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by eppb12 - 2/13/08 2:53 PM
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Post 1 of 11

HP nc8430 optical drive problems

by eppb12 - 2/13/08 2:53 PM

Since I bought this laptop last July, I have had continual problems with the optical drive (DVD-/+RW, CD-RW combo drive). What happens is that it works perfectly well for about a week, and then, for no obvious reason, it completely fails to function. Sometimes, cleaning the optical eye with a q-tip and a bit of alcohol fixes it. Sometimes, just shutting down the laptop and cold-booting it back up fixes it. But only for a couple of days, and then it will fail again.

Also noteworthy is the fact that the device manager reports the DVD region settings incorrectly when this occurs. I have never set the DVD region, so I should have no region set and five changes left (indeed, I confirmed this the day I got the new drive). Now that it's failing to function, it reports that I only have two changes left. If the drive starts functioning properly again, region settings will be reported correctly (five changes left).

I have been through a total of four optical drives now via HP warranty replacements (including the original, so I'm on my third replacement now, which is an LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-T20N). They have all been completely different makes and models, and they all have this same problem.

I was beginning to think that it was the motherboard or some other internal component that HP doesn't consider user-replaceable. However...

1. It just doesn't make sense that it would work one day, all-of-a-sudden fail the next day, and then work again the day after that; all with no obvious explanation and absolutely no user intervention. This behaviour isn't consistent with internal hardware failure.

2. There appear to be other people with this same or similar model having the same problems. All of the information I've read about this has noted that replacing the motherboard does not fix this problem.

Like I said, cold-booting the laptop or cleaning the optical eye sometimes helps. I have also reseated the drive, which results in the same temporary solution. "Temporary" is the key word here. There are no additional/updated drives or firmware for the drive. I have updated the BIOS, updated drivers where I could, etc.

Is anyone else here experiencing these problems with an HP laptop? Did you fix the problem? How?

Post 2 of 11

Try uninstalling

by samkh - 2/13/08 5:10 PM In reply to: HP nc8430 optical drive problems by eppb12

Intervideo DVD Check and see if it fixes.

Post 3 of 11

Never used it

by eppb12 - 2/13/08 5:43 PM In reply to: Try uninstalling by samkh

I've never had that software installed to begin with.

Post 4 of 11

XP or Vista

by samkh - 2/13/08 6:28 PM In reply to: Never used it by eppb12

pre-installed by HP when you got it?

Post 5 of 11

No

by eppb12 - 2/13/08 9:39 PM In reply to: XP or Vista by samkh

No, I wiped the default installation and made a clean one of my own.

Post 6 of 11

I once had a

by samkh - 2/14/08 8:50 AM In reply to: No by eppb12

non-HP Core Duo machine with misbehaving optical but problem disappeared after I restored the factory image. Who knows, there may have been a bug which needed patching but was available to OEMs only. You can test your hardware using Linux or even DOS. Also try the factory image to see if issue persists.

Post 7 of 11

Other cheap experiments

by samkh - 2/14/08 10:29 AM In reply to: No by eppb12

Try resetting IDE transfer mode to PIO only if it is at DMA now.

SODIMM timing could be a cause, esp for DMA. Try factory sticks if you had replaced them.

Post 8 of 11

Thanks...

by eppb12 - 2/14/08 6:56 PM In reply to: Other cheap experiments by samkh

[quote]Try resetting IDE transfer mode to PIO only if it is at DMA now.[/quote]
It's been in PIO many times. It works, but, not surprisingly, it's unbearably slow.

[quote]SODIMM timing could be a cause, esp for DMA. Try factory sticks if you had replaced them.[/quote]
Hmm, good idea. I added RAM to the machine shortly after I bought it, but that was a little while ago, so I don't quite recall if I was having these problems before I did this. I don't want to take apart the machine now to check. Is there a software application that will tell me the speeds of both of my SODIMMs?

[quote]non-HP Core Duo machine with misbehaving optical but problem disappeared after I restored the factory image. Who knows, there may have been a bug which needed patching but was available to OEMs only. You can test your hardware using Linux or even DOS. Also try the factory image to see if issue persists.[/quote]
Thanks for the input! I really don't want to use a factory installation because of all the junk that's generally piled on it. However, I tried using a clean-install of my own, on which the optical drive worked just fine. After going to back to working installation, it continued to work until today, of course, when it stopped working again.

Like I said, a boot CD works just fine. I'd try it in Linux, but then I'd have to be using the optical drive to run a LiveCD anyway, USB boot on this laptop is USB 1.1 only and I don't have enough disk space to dual-boot with a Linux installation.

Post 9 of 11

RAM looks fine

by eppb12 - 2/14/08 7:27 PM In reply to: Other cheap experiments by samkh

I just checked my RAM. Even though I bought an additional SODIMM after buying the laptop, the specifications are correct for the system. Even the chip brand is the same.

http://pic.phyrefile.com/2008/02/14/MVC002S.JPG

http://pic.phyrefile.com/2008/02/14/MVC003S.JPG

Post 10 of 11

Seems to me

by samkh - 2/14/08 10:22 PM In reply to: RAM looks fine by eppb12

there IS a timing issue. If CD boots and PIO works, DMA should be under suspicion. 2x1GB of PC2-5300...hmm, I wonder. Hynix is good but even if they worked before and still occasionally works, I would start to look there. Run these tests:

1. Leave only one stick installed.
2. Change slots for that stick.
3. Install only the other stick, repeating 1 & 2.
4. If 1, 2 & 3 still intermittent, try to find a PC2-4200 stick.

Faster rated mem chips naturally slew faster and may come too close to margin spec of chipset.

Post 11 of 11

DOH! Cancel that last order!

by samkh - 2/15/08 6:17 AM In reply to: RAM looks fine by eppb12

i945GM uses dual channel so you have to get a twin pair of SODIMMs. Sometimes unmatched pairs work, sometime not. You are lucky it hasn't BSOD'd in the middle of some critical session. PC2-5300 should be OK.

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