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Community Newsletter: Q&A: New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 4/18/08 11:26 AM
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Graphic Design PC info

by tomi57 - 4/11/08 8:38 PM In reply to: New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I currently use a Dell XPS 400 and after upgrading to 4gb ram and xfx 8800 GT graphics card upgrade (along with 470 watt silence power supply) I have never looked back. I use the PC for heavy graphic work (Adobe CS2 and Premier video editing. I have looked at the dell 410 and think it worthy, my only concern is the Vista OS. I use XP pro and will have to be pulled Kickin' and screamin' to Vista.

Hope this helps!

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New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs

by ajbabao - 4/11/08 11:09 PM In reply to: New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

As a recommendation since you are focused more on on multimedia editing software you will just really need reliable PC components that will ensure you get the job done without issues.

For starters RAM. utilizing DDR2,2 gig running the 800Mhz will be of real use to your editing software. I use quite a lot of editing software just to name a few Adobe Photoshop, Ulead's VideoStudio 11 and some cute Hallmark Card studio for my kids. 2 Gig of RAM running at 800Mhz should be of great value and use to you I use the Trancend Line running at timings 5-5-5 running 1.8 volts. a pair running 1 gig each should be sufficient to handle most video editing software multitasker within XP as well as Vista.

Second: Would be The motherboard. I chose to upgrade to an intel D975XBX2 Type motherboard because of it's reliability factor with applications. I've left this PC to sleep sometimes 24 hours a day even 48 hours and i haven't had a single serious crash that would leave me dead in the water. I've had this board for a year now and no issues yet. My former board was an intel 946GZIS found on ACER's PC Desktop line but i needed more speed in video and photo editing/ processing i've witnessed hard drives in SATA configuration and RAID functionality increases speed and reliability on apllications. better results than IDE counterparts

Third: The CPU i use an intel Core2Duo E4500 running at 2.20 on my current D975 series motherboard It's quiet, doesn't heat up that much, gives you plenty of processing power and yet fit for budget conscious people like me.

Fourth would be the video card. I ran gaming video cards on my motherboards because it gave me room for both occasional gaming, video editing,photo editing and intensive browsing. You will find Nvidia and ATi's line to be of Good competitive value. I recommend if you don't really play graphic intesive games with children like Halo2,gears of war,witcher,Hellgate,company of heroes and it's variants a modern video card in PCI-E type slot running at 256DDR2 will suit most photo editing software and extra 512MB running at DDR2 will give you more resolution power. and should be more than enough.

Fifth: hard drives.I've used generation 1 and 2 SATA drives in 80 and 120 up to 320gig sizes. standard would be 80 gig SATA, 120 will give you plenty of room you can opt to add another drive and use it as a backup for all your photo and video files. but it's cheaper getting a DVD writer and use it to burn your colletion of files and save it for years to come.

Always remember use a PC casing with lots of ventilation.Graphic applications will involve you hours of uninterrupted experimentation and work.

lastly Monitors. 17 inch and 19 inch monitors both LCD and CRT types will get the job done, If you need more space i can recommend LCD's capable of Wide screen orientation. But slightly older and much cheaper CRT's have better overall resolution for video editing but they consume more electricity than the LCD as well as desk space.
i was lucky enough to purchase at a reasonable price the viewsonic VG1930wm. But there are other LCD's in the market which are highly competitive such as MAG, HANSSG,Samsung etc.. Choose the best Price yet make sure the technology behind the LCD panel comes from a reliable manufacturer. don't go for cheap ones that break down easily.

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Idea for pc for graphically intensive programs

by steveflett - 4/12/08 2:23 AM In reply to: New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I use a pc that I built myself. Similarly to yourself, I use graphically intense programs such as Studio 8, PSP9 and X2, Photoshop etc.
As such I use a dual boot machine using both XP Pro and XP Pro 64bit Operating Systems, as a sytem build using the 32bit OS can only use up to 3Gb of memory and the 64bit OS can use upwards of that, I use 4Gb.
I also use a dual core AMD 4.6Gb 64+ processor which I find adiquate for most, if not all programs. I have found however that some of the old single core processors work at speeds faster that the dual core ones. I cannot advise on quads as I believe that unless you are a business/power user, a quad processor is unnessesary.

