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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 2/29/08 3:23 PM
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Post 421 of 568

research is the key

by vrrobinson - 3/1/08 8:36 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I know numerous people that have purchased used products and they have all had good luck with what they have purchased. The key is to research the product you going to purchase and then ask questions. Research the product you are about to purchase for any kind of pattern of failures. For instance, here not to long ago all vendors had problems with failing capacitors on the motherboards. You would need to ask if the motherboard had been replaced with a board that didn’t have problems with the capacitors. The big thing is Google (or other search engine) becomes your friend when reaching possible patterns of failures. The key is to identify these possible failures before hand and make sure they were taken care before you get the device. Most refurbished and recertified computers come with some sort of warranty, while it may be small it is usually there. If you do purchase a refurbished/recertified computer, when it arrives run the diagnostics on the device. I mean really run the diagnostics. Most vendor computers HP, Dell and others have specific diagnostic programs that are available from their websites. These diagnostic programs can be generally set to run for long durations. This way you can catch those intermittent failures that pester us. After you have run the diagnostics and if anything no matter how great or small, is detected then call the vendor immediately to get it taken care of.
When it comes to printers this is a different ballgame, it comes down to usage and how well it was taken care of. For instance laser printers require maintenance kits every XXX amount of pages. You will need to know the page count on the device and at what count the last maintenance kit was installed. The reason why I mention maintenance kits is they are very expensive it is often cheaper to just go out and buy a new printer than to purchase a maintenance kit for the printer. If a printer has a high page count then you need to start worrying about possible failures of other parts, such as gears, rollers, and sensors. Printers are just full of parts that fail. Which is to be expected since it is still primarily a mechanical device. Having said that I purchase used printers all the time, but I do my own maintenance on them, which saves me a bundle. The thing about purchasing inkjet printers that are used is that you better plan on getting really messy and I do mean really messy. My wife hates it when I purchase 2nd hand inkjet printers. But you get one "MAJOR" savings when it comes to buying 2nd hand inkjet printers. The older HP inkjet printers used cartridges that are much larger volume than the ink cartridges for today’s printers for about the same cost. This means more pages printed per cartridge. This translates to a savings at the office supply store. For instance the HP Deskjet 895 had huge cartridges that would print a few hundred more pages than my Deskjet 600 series printer for the same cost roughly. I wanted go give you the positives before I tell you the negatives. If you buy used inkjet printers plan on getting messy, this is because of the cleaning you will most likely need to do. You will most likely need to clean the maintenance section and also the shaft that the print cartridge house runs back and forth on. Having said that, I have nothing but pre-owned inkjet printers in my home and have for years. After I cleaned them they preform flawlessly.
The big thing when purchasing any used equipment is to ask questions. You can even ask for possible pictures of the device(s) you are planning on purchasing. The more information you have the better you will be at making the decision as to if the difference between the cost of used or new is worth spending.

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Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers

by margsi2 - 3/1/08 8:37 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

If refurbished or recertified was the only way I could get a computer, I would not buy one. I have seen too many people get burned! I think that is really sad too! It would help those who really could not afford to purchase a new one. The asking prices are way too high for refurb and recert as compared to a new one. The fact is, more computers could and should be "recertified" or "refurbished" for green reasons.
For some people that would be a good option for a first computer if there were no other way to get one. I would rather take a less expensive model than pay for a refurbished computer because of the lack of trust of the company who does the refurb work.
This is true not just of computers but other merchandise also. If it doesn't work, dismantle it and recyle materials.

Post 423 of 568

My experience with refurbs.

by dfdoler - 3/1/08 8:39 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

In the last 5 years I have purchased 6 "refurbished" computers:
2 laptops (one with Vista from BUY.COM and one with XPsp2 from REFURB DEPOT)Both were less than half the price of an equivalent new one and both were perfect out of the box.
2 HP slimlines (one with Vista from BUY.COM again perfect out of the box) and one from TIGERDIRECT.COM with XPsp2 which has to this day corrupted font files caused by the ATI graphics card and the driver files.
2 desk tops (both with XPsp2) One from TIGERDIRECT.COM, which arrived unbootable (I rebuilt and reloaded it and dual booted it with LINUX) and one from BUY.COM which worked like new out of the box.
To summarize: My experience with refurbs is good enough to cause me to recommend it as an option, but my experience with TIGERDIRECT refurbs has caused me to eliminate them from my list.

Post 424 of 568

Refurbished computers

by Robert Arrington - 3/1/08 8:49 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have been using a refurbished Gateway laptop with an AMD Turion processorr unning Windows XP Pro with SP2, JRE 1.6, GTK+, Net Framework 3.0, Perl, Python and boatloads of qpen source software and freeware since April of 2007 and have had no hardware problems of any kind. I do run a HD temp monitor and power management software to be on the safe side but I bought the refurbished Gateway at Tiger Direct simply because I didn't have that much money to spend but I think I've definitely gotten my money's worth in the last 11 months.

