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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 3/21/08 10:47 AM
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Post 76 of 176

First determine the source of the hum

by easytimes455 - 3/8/08 6:50 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

You must first do a little troubleshooting. If the computer is off and you hit the power button, does the hum start at the outset? Does it hum as the hard drive initializes? With a four year old computer that you didn't build yourself, I would suspect the power supply or one of the cooling fans.

Four years is not a long life expectancy for these items, but if it's a cheap power supply (PSU), or a cheap central processing unit (CPU) or case fan, you may be able to fix it relatively cheaply. The power supply would be the worst of these, of course, but it still shouldn't be a budget buster, or difficult to fix, if you can do it yourself.

If it does hum at the first push of the power button, you will have to try to locate the noise if possible, so starting the computer with the cover removed would be the next step. After that, you may need to unplug a case fan or two. You get the idea, I hope. Eliminate items and see if the problem stops. Once the problem stops, you have found your source... that is unless, your ear detects the problem device at the outset. But I've never been so lucky, so I don't expect that to happen.

If it's a CPU cooling fan, you can get installation instructions from this website... http://www.arcticsilver.com/instructions.htm
simply pick your product, then the processor and follow their instructions. They have good products.

Case fans are more straightforward... match the size and part number... or upgrade to a similar product with ball bearings. If a case fan went bad, you need a ball bearing model, unless you want to replace another one in a similar amount of time.

If it's a PSU, you will need to identify the ailing unit, and maybe even your motherboard... I would do a check to make sure that you have the right PSU for your setup. A quickly failing PSU could mean it's underpowered, and remaining in a state of thermal overload, which would keep the PSU fan running in desperation.

If you want to check your PSU needs, you can go to this website and go through their e-questionnaire. http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
Check your existing PSU rating and performance, just to be sure... I would, mainly because me and old Murphy are long term acquaintances. If it is a PSU, try to go with a quality replacement that will provide consistent and adequate power to your system. If the original failed this quickly, it may have been an inexpensive alternative to keep the price down, or a barely minimal unit for your system.

The other problem could be dust. If you don't regularly clean your system, a buildup of dust can cause one of the cooling fans to go bad if your system controls fan speed. You just need to determine where the problem is and fix it appropriately, while keeping costs down. On all of my builds, I use as high quality components as I can afford, which puts me right in the middle on cost outputs, but I am confident I have good equipment for my intended purposes.

If you didn't assemble your computer, yourself, you should at least have some input as to which level and brand name of parts being used to assemble it... or have a list of every part used in its assembly, so you can know what's being used to fix it in the future. Hopefully, if the right parts are chosen and you aren't a radical overclocker, you will have a computer that will have a good long duty cycle. Of course... Murphy can show up and ruin even the best computer builds.

Post 77 of 176

It's a fan or power supply

by wblacroix - 3/8/08 6:55 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Right off the bat, I'd say it's a fan.

I've had several fans go bad over the years. With some that's fixable. Some have lubrication holes and some can be taken apart to lubricate. Use a light machine oil (3 IN 1 works great!) to lubricate the bearings. I've even had to tear down a power supply to lubricate the fan inside. If you can't tear it down, remove it to the trash can and replace it.

I've never had it happen myself, butI do know that the transformers in the power supply can also go south. Check output voltages at the motherboard and other component connectors.....Remove and replace.

There is also a very slim chance it could be from your sound system. Sometimes the ground is not too good at the case....Rotate the jack several times. Sometimes an external power supply is at fault....Replace with another of the proper voltage, wattage, polarity and connector type. There are multi-power, polarity and connector units out there

Good Luck!

