Buzz Out Loud Lounge: CNET hates Microsoft, so does Google
That's a stretch of a claim.
by R. Proffitt
- 4/23/08 12:46 PM
In reply to: Code is gone by George Gray
The underlying code for printf, etc and more has not changed in decades. Are you trying to tell me they rewrote that too?
-> I might be a little too well armed here. I've been in the game since before CP/M. I've written code from mainframe days and continuing on till yesterday (not that I'm quitting!)
It would be quite a claim to write MS wrote it from scratch.
Bob
OK...
by George Gray - 4/23/08 4:09 PM In reply to: That's a stretch of a claim. by R. Proffitt
Ok, you've been around a long time. So have I. I never said they wrote CP/M and certainly did not imply that. They did not even write DOS-as I stated, Seattle Computer did and used CP/M as the model. All I am stating is what I've read on various blogs and from Microsoft. Supposedly, starting with the XP codestream, they started pulling out support for some of those esoteric things like Xenix and Posix. Supposedly, they pulled all of that legacy stuff out of Vista/Server 2008.
As for printf, how do you know?
How do I know about printf?
by R. Proffitt - 4/24/08 9:01 AM
In reply to: That's a stretch of a claim. by R. Proffitt
When you ask for the C runtime for Visual Studio its in there.
I only mentioned my background, not a word that Microsoft had a thing to do with CP/M but we did run GW-Basic from Microsoft on our CP/M machines if you must know.
Let's pop the hood and look deep inside what pieces of the OS they let us see such as the libraries they build with. If we do that we find they didn't write it but build it from the AT&T UNIX code they acquired that license to decades ago.
Bob
R Proffit...
by George Gray - 4/23/08 4:48 PM In reply to: Foul? by R. Proffitt
Sorry, I misread your post. You were not implying anything about CP/M. Still don't know about the printf thing...how do you know what they've done with? At any rate, I was kind of agreeing with you. Microsoft bought it's first operating system, and it's second and was working with IBM on another...
George. Oops.
by R. Proffitt - 4/24/08 9:02 AM
In reply to: R Proffit... by George Gray
Sorry, but I didn't read the above in time. My apology on the CP/M, GW-Basic comment.
No problem..
by George Gray - 4/24/08 12:46 PM In reply to: George. Oops. by R. Proffitt
Ah, GW-Basic...who could forget that. That, and a bevy of 'Tiny Basic's were my best friends for years. Kind of sad, eh?
A not built here attitude
by Nicholas Buenk - 4/22/08 10:31 PM In reply to: To be fair to Microsoft by stuohy1Does not help a company do a good job on an OS.
Vista Bashing and C|NET
by Scottman - 4/24/08 10:22 PM In reply to: I've suspected this too by George GrayI don't think it's just C|NET that's gone sour on Vista. Most of the (normally) pro-Microsoft and (normally) anti-Apple crowd like Patrick Norton and Chris Pirillo have been heaping their abuse on Vista. This, to me, seems to go way beyond the normal resistance you would expect with a new operating system.
Most of what I've been hearing is that if you are one of the silent majority that has not been experiencing difficulty with Vista then you are happy with it and Vista is great. If you are one of those that have been encountering problems with it, then you are probably experiencing very painful problems with it. There doesn't seem to be that 'happy middle ground' where Vista is concerned, where, yes, there are problems but you can live with them.
In all the time I used XP, there were always nagging little problems that you just learned to live with, and areas where you just learned not to poke at.
But, there have been so many loud complaints against Vista in the last five months or so that I'm starting to believe that there is a legitimacy to the complaints. I have only played with Vista on the Computers at Best Buy, and I've helped a few people try to diagnose some WiFi connectivity problems they were experiencing, and overall it felt better than XP. But, I haven't tried to use it as my base OS, so I don't know what that is like.
All that to say, I don't see a strong anti-MS or strong pro-Apple stance from CNET as a whole. Brian Cooley is pretty outspoken against Apple. Molly uses both MS and Apple products, and is lightning quick to criticize what she thinks is wrong. Tom is usually pro-Apple, but he will point out flaws in products he uses.
A reasonable post...but
by Slikkster - 4/25/08 5:37 AM In reply to: Vista Bashing and C|NET by ScottmanNo offense to Norton or Pirillo, but I don't really give a rat's *** what they think about Vista, or anything for that matter. That's my point. They are just part of the techno-chattering class, and, at least regarding one of the two, I think the case can be made that he believes his own press clippings.
Sorry, but I just don't elevate individuals to some higher degree of knowledge or understanding just by virtue of having a tech column, podcast, or the like. And don't get me wrong, MY OPINION IS NO MORE IMPORTANT. So, I'm certainly not trying to elevate MY opinion above theirs. But they're just opinions, and you know the old adage about those. They're like xxxholes; everyone has one.
Bottom line: It really makes no difference who has the bigger soapbox to rail against this or that. It doesn't make anything necessarily true or real OR IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE. Joe Jackson's got a great line from one of his 80's tunes called "Sunday Papers". It goes like this: "I've got nothing against the press. They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true." That pretty much sums it up.
Vista now lives on millions of PC's. If there were really the incredible failures or annoyances that we are lead to believe because of various "media" outlets, Microsoft would have had to pull the damn thing off the market. As I've said before, I just think there are more outlets (blogs, podcasts, forums, etc.) for people to scream out of.
That said, I'm not here proclaiming Vista's perfection. It's obvious that some people have issues. But things were absolutely NO different when XP first came to the fore. There were tons of annoyances or issues that had to be ironed out, and many not the fault of MS. Many were the fault of MS. But XP survived, and now, all of the sudden, is this prized OS that people don't want to give up for big, bad Vista. It's hilarious that people just don't remember.
I guess so
by Nicholas Buenk - 4/19/08 7:48 PM In reply to: CNET hates Microsoft, so does Google by PortVistaAlthough to be fair, everyone uses google earth, but who uses Virtual Earth.
YouTube maps vs 3D maps
by PortVista - 4/21/08 12:40 PM In reply to: I guess so by Nicholas BuenkLooks like a lot more people use Virtual Earth if you go by number of 3D models. Of course if you need YouTube videos embedded in your maps then Google Earth is the clear winner. :P
Check out Disney World in 3D!
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