Post 425 of 568

New vs. Refurb

by jazzfan1948 - 3/1/08 9:15 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Over the years, I have purchased a number of refurb systems, including a couple of Gateway notebooks and most recently a Compaq desktop that had apparently been a return from WalMart. All have given me excellent service, fully the equal of systems I purchased new or built myself.

All said and done, however, I only purchase refurbs when there is a huge price advantage. The Compaq desktop, for example, was less than half the price of an equivalent new model and arrived from PC Mall with not even a smudge to indicate it was less than new. Often, however, the price difference is not so large, and then I start looking for a sale. This is especially true of notebooks.

As far as HP products, for the last few years I have found them to be less proprietary than they used to be, although this is probably not true for every model. I have both an HP notebook and a Compaq desktop and have been pleased with both. That said, I truly dislike reaching customer service somewhere in the depths of India where the job description clearly calls for the rep to speak English poorly and to offer as little help as possible to the caller. This is true not only of HP, but Dell (before they pulled most support back to the US), American Express, and Citibank.

The only cure for this is for us to simply stop doing business with these companies, and to let them know why. There are plenty of computer companies out there, all of which produce products that perform equivalently to each other, and you should choose the one that fits YOUR needs and budget best.

Post 426 of 568

It depends

by yasinghMD - 3/1/08 9:58 AM In reply to: New vs. Refurb by jazzfan1948

I agree that research is the key.

1. Sometimes, you can catch a good sale for new for the same price as refurbished.

2. A refurbished item from the manufacturer is generally not a bargain. It seems to be a ploy to unload discontinued models toted as bargains. Their sale items are often a better value, particularly, in my experience with Dell. You can often purchase the refurb model as new on amazon.com for less, or a newer version for the same price.

3. Reputable resellers often have better bargains. I am not a fan of HP (no software disks, proprietary systems that are difficult to modify, and their attempts to confuse you with a variety of incoherent model designations) but I recently purchased a refurbished laptop from buy.com that is same as new. This model is just one digit older than the newer version with same specs but it was about $300 less. Add to this the saving on sales tax and the free shipping.

3. There are certain items, like, hard disk, that I would not buy refurbished. The handling may have shortened their life.

4. A defective part may have been replaced in a refurbished unit making it better than a new unit. For example, the hinges on my now 4-year-old eMachines laptop (that only sits open on my desk) had started to crack. It was under warranty and they (Gateway) replaced the part (possibly the entire screen.) It has not cracked since.

5. Try overstock.com also. I purchased discontinued Panasonic cordless peripheral telephones to add to my central system. Half of them did not work properly, were cracked, used, or dirty beyond repair. The rest worked ok and they returned the defective ones without a problem. Lesson: buy twice as many as you need and return the defective ones. I would not trust them with Items like a laptop unless it was an irresistible bargain.

6. Always research the Internet for prices on similar item before making a decision.

7. No two refurb experiences will be alike but, you could also go wrong with a brand new item. So if the saving is significant, and if the seller allows returns then, I would try it from a reputable source. Let us continue to share our experience with these resellers.

I may be wrong. I do not believe there is a difference between refurbished or recertified.

Post 427 of 568

I bought refurbished Laptop....

by dstumbo - 3/1/08 9:16 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hi Julianne,
I bought a refurbished Gateway laptop from Tigerdirect.com about 8 months ago. Unlike you, I didn't reach out to others before doing so & I just rolled the dice & did it anyway. I had a very tight budget & really didn't want to buy 1 of those entry level machines which was all I was willing to pay for. So that is when I settled on a refurbished unit that I found @ Tigerdirect.com. I can honestly tell you that I feel as though I own a brand new machine, there are no issues although it's only been 8 months, I feel I did right for myself. If you're like me & don't want a base machine & really don't want to pay all the upcharges to get a base unit up to snuff....I recommend you to go for it. My philosophy was, if something goes wrong I'll pay to fix it & it'll probably still be le$$ than if I had paid full $.
Good Luck

Post 428 of 568

Go for it!

by qsligh - 3/1/08 9:18 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

One of the things that one should think about with purchasing a "refurbished" system is that for the most part, it has had all of the latest updates installed prior to being released back from the factory. Any and all "bugs" that caused the system to be returned in the first place are fixed and firmware is updated. Buying a refurbished system is in some ways better than buying a brand new one off the shelf. Buying new will have you going through the bug working out period, whereas the latter one has already been through that phase. In my opinion,I will only purchase a retro-system. You still get the same warranty as you would get in most cases as the new model.

QSligh

Post 429 of 568

save a buck

by verschoor2 - 3/1/08 9:31 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

My compaq just crashed and it was time to replace it. Went to Tiger Direct and bought a refurbished Gateway for a bit over $300. It does all the things I want,at a decent speed and should take me through the next few years. Buying a new, high end computer for tasks like e-mail, word processing and other low end uses is a waste of money since the system will be still be obsolete in a few years. Save yourself a few bucks by buying a refurbished one that can do all the tasks you demand of it at a reasonable speed; you will save hundreds of dollars a year.
When I bought my first setup in 1987 which was a 286 with 30 megs of memory and a VGA display it and the dot matrix printer cost me $3000. Within a year I had to upgrade the video display and in about 3 years my machine would not run upgrades of my programs or the newest software so my costs at that time were about !000 bucks per year to buy a new setup. You do not need a porsche to drive to the BK for a whopper. Get the cheapest machine that will do the job!

