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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 5/16/08 3:56 PM
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Post 151 of 415

Don't worry

by cpopa55 - 5/3/08 9:44 AM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hello There:
The converter boxes will only be needed if you have a TV connected to a
indoor or outside antenna. If you have cable or satellite then your OK.
Your service provider should do all the converting for you. You may want to
go to the web site www.dtv2009.gov for more info.


Chuck P.

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No need for you to upgrade

by BigJayDogg3 - 5/3/08 10:10 AM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

You don't need to upgrade any TVs unless they are recieving over the air transmissions. If you have satellite or cable you don't have to upgrade.

Also I know this isn't in your question, but it is a common misconception that TVs are moving to HDTV. They are not. You can upgrade to HDTV, and some stations are upgrading to HDTV since they have to upgrade anyway. But there is a difference between HDTV and DTV.

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digital viewing?

by William Belford - 5/3/08 10:18 AM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Do not fully understand what you mean by connect direct to cable. Have you no set top box? The vast majority of older televisions have analogue tuners built in, which receive broadcasts through a standard TV aerial. After analogue signals are switched off, you’ll need a digital set-top box unless you’ve got a newer TV with a digital tuner built in. The good news is that digital set-top boxes can open up a whole new world of entertainment from browsing on-screen programme guides to pausing live TV.

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Direct connection to cable is still an option for most.

by inetdog - 5/3/08 3:07 PM In reply to: digital viewing? by William Belford

The signals sent over a cable, going back to the earliest days of cable, have been analog. That is all that there was in the beginning. But since the cable providers did not have to worry about interference with other broadcast services they were able to take advantage of frequency spectrum that was used for other over-the-air services.
Specifically, the original channel 1 was transferred to the use by the 50 Mhz portable radio bands for government and commercial use. So a cable could use a channel 1 signal. Similarly, the gap between channel 4 and 5 and the gap between channel 6 and 7 are used for other over-the-air services.
And there is an enormous gap beween the highest VHF channel (13) at 210 Mhz and the lowest UHF channel (14) at 470 Mhz.

Since the signal losses per foot in a cable go up rapidly with increasing frequency, cable operators chose to pack channels into all of these gaps to minimize the maximum frequency carried over the cable. The result of this was that on old analog TV, without an Antenna/Cable switch setting, could only get channels 2-13 without a cable box. And some of the channels were not recieved well because they were offset slightly from the nominal broadcast frequency.
Once TV tuners were able to receive these cable frequencies directly (basically when electronically-controlled oscillators were introduced instead of inductor/capacitor tuning) you could get all be the pay channels without a set top box. And the way in which the pay signals were made unreceiveable without a subscription and a cable box were not the digital encryption used today but were various distortions of the modulation standards used for that signal.

Short summary:

The oldest TVs could only get channels 2-13 (and not necessarily that broadcast channels of the same number!) without a set top box.

Later TVs could get all but premium channels without a set top box.

Now an TV with an ATSC tuner could get digital signals directly from the cable, if only the cable provider put them on the same frequencies as the corresponding broadcast digital signals, or the TV could tune to the digital cable frequencies. On many cables there is a combination of the two right now.

Any convertor box which is designed only for broadcast will not be able to tune to the correct channel frequencies for the same digital channels through the cable. But the cable provider can still choose to carry some digital channels on the broadcast digital frequency range.

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Digital Tv

by ianmccully - 5/3/08 10:44 AM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

hope this helps

http://www.ricability-digitaltv.org.uk/

have a look and may have the answers you are looking for

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Big Brother has the answer.

by buddyfarrow - 5/3/08 11:12 AM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Go to: https://www.dtv2009.gov/ and read all about it.

"A TV connected to cable, satellite or other pay TV service does not require a TV converter box..."

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Converter Boxes

by Billie Holden - 5/3/08 11:46 AM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

As I understand it, anyone on cable or satelite dish will be ok. It is the households receiving their signals from antennas, reflectors, etc. that will need the converter boxes. The Government plans to give each household up to two coupons to help buy the new boxes. People have to request the coupons by phone or on-line, to get them.

Billie Holden, Omak, WA. 98841

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airborne digits!

by BHarris - 5/3/08 11:50 AM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

