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Community Newsletter: Q&A: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 2/29/08 3:23 PM
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Some understanding

by webweazel - 2/25/08 10:10 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

First, let me make a few comments on Brands that you were asking about. I actually read the question, and I think I can give you some background information here:

Printers, scanners, etc. are referred to collectively as "peripherals". It doesn't matter what company they are made by. A PC computer is a PC computer. Period. (Apple and Mac is a whole different kettle of fish.) A printer is a printer. Period. You do not need to use all the same companies products. For example, I have a Dell computer, a Sceptre monitor, an HP scanner, a Brother laser printer, and a Microsoft mouse. My spouse has an Alienware laptop, a Sceptre monitor, HP printer, Logitech trackball, and the wireless keyboard that shipped with my Dell. Everything works perfectly, and none of the brands are the same. When it comes to peripherals, shop for price, features, and quality. Do not think you need to stick to only one brand. (www.epinions.com is a great place to see how real people like or dislike an item and why.)

Now, as to the items you have actually working with your computer, that's where it gets interesting. First, no matter what company you buy a computer from, they will give you an operating system, either Vista or, if you're really lucky, XP. This is where some trouble arises. When Vista first came out, there was a lot of trouble with people trying to get their older (and BRAND-NEW!) "peripherals" to work with Vista, by the use of something called a "driver". (A driver is a small program that tells your computer how to work with your printer, scanner, etc.) At this point in time, most of the driver issues should have been worked out, but if you are lucky enough, try to get a computer that has XP SP2 installed for the easiest transition. It's okay to get Vista, but if your peripherals are very old, you may be out of luck for it working with Vista. This is a SOFTWARE issue, with Windows, it is not a HARDWARE issue. (For example, I loaned a friend a 7-year-old printer to use in a pinch, and HP had a driver for it for XP. It will probably never be written for Vista.)

I hope that gave you a little bit of background information. Now as to refurbs:

My understanding is that a new product rolls off the assembly line, is given a quick test to make sure it works, boxed and shipped. The customer buys it, and opens the box, then returns it for whatever reason. The manufacturer receives the item back, and cannot re-sell it as NEW. They test the system and fix whatever needs fixing, re-test, re-adjust, whatever, and sell it as a refurb, usually at a discount off of new.

I, personally, do not have one bit of problem with buying a refurb computer. I'm typing this on a Dell refurb right now. Two years old and not a bit of trouble. (knock on wood) This is my second. The last one lasted for 4 years when the motherboard died. The only trouble I had along the way was a modem which had to be replaced at 2 years. I hate to sound like a commercial, but both of these were Dells. The first one was so trouble-free, I got another.

Take some of the (insert name) Company rants here with a grain of salt. People who are pissed at (insert name) Company are very quick to rant on a forum, but the people who are happy with what they have don't say as much. It's the old saying "A happy customer tells 5 people, an angry customer tells 20."

As to buying one yourself, the best advice I can give you is, get a refurb, but do not get the "bottom of the bucket cheapo" computer. In other words, don't just look at $price$. Find the features and capabilities you desire most, then find the refurb to fit the bill. Because of all the money you will be saving anyway, bump yourself up to a nicer model. You'll thank yourself. Ask a knowledgeable friend to help you in your decision.

I hope this has helped you in some small way.

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Refurbished or Recertified Computers

by guyana.ehb - 2/26/08 4:56 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hi julianne

Phil here, I do not think that having a perefrence to a particular brand is a problem. I run 2 different brands of scanner's a Epson and a Xerox, I also run a Canon printer. Thay run on a computer self updated by myself, if you find a good reconditiond PC it dose not matter about the make as long as you have program disc's to your external equipment. The programes help your PC to talk to the device you want to use and vice versa. Do not be taken in that the more you can spend on a PC the better it is, there are good PC out there for less that in the top high street shops, thats even for reconditioned/refurbished or recertified PC. Look at what you want to use the PC for then look around before you perchese one. The other thing is that make shore you get all the program disc's that is needed for the PC:-

Mother board
Graphics Card ( if fitted )
Sound Card ( if fitted )
Internet Card ( if fitted )
and so on.