Admittedly there are some problems accossiated with a 64bit Operating System but as I have found out recently, these problems have not been resolved in Vista 64bit either so your probably right not to upgrade anyway. Problems include problems using Flash/Shockwave, Quicktime, realplayer (Basically all media players) as these problems don't work properly and don't work in internet explorer 64bit.There are also problems getting divers for some common hardware and software. Obviously there are ways around these problems and if you can put up with these then your sorted!

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New PC recommendation for graphic intensive programs

by Kzac Hawk - 4/12/08 4:53 AM In reply to: New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Lets start
I have worked in both the PC and Mac world concerning the very graphics programs you are referring to. If you are considering sticking to a PC you need to remember this.

1) Windows does not make PCs they write software that is required to fit a wide range of component parts, what this means is that the software has a broad and wide range and is not very specific. It is tested on the main stream of PCs to be workable and some of the mainstream software packages, to be functional (ie mostly Microsoft software).

2) PCs are just an assembly of component parts, that were are designed individually. If the assembly of these components is not tested to perform as a whole, using every functional piece of software you are expected to use, it can result in devastating operational issues. And most certainly it will mean major frustration for the person that has assembled a dysfunctional machine (gamers can attest to this fact).

For these reasons, most graphics people buy a Mac. Because Apple designs the hardware and software. This way they work in concert with each other and perform as expected.

This is not to say that you cannot purchase a PC that will do somewhat the same, you can. however its not limited to just purchasing some components and dropping them in a case. You will need to consider purchasing a graphics design machine that has been tested to work with the software you expect to use (form folks like SGI).

The other alternative is to go to each component hardware manufacturers web site and find the related components that have been tested to function together with the software you intend to use (this can be a daunting task at best)

Remember if you fall short and have one weak area in your design, you will always have issues while you are trying to perform your graphics work. Machine lockups and loss of important files will become common place. The frustration with loosing a file just minutes before the big meeting can be crushing to your career, and believe me poor explanations about your failed hardware, only tend to make you look more incompetent.

Even with a well designed PC, if you are using windows, they are prone to virus attacks, which destroy all of your hard work. There are virus junkies that spend most of their lives in an attempt to destroy you and your work. Its amusement for them, its disaster for you, especially if this is your lively hood. The reason I mention this is that you will need to consider all of the virus protection programs that you will have to run on your PC and how they will work in concert with your graphics programs. Out of the box I can tell you that Norton (nothing against Peter personally) does not play well with Adobe products. You would need to consider Avast professional.

In summary, there are many things to consider with building the right PC, and selecting the corresponding software. If you think that there is a $59.99 solution to your current issue, that logic is most likely flawed. My assumption is that you are asking this question because your current setup was not designed as a system and you are experiencing the very issues of failure discussed.

When you decide...go with a tested solution (Mac or PC).
Just remember for graphics design the solution will most likely not be inexpensive.
Also remember with with a Mac you can run both OSX and WIndows, this can not be done with any PC that exists currently.

If this is going to be your lively hood, you need a solution that will be reliable, There's nothing worse than futzing around with your hardware and software, during a presentation. You have to make excuses and wind up looking incompetent in front of your prospective clients. Once labeled as incompetent, word gets around fast which effects your career.
Choose wisely
Kzac Hawk

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Here is a thought

by jimzim27140 - 4/12/08 7:03 AM In reply to: New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Just go to www.photoshopusertv.com and see what the Photoshop guys use!

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I recommend a MAC

by boxsterm911 - 4/12/08 7:34 AM In reply to: New PC recommendations needed for graphic-intensive programs by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

As a user of both PC and MAC, and use graphics programs on both I definitely recommend MAC as for the following reasons.

1. Graphic Intensive programs run better on MAC. Example: PC you are bound into programs switching is tougher on PC for graphics programs. MAC there is more flexibility and you can work in multiple applications at once. It just seems the programs were made to work on MAC better.
(I know since I use adobe etc.. on PC) PC feels VERY CLUNKY, and just not meant to do graphics work.

2. Crashing, I just recently had the all famous BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH on PC, and it was due to the graphics programs I was using. It was a very well loaded PC as far as memory and graphics card. 3GB DUAL CORE, etc.. Never crashed a MAC, and it runs CS3 much smoother and faster. (even if its specs are lower than PC) My MAC had lower less RAM than PC, and it still works faster.

