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by adbarkan - 3/2/08 4:37 PM
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Any suggestions for brands/types of HDMI and speaker cables?

by adbarkan - 3/2/08 4:37 PM

I am purchasing a new Pioneer PDP-5080 50" plasma, Onkyo ST605 recevier (HDMI 1.3), and Polk Audio RM705 speaker set (5.1 package). As a result of where things will be installed, I'll need about 30 feet of HDMI cable and 200 ft of speaker wire.

Can anyone advise on the following:

- Brand or type of HDMI cables, besides Monster? The cables will be in the wall and I won't be able to change them later, so I want to get the right quality but I don't want to buy ultra-whatever for a pretty basic home theater set-up. I just want a reliable brand appropriate for the technologies. Prices range a great deal on the web

- Similarly, does anybody have a suggestion for a speaker wire manufacturer or retailer that is appropriate? Also, what gauge is appropriate for small-ish home theater speakers.

Many thanks
Ari

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Monoprice

by jostenmeat - 3/2/08 6:02 PM In reply to: Any suggestions for brands/types of HDMI and speaker cables? by adbarkan

for HDMI. speaker wire too, but I find the insulation to be a bit too thick (a forgivable trait, but for all their cables, whether HDMI, optical, speaker, etc). If its all in the walls anyways, then better for you. That's it, done deal. Oh ya, regarding gauge, it depends on the length of runs. Im guessing 12 or 14 gauge will be just fine. Heck, Im using all 16 gauge in my 7.1, though maybe I should be using thicker...

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The first part of your message got cut off.

by adbarkan - 3/2/08 6:18 PM In reply to: Monoprice by jostenmeat

Can you please re-post your response. thanks

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i agree with monoprice

by bean99 - 3/2/08 8:31 PM In reply to: The first part of your message got cut off. by adbarkan

i also agree that the "netting" or insulation surrounding their cable (at least that i ordered) is a bit thick, in that if it's just behind your tv it kind of has a mind of its own and you have to force it where you want it to go.

but for what you need-- sounds like in-wall and lots of it, monoprice should be perfect.

i believe what they sent me is actually hdmi 1.3a as advertised and it works fine.

i had previously ordered "hdmi" cable from eforcity on amazon, but what i got did not look like the picture and did not say "hdmi" on the actual cable, so i'd avoid that route.

in any event, i agree with the original poster that you shouldn't have to spend alot on hdmi cable.

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(NT) Thanks

by adbarkan - 3/2/08 8:49 PM In reply to: i agree with monoprice by bean99

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(NT) The HDMI 1.3 spec if for the electronics, not the cable.

by jcrobso - 3/21/08 8:59 AM In reply to: i agree with monoprice by bean99

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John, sellers are representing the cable as being HDMI 1.3a

by NM_Bill - 3/21/08 9:07 AM In reply to: (NT) The HDMI 1.3 spec if for the electronics, not the cable. by jcrobso

certified. That leads most of us to assume the cable itself is certified. Perhaps a dishonest marketing ploy that the average Joe can not actually analyse as verifiable or not. Anyone who can provide a definitive answer is welcome indeed.

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Speaker Cable

by FishinHatteras - 3/5/08 5:34 AM In reply to: Any suggestions for brands/types of HDMI and speaker cables? by adbarkan

Ad,
These days, copper simply "aint cheap". You don't have to spend a fortune on a good HDMI cable. BB sels an in-house brand "Rocketfish" that is made by Monster, and offers an exceptional value for a good quality cable.
Don't sell yourself short on that speaker wire. Go to your nearest HD or Lowes and get some 12 gauge, 2 conducter wire. It's not cheap, but it's cheaper than the "spools" most retailers sell, and you don't have to buy more than you need. Feed your speaks the good stuff. You'll be glad you did!
Gavin

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brands/types of HDMI and speaker cables?

by jrwashz3 - 3/5/08 10:21 AM In reply to: Any suggestions for brands/types of HDMI and speaker cables? by adbarkan

I'm using DH labs Silver Sonic Q-10 Speaker Cables to bi-wire Klipsch KLF30s. The T-14s are less expensive if you don't need bi-wire.
Excellent quality, choice of connectors. I'd buy them again in a heartbeat.
For A\V cbles (HDMI, audio,component) I'd recommend Belkin PureAV Master series.