Post 78 of 176

easy to fix

by ldsaint - 3/8/08 7:10 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

This one is easier than you might think. Open the side of the PC and look for where all the fans are placed. Using a pencil with a rubber end (or your finger, it doesnt hurt), gradually, gently apply pressure to each of the centre of the fans in turn like a break, until they stop. Don't pause them for too long (a few seconds) as this increases the current they pull and in the case of the processor you are likely to increase temperature too. If you find the noisey one great, measure its size and buy a new one. Quiet fans can be bought for very little money, most specify a db or decibel level (the lower the better). If it's the power supply thats got noisey you will have to remove it. Once again it's easy to replace the fan but if you aren't confident and the wires need soldering, find yourself a electronics nerd.
If none of the fans are causing the noise and it's all emanating from the hard drive my advice is to check its mounting. If it's secure then turn off the PC get a new hard drive. Either leave the hard drive in and reinstall windows to the new drive and drag and drop the files across or use a hard drive back up to transfer it all across but don't trust the hard drive for long. Typically they spin at 7200rpm and if the bearing is on it way out, the platters inside will soon be damaged beyond repair.

Post 79 of 176

humming noise

by momarski - 3/8/08 7:18 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

its ususally dust on the fans thats the culprit

Post 80 of 176

New Noise? Danger Will Robinson!

by imaginate - 3/8/08 7:21 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Any new noise on a computer should be looked into ASAP. Finding it's source is sometimes a little tricky. If you don't feel up to trouble-shooting it yourself, get it to your local PC repair guy pronto to avoid potentially losing valuable data. If you are up to it, read on.

It's time to crack open the case and try to locate the source of your hum. The most likely sources for your noise are power supply, hard drive, and fans. If a visual inspection does not immediately isolate the noise, get out the stethoscope. OK, a lot of us don't have one, so use a straw, flexible tubing, or similar device to listen to each component individually.

Once identified, it's time to replace the offending part or parts. Most of these replacements are easily done yourself, and the web is bursting with info to help you out, not the least of which is CNET. Happy Computing.

Post 81 of 176

Mostly use your ears.

by mkaplan514 - 3/8/08 7:30 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

First thing I would do is to open the side panel of the computer and listen to where the hum is coming from. There are a few things that can cause the hum. The Hard Drive, any of the fans in the system or can be a vibration coming from the case itself.

If it is coming from a fan, you can try to use compressed air (you can buy a can of compressed air) to clean the fan. Many times that alone will fix your problem. Just be careful when spraying compress air from a can that no liquids are emitted from the can. If the air does not fix the problem then it should be replaced especially if it is coming from the power supply fan. If the fans should stop, it will overheat and blow. You should shut down the computer and unplug the power just in case. If any liquid comes out from the can, just make sure it is completely dry before you plug the computer back in. Also you should spray clean your whole system. Maybe take the computer outside and spray out all the dust that has accumulated.

If it is coming from the hard disk then you should buy a replacement hard drive as soon as possible. Make sure you have a backup of your data as the drive can fail anytime. You can clone your old hard drive to your new one (Use a program like Acronis True Image or Norton Ghost) and then keep your old drive out of your system as an extra backup. You want to do this as soon as possible so you can save your Windows installation and not have to start over. There are free programs available from the hard drive manufacturers to test your hard disk but with the case of noise will probably find the drive is working fine. Noise is just an advance notice of trouble to come.

If you hear that it is just a rattle from the care, sometimes tightening a screw will help. You can use silicone or even a crumpled up little piece of paper to stop the vibration.

Post 82 of 176

Source of noise may be an inexpensive cooling fan

by Randy (SD) - 3/8/08 7:33 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Is the "Hum" a constant noise or an occasional noise when the machine is accessing the hard drive? The problem may be a cooling fan. Your machine may have as many as three cooling fans; you have the case-cooling fan (typically located in the back of the case next to the power supply). You may have a CPU cooling fan (located on the motherboard, typically sits atop a large silver heat sink). You may even have a chip set cooling fan (small square or round fan mounted on the bottom of the motherboard-if your motherboard is in a vertical orientation).