3. PC gets bogged down and programs crash constantly. I can't the number of times PC has crashed illustrator and Quark. Seems like everyday, I have to CTRL/ ALT/ DELETE to end task.

4. No VIRUSES ON MAC, PC gets BOGGED down with virus scanning, and background programs always slow down a PC no matter how fast it is. PC just simply can't handle multiple programs that a MAC can. I can have MUCH more programs running on MAC compared to PC. PLAIN AN SIMPLE!

5. The Interface on MAC is just meant for Designing. You can get quick previews of documents, PSD files, and PDFs, watch movies, etc without opening programs. CANNOT do that on PC, and just loading all those previews will slow down PC.


BOTTOMLINE for graphic software GET A MAC! Its like a sigh of relief, you are not HOLDING your breath every time you open a picture file in photoshop, praying that Photoshop doesn't crash.

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not just graphic intensive apps

by puma - 4/12/08 7:50 AM In reply to: I recommend a MAC by boxsterm911

i agree with boxsterm911 but the Mac also runs a lot of other types of programs better than a pc, not just graphic intensive ones. windows problem is that it has a flawed OS kernel and unless microsoft fixes it, it will always be out performed by Mac systems, and the performance gap keeps getting larger as microsoft is more concerned with profits than putting out a decent product...

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AGREE MAC is SUPERIOR FOR GRAPHIC INTENSIVE WORK

by boxsterm911 - 4/12/08 7:59 AM In reply to: not just graphic intensive apps by puma

I agree puma, Especially now since the line betweeen MAC and PC is thin. They said the fastest PC to run VISTA was a MAC. I have used mac for video EDITING, AUDIO EDITING, graphic design work. I was at a show where they were trying to project videos off a PC, and we went through 3 PCs they all CRASHED and could not handle running video. I brought out my mac, and connected it. Everything ran 100x smoother.

I forgot to mention this the LEOPARD preview of documents, you can PREVIEW a large version of a Photoshop document with out even OPENING photoshop, as well as illustrator, PDF, VIDEO, AUDIO. It is KEY if you are designing. The interface is just so much better to work in compared to PC. I Dread going to work and designing on PC.

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A bad workman blames his tools

by IanMatthew - 4/20/08 12:05 PM In reply to: AGREE MAC is SUPERIOR FOR GRAPHIC INTENSIVE WORK by boxsterm911

Current software is 98-99% compatible on both Mac OS and Windows. Why is the interface in Photoshop, Illustrator or InDesign on Windows XP that much differnt than Mac OSX? Much of this 'differnce' is imaginary - it has to be!

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PC's ARE as good as Mac's for graphics

by IanMatthew - 4/19/08 12:50 PM In reply to: I recommend a MAC by boxsterm911

Let's kill this myth once and for all! This is not 1988 or 1993 where PC's were definatly behind. In those days, Mac software was better, had more features and was better supported.

Now the tables have turned to a degree. Firstly, all those who swear blind that "all pros use Macs" have not done thier homework. I can think of many printshops using PC's. Signwriters too. The local paper in my city uses QuarkXpress on Windows XP. And this paper saells 200,000+ copies a day!!!

Secondly, the Mac is more likley to be sidelined by Adobe, MS, Corel, etc. Remember Adobe Premier? it only came back to the Mac platform in CS3. prior to this it was absent for a period. FrameMaker? Available on the Mac? Uh...no. Not in its latest version, Windows only. Acrobat Pro? More features in the Windows version. CorelDraw? No more Mac version since version 11, Windows version 14 and counting. Canvas? Originally a Mac app, true. However, even ACD Systems have gone Windows only.

This should worry Mac users as this leaves Adobe with a high-end vector graphics monoply esp with the junking of Freehand. Windows users have much more choice.

And the future? Well, its been announced that Windows 64bit will be the platform of choice for Photoshop CS4 which will inlude a 64bit option. Mac users will have to wat till CS5 for 64bit photoshop.

As of now, Macs have NO advantage over Windows in the publishing and graphics arena. Oh, and I use CS3 Design Premium on a Windows Vista PC.

