply to: HTC Diamond blows iPhone out of the water by Metalchurch98Hi folks,
Yes, it's an impressive interface. However, everyone is missing one little detail. Cool interface or not, this is ultimately a WINDOWS smartphone. This means a couple of things:
1. Windows smartphones are NOT as easy to use as other phones.
2. Windows is simply and utterly NOT cool (and the target of a device like this very much cares about cool.)
3. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Windows smartphones are HORRIBLY unstable. Anyone with one of these (and I know a number of people with these) simply has to accept that every so often, they have to "reboot" their phone so that it works correctly.
Just like with our PCs, MS just fails to produce anything truly reliable - and we consumers fail to hold them up to this task. If an auto maker made a car that needed a reboot every couple of days no one would buy it! Yet, we buy these phones and learn to live around the bugs.
Stupid statements
by Metalchurch98 - 5/7/08 6:37 AM In reply to: Everyone is missing just one little detail! by easoto>>Yes, it's an impressive interface. However, everyone is missing one little detail. Cool interface or not, this is ultimately a WINDOWS smartphone. This means a couple of things:
>>1. Windows smartphones are NOT as easy to use as other phones.
The interface is impressive because is cool AND easy to use. Its all software in the end, isn't it?
>>2. Windows is simply and utterly NOT cool (and the target of a device like this very much cares about cool.)
That explains those 3 million HTC Touch's sold,doesn't it? With the iPhone now being as common as dirt, its the iPhone thats no longer cool.
>>3. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Windows smartphones are HORRIBLY unstable. Anyone with one of these (and I know a number of people with these) simply has to accept that every so often, they have to "reboot" their phone so that it works correctly.
So the iPhone never needs to be rebooted? Not even with Safari closing all the time when you visit TUAW? Or when you SMS messages take 30 seconds to open?
Having Windows Mobile as the foundation of this phone means things like full Exchange integration, Internet Sharing, a full bluetooth stack with A2DP for example,a huge amount of 3rd party software and easy carrier acceptance. Thats why,ultimately, this is a Windows Mobile Smartphone.
Chill out dude!
by easoto - 5/7/08 7:39 AM In reply to: Stupid statements by Metalchurch98Dude,
My post was not an iPhone is better than HTC post. It was a MS has missed the boat with Windows Mobile AND HTC will suffer for it - post. This is ultimately too bad for HTC because the device is quite interesting - although shackled horribly to a deficient Windows Mobile. Surely, HTC, having sold millions of phones (as you say) perhaps will see to a better "platform" independent of MS.
BTW, nice value statement on my post. Are you "angry" today? You are quick to call my post "stupid" and then introduce a stupid one of your own.
-Your argument is that because the iPhone needs to be rebooted when Safari dies (your assertion), it is acceptable for the HTC to also need to be rebooted daily.
-So, if iPhone is unreliable and POOR, it's OK for the HTC to be unreliable and POOR also.
You definitely have been drinking the MS Kool-Aid.
The reality is that these consumer devices that we've come to see as "acceptable" are horribly unreliable. This is an "across the board" statement. They introduce bells-and-whistles for the sake of GLITZ instead of usability. They rush these products to market, half untested, half finished, to catch some wave! And millions of little follower consumers go buy them and when the device does not hold up to the promise, we learn the band-aids and workarounds instead of demanding a fix (or our money back).
Until consumers start to expect more of these devices, we will simply be living in bug-and-glitch land where "reboot" becomes the order of the day and the "standard" software companies are held to is as deficient as MS has been and continues to be.
Luckily for all of us (including you), markets correct themselves over time. And over time, a reliable smartphone OS will arise and be dominant - whatever it may be!
Come on dude, surely you want to aim higher than that or are you just satisfied with being mediocre?
Do some research
by Metalchurch98 - 5/7/08 8:14 AM In reply to: Chill out dude! by easotoMy post was not an iPhone is better than HTC post. It was a MS has missed the boat with Windows Mobile AND HTC will suffer for it - post. This is ultimately too bad for HTC because the device is quite interesting - although shackled horribly to a deficient Windows Mobile. Surely, HTC, having sold millions of phones (as you say) perhaps will see to a better "platform" independent of MS.
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I believe your post was a "Windows Mobile is junk" when there are plenty of very stable WM phones around. Like everything, stability depends a lot on drivers and hardware integration, and thats the work of the OEM's.
No-one said rebooting every day was acceptable,but rebooting occasionally is.
HTC is definitely not suffering from being the largest WM OEM. At 15.7 billion dollars, they are worth more than ASUS and ACER, their stock is on an all-time high, and they grew profits 25% in Q1 2008.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?capId=8104897
In short, you don't know what you are talking about.
I must have missed the "EXPERT" title next to your name
by easoto - 5/7/08 2:52 PM In reply to: Do some research by Metalchurch98Surely, oh-all-mighty-phone-expert, I must have missed the designation on your post where it said you were The-One expert in this topic.
Oh, wait, it's an opinion forum. Imagine that.
Having had all of Palm, Windows Mobile (all versions) and now iPhone - running on many a hardware platforms, I have to say that Windows Mobile remains the least reliable of the bunch.
Since this forum is about opinion, I guess that's mine, which you clearly disagree with.
E.
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