The best way to determine the source of the noise is a visual inspection while the machine is running. First, I suggest you perform a backup of all data and system state (click start, all programs, accessories, system tools, back Up). You will need several CD-R CD-ROM discs to backup your important data.

Next, power off the system, turn off the main power switch located below the power supply, and unplug the power supply. Next remove the side cover, typically the left side cover, so you can view the internal components. NOTE ground your self for static electricity before touching any internal components (have one hand on the case) visibly check the cooling fans for evidence of accumulated dust, pet hair, etc. if the fans appear to be dirty as they most likely are if you haven't opened the case since 2004 these can easily be cleaned with a can of compressed air. Cans of compressed air are available at mass retailers (Wal-Mart, Kmart, OfficeMax etc.)

To isolate the source of the noise, reconnect the power supply, turn on the main power switch and power up the computer, listening closely to isolate the source. It should be fairly easy to identify if the noise is coming from a cooling fan or from the hard drive. Be careful not to get your fingers to close to the cooling fan, they rotate very fast and break very easily. You may find it beneficial to lightly rest your fingers on the hard drive feeling for excessive vibration etc..

If the source of the noise is determined to be one of the aforementioned cooling fans, replacement-cooling fans can be purchased at most computer supplies stores or RadioShack etc., cost under $20. In extreme cases, if it is the CPU cooling fan you may have to replace the entire heatsink, this is a fairly simple process. Or you may wish to take the machine to a qualified technician.

If you're fears are confirmed, and the source of the noise is your hard disk, replacing the hard disk is your only option. Again, not a difficult task, depending on your machine's configuration (IDE drives or SATA drives). Rather you want to clone your existing hard drive and all of your data or start with a clean installation of your operating system etc..

I recently experienced the exact same situation, fearing a failing hard drive, I was relieved to discover the source of the noise was a $7 CPU cooling fan which I replaced in less than five minutes... problem solved.

Post 83 of 176

Power Spuuly

by Mikebiker - 3/8/08 7:45 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

A hum would be from the power supply transformer. Power supplies are reasonably cheap and fairly easy to replace. Most of the power supplies that come with computers are marginal in capacity, so replace with a higher wattage one.

Post 84 of 176

having same problem

by whitelion2126 - 3/8/08 8:15 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

i am running windows xp home edition sp 2. bought pc in jan 2005. recently upgraded memory modules so now i have 2.99 gb ram. what a difference. but the noise is still there.

Post 85 of 176

Humm????

by High Desert Charlie - 3/8/08 8:30 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hi Mike,
Saying your computer has a Hum is sort of like saying, "My car is making a noise, what's wrong with it? Generally there are only a few place where your computer will make noise.

First, remove the side panel from your tower. Just remove the two or three phillips or thumb screws and it should slide right out. Then turn on your computer and listen carefully.

The sound could be coming from one of the fans. This is usually the case with a newer computer. There could be up to three, and possibly more fans to listen for. One fan works to cool your CPU, and will be mounted on the actual systemboard, usually over a heatsink. If you have what is called a BTX case, that fan may be mounted on the back and funneled in through a plastic funnel device.

Another fan may be mounted on the back, sides or even on the top of your computer case. Listen to all of the fans carefully. If you're not sure you can VERY CAREFULLY apply pressure to the fan's center for less than one second!!! If you sound stops you found your culprit. Finally you need to listen to the fan located in your power supply. That's the small metal box with all of the wires coming out of it. Dust can often get caught up in these fans through normal operation. It would be a good idea while you have your side cover off, to use a can of compressed air to blow out the inside of your case and fan assemblies. Don't blow on the fans such as to make them turn faster than they're designed to spin or you could damage them. It's actually a good idea to turn off the computer while performing this cleaning process to avoid any damage to the fans or yourself. Don't forget to blow through the power supply to free up any lingering dust inside the box.