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Who ever would use a Mac?

by chappejw - 4/19/08 1:09 PM In reply to: PC's ARE as good as Mac's for graphics by IanMatthew

Those of you who keep bringing up Abobe and how Windows is compatible with it. Hey listen, Adobe sits on a java virtual machine, which means that any OS be it Windows, Mac, Linux or whatever, if it has Java installed it can run it. I am a Linux user, although, if purchasing a computer I would purchase a Mac... Those Mac / PC commercials are so funny, but then comedy is about tragedy...

Who ever would use a Mac? Here's who...

Tim Allen, actor
Harry Anderson, actor
Dan Aykroyd, actor
Lauren Bacall, actress
Valerie Bertinelli, actress
Katheryn Bigelow, director "Strange Days"
Sandra Bullock, actress
Drew Carey, actor
Marc Caro, director Delicatessen la citE des enfants perdus
Doug Chang, Lucas Films graphic artist "Forrest Gump, "Star Wars"
Lee Chemel, TV Director
Art Clokey, creator of Gumby
Dabney Coleman, actor
Stephen Collins, actor Star Trek movie, Jumpin Jack Flash
Kevin Costner, actor
Tom Cruise, actor/producer "Mission Impossible"
Geena Davis, actress
Danny DeVito, actor/director
Barry Diller show-biz/entertainment-biz biggie
Richard Donner, director/producer "Free Willy" and "Lethal Weapon"
Clint Eastwood, actor, and his accountant too
Sally Field, actress
Wendy Finerman, producer "Forrest Gump"
Harrison Ford, actor
Jodie Foster, actress
Mel Gibson and family, actor
Tom Hanks, actor
Renny Harlin, director/producer "Friday the 13th", "Cutthroat Island"
Mariel Hemingway, actress
Buck Henry, writer/director,actor "To Die For"
Dustin Hoffman, actor
Samuel L. Jackson, actor
Steven Charles Jaffe, director "Strange Days"
Ann Jillian, actress
Nicole Kidman, actress
John Laroquette, actor
Spike Lee, director/writer/actor "Do The Right Thing", "Malcolm X"
Rush Limbaugh, radio and tv personality
George Lucas, director/producer "Star Wars", "Indiana Jones"
Marlee Matlin, actress
Alyssa Milano, actress
Robert Morton, producer
Dennis Muren, head special effects huncho, ILM
Geoff Murphy, director "Freejack" and "Under Siege II"
Conan O'Brien, TV personality
Rosie O'Donnell, actress/comedian
Mike Okuda (Scenic Arts director - Star Trek, TNG, DS9, and Voyager)
Sydney Pollack, director including "The Way We Were" and "The Firm"
Maury Povich, TV talk show host/personality
Jerry Seinfeld, actor/comedian
Joel Schumacher, director/producer, "Batman Forever"
Andrew Shue, actor
Sinbad, actor/comedian
John Singleton, writer/director "Boyz in the Hood", "Higher Learning"
Wesley Snipes, actor
Sly Stallone, actor
Darren Star, creator "90210" and "Melrose Place"
Oliver Stone, director/producer "Scarface","JFK", "Nixon"
Sharon Stone, actress
John Tesh, actor
Irwin Winkler, director/producer "Good Fellas" and "The Net"
Robert Zemeckis, director "Forrest Gump" and "Back to the Future"

Musicians:

Bryan Adams, singer/musician
"Aerosmith", group
Tori Amos, singer
Laurie Anderson, musician
"The Beastie Boys", group
Bjork, singer
Bono, singer/musician U2
George Clinton, President Clinton's brother and musician
Sheryl Crow, Grammy award-winning singer
Thomas Dolby, musician
Front 242, music group
Peter Gabriel, musician
Jerry Garcia, musician
Mickey Gilley, singer (country western)
Dave Gilmour singer/musician
Amy Grant, singer (gospel/pop/ac)
Grateful Dead, music group
Arlo Guthrie, musician
Jan Hammer, musician/composer famous Miami Vice Soundtrack
Herbie Hancock, musician
Ben Heppner, opera singer
Ice T, singer-rapper
Joe Jackson, musician
Michael Jackson (rumored, not confirmed)
Howard Jones, musician
John Paul Jones, musician formerly bassist w/Led Zeppelin
Quincy Jones, musician/producer
Stanley Jordan, musician
B.B. King, musician
Cyndi Lauper, singer
Cole Lloyd, musician
Courtney Love, singer Hole
Madonna, singer
Mannheim Steamroller, music group
MC Solaar, musician/rap
Meredith Monk, vocalist
New Order, music group
Prince (or the artist formerly known as)
Lou Rawls, singer
Trent Reznor, musician - Nine Inch Nails
Rolling Stones, music group
Jeff Rona, composer (Chicago Hope TV soundtrack, author)
Todd Rundgren, musician
Buffy Sainte-Marie, musician
Joe Satriani, musician
Paul Schaffer, musician
Jason Scheff, bass player/lead singer for Chicago
SEAL, musician
Gene Simmons, musician - KISS
Simply Red, music group
John Tesh, musician
Rabin Trevor, guitarist - YES
Eddie VanHalen, musician
Neil Young, musician
Hans Zimmer, THE Hollywood composer "The Lion King", "Beverly Hills Cop",etc...

Authors/Writers/Publishers/Poets:

Douglas Adams, Writer
Scott Adams, Cartoonist
Marty Basch, Writer
Gerry Callahan, senior writer Sports Illustrate
Tom Clancy, writer
Douglas Cooper, novelist
Richard Dawkins, biologist/author
Barbara De Angelis, author "The Love Doctor"
Roger Ebert, film critic
Malcolm Forbes, Jr., publisher
William Gibson, writer
David Guterson, author "Snow Falling on Cedars"
J.C. Herz, writer Playboy, Wired, plus books
Douglas Hofstadter, former Scientific American columnist and author
D Knowledge, poet
G. Gordon Liddy, colunmnist
John McTiernan, writer
Steve Perry, author "Shadows of the Empire"
Mario Puzzo, author The Godfather series
John Singleton, writer/director "Boyz in the Hood", "Higher Learning"
Bruce Sterling, writer
Martha Stewart, publisher/editor "Living"
Bob Thave, cartoonist "Frank and Ernest"

Others:

Troy Aikman, Quarterback Dallas Cowboys
Buzz Aldrin, astronaut
Shoukei Arai, House of Representatives, Japan
Robert Ballar
Paul Baran, early internet pioneer
Bill Berner, Athletic Director University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Philippe Decoufle choregraphed Olympic Game opening in Albertville
Roy Disney, Disney Family
Michael Eisner, CEO Disney Corp.
Larry Ellison, Chairman, CEO and Founder Oracle Corp.
Kinky Friedman
Dr. Roger Guillemin, M.D., Ph.D, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology
Vaclav Havel, Czech Presiden
Colin Hunter Virology Laboratories,Univ. of Maryland at Baltimore
Paul MacCready inventor, flying wing Pathfinder
Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Nobel Laureate
Elizabeth Mason
Irene Mecchi
Edgar Morin, French philosopher, sociologist, science theoretician
Sandis Ozolinsh, Defenseman Colorado AvalancheFidel V. Ramos, President of the Republic of the Philippines
Ann Richards, former Texas Governor, politician
Greg Roach
Wayne A. Root
Stephen Sprouse, designer
Debi Thomas, ice skater
Isacc Tigret, founder the Hard Rock Cafe and House of Blues
Osel Hita Torres, Tibetan lama
Happy Walters
Kristi Yamaguchi, Olympic Gold Medal ice skater
Boris Yeltsin's, Russian President

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So? You just proved my point for me.

by b_laur14 - 4/19/08 1:41 PM In reply to: Who ever would use a Mac? by chappejw

The people you named who use macs are all actors, and people that aren't tech savvy! they are actors and producers and music people who do not develop software, or use computers for business, or gaming, or complex 3d art...these are people who like my mom, probably only use it to surf the net or download some mp3s. Any serious musican probably is using a pc too, as the mac doesn't have many professional music software suites. And no garage band is not for professional musicians. The mac is limited. I use my pc for everything imaginable! I have over a terabyte of software, games, movies, apps, photos, development ides, graphic programs, internet programs etc.. I build the pc myself, with top of the line hardware at a decent price off places like newegg.com. Any problems or upgrades i want to do, i can do myself, without going out of my way and paying exorbitant prices and giving apple a big chunck of money at the apple store. Give me a break, that list may be impressive to a simpleton, or a teenager, who feels like products should be bought because of popularity, or because they are so simple to use that even a retart could use them (take the one button mouse as an example)