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Cabling

by jasondtx - 3/18/08 12:30 PM In reply to: brands/types of HDMI and speaker cables? by jrwashz3

I would not recommend buying something cheaper from Lowes or Home Depot for cabling. Sure they have may have the same gauge for half the price but you're getting a cheaper quality cable. Most times they sell a 14 gauge speaker cable but it's the shielding and strand count that matters too. They may have 30 to 40 strands of individual wire whereas a higher end cable from MIT for example has over 100 strands which gives you better highs and lows and lets you run the signal a lot further.

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Two very different situations. Maybe I am reading it wrong

by NM_Bill - 3/19/08 9:35 PM In reply to: Any suggestions for brands/types of HDMI and speaker cables? by adbarkan

but if youneed a long run of HDMI cable (like 30 feet) you must pay those big bucks for certified for HDMI 1.3 bandwidth. Short runs (like one meter) are a piece of cake that monoprice or Sam's Club or Wally-World can handle

Second situation: speaker wires. Your concern may be way over blown. Your speakers are decent but I never used anything better than lampcord/zipcord until I got a $3000 pair of speakers. Then I probably overdid it with their storebrand basic lower end of specialized wiring. I bet an AB comparison would hell to claim you could tell the difference, at least between speaker wiring labeled specifically as such from my nearby Home Depot & the fancy stuff.

The stuff specifically labeled as speaker wire is woven for a good exterior surface of several segments of finely filamented so the concentration is at the ourtside, not center. There are small measurable differences due to skin effect. Bigger is better, so choose 14 gauge over 16 gauge if that is a choice. True, deluxe wire consists of longer filaments which made the cord more flexible.

Put firm clean, solid connections with the end terminator fittings if you use them. If you can just twist the wire to be held in place at the ends, that is just fine for 95% of speaker connections.

So the only thing to be concerned about is a long HDMI run which calls for expensive, certified stuff.

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TOTALLY AGREE WITH BILL. CABLES SHOULD NOT BE AS EXPENSIVE

by Riverledge - 3/19/08 10:55 PM In reply to: Two very different situations. Maybe I am reading it wrong by NM_Bill

AS ANY OF YOUR COMPONENTS.

MONOPRICE PROVIDES EXCLLENT CABLES FOR MOST APPLICATIONS.

AS MENTIONED, I'M ALSO A BIG ADVOCATE FOR 14 GAUGE RUNS FOR SPEAKERS.

JUST AVOID MONSTER CABLES; YOUR WALLET WILL LOVE YOU FOR IT!!!


Riverledge.

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Cabling

by jasondtx - 3/20/08 9:37 AM In reply to: TOTALLY AGREE WITH BILL. CABLES SHOULD NOT BE AS EXPENSIVE by Riverledge

I agree you don't want to over do it on price of cabling. You should match the whole system (not using 500 dollar speaker cable on 250 dollar speakers). But there are brands out there that are better than Monster that are the same price or even less that way out perform the more well known brands. Cabling makes a difference. If you haven't heard high end cabling you should check out MIT, they are the best cables I have heard in any price range comparatively. They make as much difference to a system as changing out a piece of equipment or more. Think of cabling as a component in the system. You don't have to spend thousands but if you have a 5,000 dollar speaker system put good cabling on it to maximize the performance.

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with all due respect

by jostenmeat - 3/20/08 9:58 AM In reply to: Cabling by jasondtx

I do believe that people hear differences in cabling. I haven't cared to test. Ive read by hardcores that certain types of stranding etc are more suited to certain technologies in speakers. Sometimes I think these folks are following their hardcore physics training more than their ears at times, but who really knows.

What I will say is that some people get goaded to spend a lot on this stuff, but never buy treatments. Its also interesting how rarely a dealer encourages treatments. They often don't sell any. I remember one of the local BW dealers here trying to sell me on $1,000 worth of Audioquest cabling. Sheesh. Nice guy too. Never ever heard a word about treatments.

Acoustic treatments will do more for your experience than many other things including choice of cabling, power conditioning, speaker wire, UPS, etc, combined.

BTW, my 35 ft Monoprice HDMI cable works beautifully. 1080p 24fps from both BD and HD, looks amazing.

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cables

by robd11 - 3/20/08 11:53 AM In reply to: with all due respect by jostenmeat

For HDMI, digital is digital. buy the cheap-ass stuff, just as long as it's 1.3a cert. for speaker wire, spend the extra, it's analog you know.

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