What will happen in February 2009 is that all the normal powered VHF and UHF terrestrial broadcasters have to turn off their analog (NTSC) transmitters (the ones that we've been watching since the late 1940's) and only broadcast their signals in digital, ATSC forms. Only TV's equipped with the new digital receivers (either built-in or via an external over-the-air set top tuner) and antenna combination are, or will be able to receive the digital over-the-air signals.
Many stations are broadcasting a digital signal simultaneously with their analog signals today. All but one or two stations nationwide are still transmitting their analog signals. Once these analog transmitters are turned off, then all you will see on your older sets using TV aerials or "rabbit ears" is "snow."
Cable, satellite and phone company-provided television service providers are not under any requirement to stop analog transmissions, and in fact, most don't want to switch because it will cost them huge amounts of money to do that. So, if you are watching TV on a cable or satellite receiver, you won't have to do anything.
Please keep in mind that digital does NOT mean high definition (HD) or wide screen (EDTV). Digital only refers to the signal that is sent, not what is sent as part of that signal. (Think of the signal as a pipe, and the broadcast itself as the liquid going through it -- many different liquids can flow through the same pipe, sometimes even simultaneously). High definition and standard definition and wide aspect broadcasts are just a few of many types of digital signals that television stations are able to transmit. Standard definition (SD) digital television signals are natively the same shape as the previous generation screen, described as 4:3 (the ratio of width to height). Today's new HD sets can take that signal and stretch it to fit the full width of the big screen, but not all wide screen televisions are high definition, some (extended definition, EDTV) just show a picture in a 16:9 (or so) ratio. High definition broadcasts are in that 16:9 ratio but contain a lot more information, or pixels, that give those images more detail, depth, color, and resolution.
This is the first time that the US government has legislated a change of this type -- all other changes in the broadcast systems in the US have been consumer/business-driven and have always been backward compatible, for instance, you can still watch (analog) color programming on the old black and white TVs. In order to make this transition less costly to the consumer, the US government has a program to give each of us (who requests it) one or two $40 "gift cards" to defray the cost of the converter boxes required by this legislation. Theoretically there are boxes available that cost less than that, but you would have to check with the authorized retailers about it. To sign up to get these coupons you have to call the National Telecommunications Information Association, the organization that is managing the coupon program, at 1-888-388-2009 or go to their website, https://www.dtv2009.gov/.
(Be aware, once you get the coupon/card you have only 90 days to purchase the box!)
The first generation boxes, available right now, will not receive the old analog signals, so to use it now, when all the stations haven't switched to digital, you would need two antennas and a switch to change back and forth. Once the February deadline is reached, those boxes will be able to tune in all the stations that you are physically able to -- the digital antennas are not always in the same place as the analog ones, so it may be a challenge to receive some of the over-the-air signals -- requiring some antenna shifting and tuning that is different than how your rabbit ears are aimed now. Also, indoor digital antennas are more costly than the old rabbit ear types, and the roof-top aerials are different as well.
By the way, the reason I phrased my opening sentence as I did is that there is an exception to the laws (aren't there always?): low power over-the-air broadcasters are not held to the same deadline as the standard powered stations, and if you are near one, you should be able to continue watching it after the February '09 deadline.

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DTV Converter is very disappointing.

by randyb55 - 5/9/08 6:57 PM In reply to: airborne digits! by BHarris

I watch analog TV. I have bought a DTV converter and a new antennae. Tried it out and the reception was dreadful. The picture freezes and sound disappears. The converter is a waste of money. You will need to participate in one of the paid services. I have decided to stop watching broadcast TV.

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re: DTV Converter is very disappointing

by gmclam - 5/9/08 11:06 PM In reply to: DTV Converter is very disappointing. by randyb55

Some converters are horrible. Seriously, over-the-air digital TV is the best kept secret in America. Pictures look better than via ANY other means available to consumers (unless you are over 50 miles or so from the transmitters). If you are getting analog TV, you should be able to get digital. However, your analog TV might be on VHF and your digital TV is currently on UHF, which means the same antenna (system) will not work.

There are a lot of resources on the web to help you out. I suggest going to antennaweb.org and entering your zip code and see what it tells you.

One more thing worth mentioning; many stations will be moving their digital signal after 2/17/09. It will be named the same, but could got from UHF to VHF or visa versa. So what you get or don't get today might change later.

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TV - analog vs. Digital

by sheldon925 - 5/3/08 1:26 PM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I'd like the straight scoop on what happens to TV reception next year. Specifically, will my several analog TVs that are connected directly to cable still function? Or will I need a converter box on each of them?

A. If your TV's are connected directly to the cable, and you do not have a cable box installed, you will have to go to your cable company and install a cable box. This will convert the new digital signal to analog. You will probably get more channels, and the hookup is easier than hooking up a VCR or DVR.

TV store salesmen say I will need a box on each.

A. True. If you split the signal you will only be able to watch the same channel on each TV.

But I understood that the cable companies would continue to send both analog and digital signals over the cable. Only the 'over-the-airwaves broadcasting' would be free of analog signals so those receiving TV via antenna will need a box on each analog TV. Is that correct?

A. Currently the cable company is transmitting both analog and digital. It is my understanding that most cable companies will discontinue their analog signals.

Simple question, but I had to get the simple answer. Either I'm OK as is, or I need a bunch of boxes. If you can give me clear and definitive answer, that would be much appreciated! Thank you very much.

A. You're welcome.

Sheldon F.

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Converter boxes for over-the-air broadcasts only

by albizzia - 5/3/08 1:43 PM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

That salesman was trying to sell converter boxes. Cable companies are not required to go "digital" as they don't use the public airwaves, they can continue sending analog signals to their customers as long as they like. If your cable company does decide to go "all digital", they would have to provide converter boxes as needed, or loose customers. DirecTV and Dish Network sattelite TV have always been digital and always provide the converters.

If you think you might be without cable and have to rely on an antenna in the future, and can't afford a new TV, then go ahead and get a converter box as a precaution. Otherwise, don't bother.

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DTV 2009

by keegan95 - 5/3/08 2:53 PM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I was confused about this also when I first heard about it. At least from what I know, if you have cable or satellite, you will not need to upgrade. The transition only applies to the airwaves, as you said. So, basically, you're okay as long as you aren't using rabbit ears.

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Great minds think somewhat similarly

by btljooz - 5/3/08 3:12 PM In reply to: DTV 2009 by keegan95

I didn't even see your post, keegan, until AFTER I had submitted mine. LOL!!! :^0

"DTV 2009" on the Beam [sic]! :^0 ]:) :^0

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DTV 2009

by btljooz - 5/3/08 3:07 PM In reply to: Please clarify the digital TV (DTV) transition in 2009 by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Here, this link gives all the info you need an then some:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html

It explains things better than one can in the space given here. AND it gives a lot of other resources for info, etc. as well.

Hope this helps. Good luck! :)

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