Post 430 of 568

save a buck

by verschoor2 - 3/1/08 9:32 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

My compaq just crashed and it was time to replace it. Went to Tiger Direct and bought a refurbished Gateway for a bit over $300. It does all the things I want,at a decent speed and should take me through the next few years. Buying a new, high end computer for tasks like e-mail, word processing and other low end uses is a waste of money since the system will be still be obsolete in a few years. Save yourself a few bucks by buying a refurbished one that can do all the tasks you demand of it at a reasonable speed; you will save hundreds of dollars a year.
When I bought my first setup in 1987 which was a 286 with 30 megs of memory and a VGA display it and the dot matrix printer cost me $3000. Within a year I had to upgrade the video display and in about 3 years my machine would not run upgrades of my programs or the newest software so my costs at that time were about !000 bucks per year to buy a new setup. You do not need a porsche to drive to the BK for a whopper. Get the cheapest machine that will do the job!

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Mass produced new vs bench-tested refurbished...think

by conchchowder - 3/1/08 9:36 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

A computer is mass-produced with no burn-in of most parts. A refurbished computer is painstakingly looked over by ONE person and tested to rigerous inspection and testing (where factory repairs are concerned). I ALWAYS buy refurbished and ask for an extended warranty at a reduced rate (which I can almost always get). I am then the happy owner of a new computer which has been extensively looked at, tested, and certified.

Those of you that cry new, new, new...are the same ones that drive off the lot with a new car and think that depreciation is acceptable. I paid $4000 for my Sebring convertible over three years ago. That figures to less than $100 per month in payments and every month the cost goes down further. I have an Infocus SP4805 projection tv which cost me less than $500. New, it would have been over $2000. You can throw your money away, but I choose to spend wisely.

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bench-testing is not the same as using

by Stuart Gathman - 3/1/08 10:53 AM In reply to: Mass produced new vs bench-tested refurbished...think by conchchowder

Bench testing doesn't find subtle problems that cause someone to return a computer. For instance, I bought a refurbished AMD/Nvidia laptop - a great deal at $400 for a normally $800 laptop. I should have been suspicious when the preinstalled Vista came up in "safe mode". It turned out that the computer would run great for several days, then lock up. After some investigation with a Linux LiveCD, I found that one of the CPU cores ran abnormally hot, and when that core was in use long enough to hit 70C, it would lock up. I noticed that the Nvidia GPU had a normal temperature around 85C, and the CPU core on the side nearest the GPU was the one getting too hot. So much for bench testing. Fortunately, I spotted this within the 7 day "no questions asked" return period.

Post 433 of 568

Go for it...

by sumsolstice - 3/1/08 9:38 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Computers can be refurbished by the manufacturer or by a non-manufacturer-related 3rd party. Try to get one refurbished by the manufacturer. With HP, the product number has an "R" attached to the end of the product number. For example, there is a heck of a deal right now on buy.com, for a HP Pavilion Elite m9040n, an Intel quad-core near top-of-the line system with 3GB of RAM for $699. If you click on the link, it has a product name of GN553AAR, which means its an HP refurbished system. They come with a 90 day warranty, so be sure to check it out thoroughly when you get it, or purchase the extended warrenty question. This PC has about all you would want - if you are a gamer, you might want to put in a better card, but the one thats in it is a quiet one.

http://www.buy.com/prod/hp-pavilion-elite-m9040n-tv-desktop-intel-core-2-quad-processor-q6600/q/loc/101/206879511.html if you are interested, or you can check what HP has to offer directly.

As to proprietary - HP's been using industry standard sized motherboards from companies like ASUS, Mitac, Foxconn, MSI for several years now. After a power spike locally, I had a power supply go out on a 3 year old one recently and replaced it with a new "green" supply from Seasonic.

Go for it, but check it out thoroughly in the first 90 days...

Post 434 of 568

Refurb works - it really does

by GibsonSG - 3/1/08 9:42 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

You can find some GREAT deals on refurbished computers - I have a refurbished Sony desktop that I purchased on uBid.com. I've had it for 3 years now, no problems. When I bought it, the same model was still being sold on Sony's website for $400 more new! I also have a Dell refurbished laptop that's never had an issue for 4 years. I recently was forced into buying a new laptop because my previous Dell (a different one which I bought new) konked out on me. If I'd had more time I would have looked around for a used one.

In my opinion you're taking a risk buying new or used. You might as well save some money, or get a more powerful system and buy used. I can't comment on HP because I've only used their printers, but asking for brand advice on a forum like this will get you mixed results no matter what brand you're asking about.

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refurbished pc

by dquin656 - 3/1/08 11:44 AM In reply to: Refurb works - it really does by GibsonSG

For over 10 years I have purchased refurbished desktops. For many years I bought Dell's then last year I tried out Gateway. I have not been disappointed so far.

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