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HDD camcorders video quality are bad?
by zp411 - 4/1/08 5:30 PMi saw bestbuy has jvc hdd camcorder on sale with good price,
JVC Everio 30GB HDD.
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10097978&catid=23294&logon=&langid=EN
and I read some articles on CNET,they said DV tape has better quality than hdd,it is true?
if I use hdd camcorder to record some uncompressed video,and bured to DVD, playing on Project screen like 40'', will it look good?
because I am trying to start a amateur film-making hobby club, cheaper hdd movie is good for me?
thanx
Not bad, just not the best.
by R. Proffitt
- 4/1/08 6:29 PM
In reply to: HDD camcorders video quality are bad? by zp411
There are always trade offs.
"if I use hdd camcorder to record some uncompressed video,and bured to DVD, playing on Project screen like 40'', will it look good?"
If you think DVD at 40" looks good then it will be fine.
thanx
by zp411 - 4/1/08 6:40 PM In reply to: Not bad, just not the best. by R. Proffitt
how far does it compare with dvdrip ?
Sorry.
by R. Proffitt - 4/2/08 5:58 AM
In reply to: thanx by zp411
I haven't seen those in the stores.
if you are serious about the video quality,
by boya84 - 4/5/08 2:46 PM In reply to: HDD camcorders video quality are bad? by zp411then you need to get "best available"...
Generally, the professionals (in any industry) will gravitate to the "best" as soon as it is made available.
There are many reasons why professionals continue to capture and edit DV and HDV. They have not embraced highly compressed, lesser quality, video in the consumer formats.
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/minisites/HDV/products.shtml
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=172
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO1.1
http://www.panasonic.com/business/provideo/cat_camcorders.asp
Are the other formats going to provide "bad" video? No. But it will not be "best available" video, either. This does not mean that you need to buy pro gear - but you can use the same storage format they use without compromising quality.
One other MAJOR thing you need to consider if you want to start making "films" - Your camcorder should have a mic-in jack. There are other features (like manual audio control and some other manual capabilities, but the external mic will be the biggest deal.
The least expensive miniDV tape based camcorders - of which I am currently aware - with external mic jacks are the Canon ZR800, ZR900 and ZR930. The least expensive camcorders - of which I am currently aware - with an external mic jack and manual audio control are the Canon HV20, HV30, Sony HDR-HC7 and HC9.
A word of cuation about going HD
by birdbrainz - 4/7/08 12:10 PM In reply to: if you are serious about the video quality, by boya84I agree with the above, and having just spent 3 weeks with a Canon HG10, here's my two cents:
Get a high quality Mini DV. Mini DV is 25 Mb/s lossless compression. The HG10 is 15 Mb/s HD, so there's a lot of compression going on. The problem with HDD camcorders is that they all employ some type of lossy compression on the fly. If it makes a poor decision on compression, you're stuck with it.
Also, the quality of your footage depends on the camera used, so get a good one, and use a tripod. I use a Panasonic PV-GS500.
As for HD vs non-HD, I urge you to think about your final product. If it's a standard DVD, there's no point in shooting HD. Also, based on what's available today, you're entering the world of pain when it comes to editing and authoring of HD video. Just read the forums. I could barely play the movie clips using my 1.8 GHz Core2Duo desktop, much less edit them.
The HG10 is a super camera, and if all I wanted to do is show my captured videos on my big HD flatscreen straight from the camcorder, I'd be in heaven. Unfortunately, I want to build DVDs, and my new mini-DV camcorder fits the bill perfectly.
High definition camcorder - Image quality
by JayVeeCee - 4/8/08 12:30 PM In reply to: A word of cuation about going HD by birdbrainzWould it not be better if participants in the forum distinguish themselves as either a consumer or a technical individual? This will give those who would like to help to responsd accordingly.
Sometimes I noticed the initiator of the the topic was asking for a simple, non-technical information and somebody would respond with an expanded technical solution/answer. Which sometimes confuse the person asking for help.
I wish help/replies would start with non-technical information unless the individual asking for assistance needs technical information.
You're right.
by R. Proffitt - 4/8/08 1:44 PM
In reply to: High definition camcorder - Image quality by JayVeeCee
For consumers who don't need film maker qualities and the time it takes to transfer from MiniDV over FIREWIRE I think the HDD and Flip camcorders are the answer.
The rest are MiniDV with all the trappings.
Bob
How's the PV-GS500?
by ALI AHMED - 4/8/08 8:07 PM In reply to: A word of cuation about going HD by birdbrainzApologize to the board in general for being selfish but just wondering about the PV-GS500. I've looked through several models and I'm interested in film-making capabilities and so far, this one fits the criteria. Also, how does the LCD screen fare for you?, its predecessor the GS400 had a few more options to it so that comparison has made me a little skeptical about this one.
Thanks
My Apologies
by birdbrainz - 4/9/08 7:11 AM In reply to: How's the PV-GS500? by ALI AHMEDSorry for being so technical. I was worried that some techie would start arguing with me, so I tried to make my reply technically rigorous up front.
My point comes down mainly to DVD being the end product for most users, and using an HD camcorder for this is silly. My other point has to do with video compression: Asking the camcorder to do it while shooting has two problems: there's a ton of computation needed to do it well, and it's better to let a big PC do it overnight. If you don't like it, change the settings and try again. If you ask the camera to do it on the fly, you can't go back and ask it to do it again. Every consumer HD camcorder is doing on-the-fly compression of one form or another.
The point is also well-taken on the final quality desired. My Panasonic TZ1 still camera takes excellent video as long as I'm super steady and not attempting a low light shot. In fact, there are days I wonder why I don't just stick with that, but then I shoot another low light shot and am reminded.
As for the PV-GS500, it's a super camera. It's currently with a super-video snob for a faceoff with his prosumer Canon GL2. I'll report back. I think it's great, but I'm going to defer to a perfectionist. For filmmaking, I'm told that even a $1500 Canon GL2 is lacking.
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