I see almost NO new desktop systems and very few laptop systems for sale with less than 2 GB of RAM these days, and RAM is so RIDICULOUSLY inexepnsive right now, someone would have to be OFF HIS ROCKER to buy a system with less than 2 GB of RAM -- especially if it's a system running Vista Home Premium (which almost ALL new systems for home use have).
As for dedicated vs. integrated video, for the usually MINOR price difference, I also think you'd have to be pretty tight for finances to go with integrated video, for MOST of the reasons stated above. Any system worth considering COMES with some sort of video card, ALTHOUGH many of them may not come with the card you'd prefer.
Here's an example. I'm using a Dell XPS 410 I bought in mid-November 2006 (waited a bit longer than I'd planned so I'd get a free upgrade to Vista, which was a real hassle getting to run right for a LONG time). It has a Core-2-duo processor running at 2.4 Ghz (which was the fastest you could get without spending an extra $400 at the time, i.e. "the sweet spot") and came with 2 GB of of 667 Mhz RAM, a dual-tuner TV card (which works with BOTH tuners only when it FEELS like it), gigabit ethernet and the standard 56K modem that basically just wastes a PCI slot... plus an nVidia 7300Le video card, which was THE "low-end video card" in both Dell AND HP systems at the time...
The card I WANTED was the 7600 (which was the TOP-END card offered in the HP systems), but Dell didn't offer that card as an upgrade and I didn't like the card they DID offer, so I got my system with the 7300 and bought the most "souped-up" version of the 7600 I could find when I caught it on sale at Circuit City (7600 GT KO... it had 256 MB of RAM built in -- I THINK the 7300 ALSO had 256 MB of RAM, but it was slower in other ways -- video cards have OTHER stats to look at, as well, such as how fast their PROCESSORS run, as they have THEIR OWN, built-in processors AND "shader clocks," and some of that stuff I don't really understand, either, I just know faster is better)...
Anyway, here's the really interesting part... I installed this 256 MB card, and then the nVidia control panel, then later when I checked it and looked at all the stats, I noticed my TOTAL video memory was 768 MB... In other words, although I had a DEDICATED CARD, it was enabling an EXTRA 512 MB of my 2 GB of System RAM when it needed it...
Now HERE'S where it gets REALLY interesting... A few months later, when RAM got REALLY cheap (at least I thought so... it's DIRT CHEAP by comparison NOW to what it was a year ago when I thought it was REALLY cheap) I bought another 2 GB and maxed my system out to 4 GB. What I didn't know at the time was that since I'm using a 32-bit version of Vista, it can NEVER "address" the entire 4 GB of RAM, so the system won't even RECOGNIZE the whole 4 GB, even though I can run startup utilities that show it's all there... HOWEVER, my Video card NOTICED... Just recently, I ran the nVidia Control Panel again, just to snoop around, and Lo and Behold, my Total Video Memory is NOW 1,534 MB, with a total of 1,278 MB "Shared System Memory."
Soooo, long story short, even if you DO get a really good system with a really good video card, there's a chance the card MIGHT "borrow" some of your system memory for video memory use, BUT you'll still have plenty to spare for the system, as even with 1,278 MB used for video, I still have basically 3.75 GB of RAM left for my SYSTEM, and before, even with 512 MB shared with the video, I still had 1.5 GB left for the system.
Even if you have to cut somewhere else, get a system with at least 2 GB of RAM, and a video card with at least 256 MB of RAM -- preferably something at least 8600 level, or higher (or ATI equivalent), so you can use the newer graphics features. You can get one of these cards, right now, after rebate for about $70 online, and MANY new computers come with one of them installed.
Good luck!
Jeff
There's a lot of very good info in the replies I've read so far. There are a few "Big Box" websites that offer some serious insight (along with a few vwry good buys) whether you plan to go with a major maker's PC, a local builder's machine or build one yourself. One can pick up a lot of info poking around sites such as www.tigerdirect.com. They have a bunch of suitable machines and hardware to build your own as well as serious quantity of help videos etc.
I personally like an ACER machine they have listed now for the use you describe. It's their Acer AM5100-U5313A. It, at $649, has features beyond the AM5100 series AMD Quad core machines listed on ACER's own website. It combines high performance by today's standards with very good expandability (the latter based on ports and slots built in, used and unused).
Yes you read that right. Of courtse I risk being tied to a processor and used as a heatsink for saying that but i think it's true.
For general system performace, a good disk subsystem will give more benefit than the video card.
Oh yes- and make sure your chosen system has a slot for a video card in case, down the road, you do decide to get a super-dooper card and play some serious games. The good news is that if you wait a while before buying the video card - it will be cheaper. or more powerfuil. Or if you wait long enough - both.
I'm sure you've already seen the tech stuff. 'shared' is the cheap way - steal some system ram to use for video ram. It's cheap and easy, does cut down ram available for programs but if you start with 2GB ram and hack it back to 1 3/4 GB ram - who cares? It also slows the processor aq little since the RAM is partly busy with video ut again for almost every purpose - it makes no detectable difference.
Dedicated ram/video ram.. yeah it's going to be better especially for gaming. and probably only for gaming. It's usually faster ram, doesn't hold up the CPU and will play games better. and cost an extra $200+ if you want to have a card that will make a really noticeable difference. But only for games.
One thing I've not sorted out yet is PCIE video cards (I ought to read thihs entire thread for some gems here) because I think PCIe has a way of having some dedicated ram and dipping into systemn ram as needed to enhance the on-board ram. but I'm not sure. so ignore me here.
but if you don't want to play serious games now - don't buy a high performance video card now.
A dedicated card will make a huge difference in any application requiring some amount of accelerated graphics. Be it photo editing, 3d modeling , playing games or anything. Shared video memory rarely has any shader support or any real good clock speeds or anything and any graphical computations are pushed off on the CPU which can put extra strain on the system...
Dedicated cards even a cheapy can run most anything better then any integrated/shared solution....
When it doubt stay away from the Big retail stores. Go to your local Mom -n-Pop store. They can spec one out for you, and then build it. It's better this way because if you need to upgrade latter you can do it yourself or take it back to them. Plus most systems you buy at a Big retail chain are already 6 months behind in the tech area.If you know how to build your own, (yes its pretty easy) then that your best bet.
I do not understand in what cases is used Shared Video Memory and when Dedicated memory or for what applications.
Basically...programs like 3D games, CAD programs, video editing, perhaps Photoshop type programs, will run faster and better with a dedicated video card with onboard dedicated memory (not shared with the system memory.) You might find graphic cards that have 128 or 256 megs dedicated with 256 megs shared. Integrated graphics means that there is no separate video card but the GPU chip is soldered directly on the motherboard and the graphic memory is obtained from (shared with) the system memory RAM.
Fastest = Dedicated video card with onboard dedicated memory
Faster = Dedicated video card using shared system memory
Slower = Integrated graphics using shared system memory
Slowest = Integrated graphics with 1K video memory.
to vb_lvr: I have understood. Thanks.
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