Windows is easy to use too, but its the fact that you can customize a pc, with custom cases, custom ram, gfx, hds, sound cards, keyboards, mice, etc... and have full control on your system. If I didn't have windows, i would still use a pc, but use linux. The only reason i don't use linux as my os of choice right now is the lack of games and lack of retail software, the same things that plague the mac, but unlike the mac, linux has open source mentality and its based on openess and choice! Something you mac heads don't get or just don't care about. You want people to make decisions for you. You want to follow trends because some actor or some tv guy that the commercials make young looking tells you so. The tv commercials are like political slander, instead of praising the mac the talk smack on the pc, why? Because there is nothing to praise about the mac. ITs like the kid who picked on others to make himself feel good, but deep down, he/she was feeling incompetent.

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Who's proving points for who?

by chappejw - 4/19/08 7:01 PM In reply to: So? You just proved my point for me. by b_laur14

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about..! Mac can run all the same open source software that runs on Linux..!! Mac/Linux/Unix are all derivative operating systems of Unix. Mac is based on the FreeBSD OS. Mac OSX Leopard and the versions previous all come with the GCC compiler collection, text editors and all ready for developers, you know tools for the tech savy. You can customize a Mac all you want actually. There's no limitation. You can even plug in a 2 button wheel mouse and it will work fine on a Mac if you want.

You mentioned some kick ass systems, well Mac Pro now comes stock with dual quad core Xeon processor. That's eight 64bit cores.!! You can address up to 2 terrabytes of RAM should RAM technology ever surpass it's current sizes per slot.

http://www.apple.com/macpro/technology/processor.html

To build a custom Windows PC of this quality from scratch would cost more than $3500 bucks and you would likely not be able to get it all working under Linux if you chose that route, unless you are a programmer. I believe the Mac Pro with dual Xeon quad core goes for under $3000. If that's alot of money for you, then you are out of your league.

World69Star says - "Any serious musican probably is using a pc too, as the mac doesn't have many professional music software suites."... umm ha ha ha ha..!

(Google is your friend...)

Probably...? that just says it all dude... The point you just proved here is that you do not read or know anything about what you are posting. Musicians happen to be some of the most tech savy people on the planet and the most professional software in use is made for Mac. How much professional work is really done with Mac? The majority. Each time you see a professional interviewed on TV, an Astronomer, Programmer, Engineer, Movie producer, animator, or anyone who does technical world... take look in the background you will often notice they have a Mac somewhere in the vicinity, because it's the best tool for even the most complex of tasks. Nobody has time to take time out of their work day at that level to register and download tools to clean the Windows registry, or do virus scans, spyware/adware scans..! If you have to rely on a rock stable operating system that just works, then you will be using a Mac.

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Nice cut and paste job

by IanMatthew - 4/20/08 10:52 AM In reply to: Who ever would use a Mac? by chappejw

Boris Yelstin??? A Mac user in the afterlife???

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Finally someone on this site who isn't a blind mac fanboy!

by b_laur14 - 4/19/08 2:18 PM In reply to: PC's ARE as good as Mac's for graphics by IanMatthew

I agree with everything you say! its all about choice! The mac has no native software, the only way to run stuff not avialable to osx is by running boot camp and windows xp. That kinda defeats the point of owning a mac now doesn't it? Why buy a machine to run an operating system that isn't even supported by the closed hardware Barron apple? Its all about choice and options, this is where windows pc's succeed. Individuals and companies have the choice to use the software they like best. Programming is easy to do and no approval needs to be made before and application can be brought to market. Apple should be competing with dell and not pc's in their commercials as all they are is a closed system pc with a different os.

I too work in the design business, I work for a website design company, who specializes in real estate web solutions and database driven dynamic custom sites. All our graphics programing everything is done on windows machines. We host all our servers on linux run systems. We have one dusty mac sitting in a corner for testing purposes and tech support for the .5% of people who own them.

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