Also if it is already loaded with windows make shore you get that disc as well. A good PC run from 1.7 Ghz and upwards processor, 256 MB of ram, If a graph or sound card or both are fitted thay must be at least 256 MB of ram on them each or above. I hope this is of some help to you

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Refurbished PC

by stainedcolors69 - 2/26/08 5:15 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

When I got my first computer, it was a refurbished one and I didn't have any problems with it at all. As a matter of fact, it was one of the best little computers I have had yet. Make sure you call around and get information on their refurbished computers and try and call places that you know people have dealt with. Ask the places that you call questions about the computer that you feel is important and upto your standards. They will come up with other suggestions on other computers that they may have that have been refurbished. The only things with refurbished computers is the fact that they DO NOT come with the Windows operating disc. That has to be purchased separately. The computer will already come with the version of Windows you want. All a refurbished computer is , is a computer that has been completely cleaned out and maybe updated. It is basically the same thing as a new one, but the casing is used. Ask if it is also compatible with your HP products. I have an EMachines (which I wouldn't recommend for certain reasons) and it is compatible with different products as far as printers etc. If there are certain programs that you have had on your old computers that you might have downloaded from the net, I suggest you write them down so you can reinstall them if you wanted to. am always looking for free computer cleaning products on the net and I have about 5 installed on my computer right now. That way if one program misses something the other ones will pick them up. I am very cautious that way. And the best thing about them all is the fact that they are FREE! Also make sure you write down all the things down about the computers you inquire about form each place you call so that you can decide a little easier on which one to buy. Last but not least, make sure it comes with a warranty or a money back guarantee. That way you know the product you are getting is upto standards and they aren't trying to stiff you. You could ask someone you know if they are getting rid of one. Someone you know you can trust. My next door neighbor gave me his old Compaque comp. and all it needed was a video card. He had cleaned it out and everything. I just went to a comp. business and bought the cords, video card and anything else it needed. I believe I only spent a total of $10.00 on everything. It would be just like buying a used car. Ask questions, write down the information and decide which place sounds legit. Sometimes cheap isn't always the best. I have 9 kids, so I am always bagain shopping. Good Luck!

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Not a problem buying from mfr such as hp, Dell

by Cadillac84 - 2/26/08 7:15 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have bought two "refurbished" computers among the hundred or so computers I have bought. The reason I bought refurbished was to save money once (a laptop) and to save time once (I needed one shipped that same day, which "outlet store" promised and normal process could not.).

Here's the problem (if any) I see. If you were to "build" a computer on line at hp or Dell, you would specify every detail of the hardware and software and there would be no surprise when you received the computer. When you buy a computer from the "Outlet Store," you are limited in the information available. I know that Dell provides the SvcTag number and you can go to the Dell support site and see the list of original equipment. That is quite helpful, and hp may do that as well.

But there are things not shown in that list or things that are shown in ways you can't interpret. These will be minor things and I can't even think of a good example now, but if you are willing to take some risk in that regard AND if you are able to find the specification you desire in the "Outlet Store," then I'd say "go for it."

The largest percentage of these computers never had anything wrong with them. Most of them were refused upon delivery and the box was never even opened or they were "lost" by the transfer company and replaced by the manufacturer before they magically "showed up." Some were DOA because the purchaser didn't hook up correctly.

In any event, the manufacturer has run the computer through all quality tests and certifies the computer and provides full warranty.

The question I have (and that always seems to lead me to buy a new one) is can I find exactly what I want and then do I save enough to make it worth the difference? Your mileage may vary. :-)

Be sure you know what the computer is (model, processor, operating system (XP-Pro v. XP-Home v. Media Edition), RAM (including speed and how many DIMMs), hard drive (capacity and rpm), Anti-virus* software, etc.

* Anti-virus software is important. Dell offers choice of Norton or McAfee and I use neither. McAfee is much easier to get rid of. Norton is like Hepatitis -- once you get it, you can never really get rid of it! Dell offers "None" at the Small Business Store and that is what I always get.

Good luck! If you save enough to satisfy yourself, the computer won't let you down. It is almost, if not actually, new!

Regards,
Chuck

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Purchasing a refurbished or "recertified" computer

by j1shalack - 2/26/08 10:44 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hi:
I have owned PCs since the days of the IBM 5150 - an Intel 8088 8-bit CPU. I have built my own and bought ready-made, both new and recertified, and can honestly say that a recertified PC from a brand name manufacturer is a good deal. It is usually considerably less cost than an identical new one, and has probably been more thoroughtly tested than a new one.

The downside is that the warranty is usually much shorter. a new PC warranty is 1-3 years, and a recertified is usually 90 days. I suggest, if you buy a recertified PC, that, at least for the first week, do not power it off. Most computer (and electronic) equipment, if it's going to fail, will fail within a few working days.

Finally, be sure you get the OS CD/DVD or are able to create one from the PC, and that the manufacturer's website has the drivers posted for download if you're not provided that CD, too. I suggest you download all the available drivers for the PC and burn them to a CD. You'll be glad the first time you need to re-create your PC, and cannot access the Internet to download them.

HP is an excellent copmany with a good reputation, but your computer, monitor, printer, etc do not need to be from the same manufacturer. Just as your TV does not need to match your VCR or DVD player, so also with PCs.

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needs, wants, expect, future cost, budget, wait, or need now

by Thomas E Hawk - 2/26/08 7:59 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

In answer to your first dilemma is relative to your budget and definition of refurbished, recertified, like new, and almost new.