If the sound doesn't seem to be coming from any of the fans, you need to look at your hard disk drive/s to see if they're making a racket. They don't usually "Hum", but who knows. Next, check all of your optical drives to see if there is a lingering disk in one of them that may be trying to do something. These drives will "Hum" if they are trying to play a disk and the operating system is preventing that function for some reason.

Finally, check your PCI cards (these are the ones plugged into the system board and oriented 90 degress from the system board. Make sure they are firmly seated in their slots, and if they have fans mounted on them (many video cards do), then make sure they aren't causing the noise.

If you've done all of this, and still hear a "Humming Noise", it's likely a vibration. You may want to have a computer tech perform this task. I would locate each of the system board screws and make sure they were snug, then double check all of the mounting hardware such as hard drives, power supply, optical drives, etc... and make sure everything is snug.

Hope you find your Hum.

HDCharlie

Post 86 of 176

hum in the computer

by waynearcelectcom - 3/8/08 8:32 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

3 things could cause this - does the hum
1 - a cooling fan going bad with a bad bearing - and check the cooling fan in the power supply
2 - a hard drive going bad with a bad bearing - do backups and clone a new drive PDQ
3 - a bad bearing in a CD drive - CD drives start up when booting up - or a CD left in the drive which can be a little out of blance- but you'll only have the hum for a short time at start time

Post 87 of 176

Computer hum

by AlecJ248 - 3/8/08 8:56 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

My feeling is that the hum is most likely caused by the cooling fan. They can get quite noisy. It depends if the hum is present all the time, or comes on when the hard drive is operating, or some other specific electromechanical object.

A present-all-the-time hum would be associated with a cooling fan, either the one cooling your CPU or the one in the power supply. It could be the fan blades are jambed by something - dust is one possible cause and can be cleaned out - or it could be worn out.

If it is the CPU cooling fan it is easy to replace. Make sure you get the correct replacement. If it is a power supply fan fault the safest thing to do is to replace the complete power supply. There are lethal voltages inside the PSU that persist even with the mains off, so unless you know what you are doing, keep the PSU closed. New PSUs are not too expensive. Cooling fans may not be glamorous, but they help to prolong the life of the rest of the equipment.

Post 88 of 176

Hum iside your computer...

by aallien - 3/8/08 9:05 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

99% of the time that's going to be a fan. There are 4 choices and usually only custom computers have the 4th.

1. power supply fan
2. cpu fan (the fan actually on the processor)
3. rear exhaust fan
4. front intake fan

To test this open the case and us a pencil to stop the fans until you find the one that is humming and replace that one. I would start at the power supply. You are looking at $5 - $40 according to which fan it is. If it is the power supply then it isn't worth trying to mess with the fan inside the power supply casing.

Typical fan sizes:
120mm user for power supplies and all-in-one cooling for rear exhaust and cpu (dell does this)
80mm used for power supplies and exhaust fans
60mm used for cpu fan if it has a separate fan for it.

Post 89 of 176

Hum from a PC

by christopherjellybean - 3/8/08 9:07 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

More than likley it's the fan for the cpu.Over time things just "loosen up" a little. No real big worry.If you have it out in the open and not in some cubbyhole colecting dust?? run you hand around the case and see if it's something loose there. Do you feel ok about opening the case up? If so...(BE VERY CAREFUL FOR STATIC SPARKS) put a finger on the fans. Yes I hear all about killing a computer if your not grounded properly. Just keep one hand on the case while doing this!! See if any of the fans are loose. Noisy PC are not a big deal. My Dell and HP PC's all made a little noise ,even when they were brand new!If it is a fan just see if you can turn a screw to fix it. Just make sure it's turned off!!! And unplugged!!Now everyone can blast me for saying some of this.

Post 90 of 176

May be a fan

by perry1262 - 3/8/08 9:17 AM In reply to: Humming coming from my PC, what should be my concerns? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

My computer developed a nasty buzz/hum. I took the cover off and it stopped. Just a $9.00 fan on the case that was bad.

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