I compared a new HP from HP direct, to refurbished, recertfied, and like new HP with almost identical specifications, from a reputable online reseller.

The New computer was $449 the refurbished/like new $450, recertified $459, and almost new $445.

The new computer came w/ MS Works 9.0 & larger hard drive w/ better graphics engine.

This indicates that comparable shopping – may be the answer or waiting till the budget
Allows a better choice.

If the budget is half of the above start compromising your wants with your needs and
Choose a seller with a reputation of backing up their sales. This is usually a seller that
Has a long track record and is sensitive to negative feedback.

In answer to your second dilemma being partial to a make of computer. There is nothing
Wrong with being partial but not because of integrating peripherals.

Personal experience has shown that two items, same manufacturer had integration issues.

A year ago I purchased 3 new computers just because I had a tax refund burning a hole in My pocket after carefully processing rebates each HP system was $159 from Office depot. I gave them to my grand kids as gifts on birthdays. Unfortunately their parents
Are technically challenged and keep getting software for the kids that req. upgrading The hardware, this may result in grandpa investing this year’s return in upgrades.

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Refurbished HPs

by tbweld - 2/27/08 9:39 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I purchased a refurbished HP desktop back when Windows 98 was alive (so its been a few years). The PC worked flawlessly. I'd do it again.

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An Opinion on a Refurbished Computer

by JCipo - 2/27/08 4:30 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I have used computers for 30 years. At one time the cost of a good machine could run over $2000. Today, a computer that does a decent job should cost $500. Why do you need a refurbished unit that costs less?
Just the price of some of this software may cost more. If you can't afford a new computer, get a part-time job and make a little extra money for a new machine.
If you have to get a refurbished unit, make sure that this unit comes from an authorized store. Make sure it comes with the same warranty as a new one. Is an extended warranty that much more expensive? I have a credit card that extends any warranty an extra year for no extra cost. You could ask your credit card company for this extra benefit.

John Cip

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A selected few answers to start

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 2/29/08 11:18 AM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

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Dell Refurbished

by joan3316 - 2/29/08 6:59 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I buy most of my Dell Desktops refurbished. This way I get high end computers for a lower price. I have been purchasing Dells since 1995 and have had no problems.

Joan

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refurbished or recertified computers

by Jinkxc - 2/29/08 7:06 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

In either 2002 or 2003, I purchased three Sony Vaio desktops; one is a refurbished desktop for my Dad. To date, the other two brand new Sony desktops have been in the shop, twice; while the refurbished desktop is still going strong and nothing is wrong with it. From my experience, I'd go with a refurbished desktop.
Jinkx

Post 282 of 568

Save worrying about why the computer doesn't

by tall6ft5 - 2/29/08 7:16 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I've been through this with HP and eventually, after four service calls and 98 phone calls I got them to replace their so called refurbished computer with a new model which worked just fine. Don't put yourself through the aggravation.

Post 283 of 568

Good question, wasy answer.

by richardsenor - 2/29/08 7:17 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

First, I will bet that finances are number one on your mind, that's why refurbished. That is a good reason.
Second, it all depends on what you want to use the computer for. I recommend, no matter what yoou get, at least 2 gigs of memory on the board. The size of the hard drive depends on your use. Besides that, the speed is important if you are a gamer or into graphics heavily.
Third, if you are using it for writing letters, e-mails, etc., or doing spreadsheets (unless they are very large spreadsheets) the speed of the processor is not too important, but should be taken into consideration.
Forth, some companies offer a 90 day warranty. If you purchase the computer, turn it on, use it all you want, and leave it on constantly for 60 days. If there is no blinking on the screen, color shifts, or way too much heat coming out of the back where the power supply is located, and you saved at least $400 on what you can afford new at one of the large store, you have done well. In the next 4 or 5 years, the prices of computers will come down drastically, as the past has shown.
What I do suggest if you by a refurbished computer, realize that is an older model, so think of what you want to do with this technology and buy every program that will ever interest you. This way you can use the programs, still get enjoyment and only worry about out of date programs when others give you files from newer versions of the program used.
My friend is still writing his book on an old DOS machine and it hasn't crashed on him ever and I owned it for at least 5 years before he got it.
Again, it all depends on what you use it for.
Good luck in whatever you decide.

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HP SUX?

by jwscogin - 2/29/08 7:20 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Depending on where you buy the refurb or recert from will depend on the amount you pay. You buy an HP refurb/recert from HP and you will pay more with less tech support than if you bought from someone else who will probably add more time and tech support above the normal support provided by HP at a lower to much lower cost.

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Very happy with my refurb

by coynedog - 2/29/08 7:24 PM In reply to: Your thoughts on refurbished or "recertified" computers by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

I purchased a refurbished iMac from the Apple online store a few weeks ago and have been very happy with it. This basically allowed me to pick up the latest iMac build for about $300 less than one that had never been opened before.

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