Cell phones: CNET Prizefight: Apple iPhone vs. LG Voyager
- 12/6/07 11:56 AM
playing catch up
by jackwise11 - 12/13/07 11:34 AM In reply to: CNET Prizefight: Apple iPhone vs. LG Voyager by KentGerman
The iphone just like the ipod is going to be the lead runner with features that are very intuitive and style that catches peoples eyes. Just like other mp3 players that have alot more features compared to the ipod, the voyager has a few more features compared to the iphone. However there's a reason the ipod dominates the mp3 market and the iphone is on its way (once other carriers can sell the iphone). The way its features are presented are very intuitive, practical in every day use, and it adds a feature (touchscreen) that everyone else is going to copy.
iPhone-Apple could have done better
by Taquitasun - 12/14/07 12:33 AM In reply to: playing catch up by jackwise11First I agree that the iPhone is sleek and cool and the UI is unlike any other phone on the market...but the lack of basic features for the price of the darned thing is what tickles me pink at the retardedness of fads...It is an entertainment phone at best. Yes you can send a picture as an email but there are few cell phones that work well with recieving pics through email. MMS would have been a bonus that would NOT have been that hard to incorporate in the original SW of the iPhone. Seems like a Deedeedee move on Apple/AT&T's side. Reliability seems tricky being that you can't replace the battery if it goes out. It's not like an iPod that you will only miss a little if it has to be sent in for repair...There goes your right hand (what I feel like if I even forget my cell when I make a trip to a store) for several days. Sure you can change to a temp phone IF you have one laying around. but then you have to change your plan and deal with the billing at the end of the month. Oh yes if your phone is lost or stolen (highly likey for a 400.00 phone) You are SOL... And last but not least I want to hear from users that needs technical help on thier iPhones. Was it a similar feeling to being a hot potatoe between AT&T and Apple? Also how much does Apple charge for thier tech support sessions? (BTW- I dont hate Apple- I'm typing on my iBook right now. Which I love. My comments come from a well rounded knowledge in knowing what the mass market wants and needs in a phone. I have worked in Customer Service and Technical Support for Sprint, AT&T/Cingular/AT&T again, Verizon and my hubby worked for Apple)
iPhone Battery replacement
by Brian24gc - 12/14/07 12:46 AM In reply to: iPhone-Apple could have done better by TaquitasunYes the iPhone has to be sent in to Apple to replace the battery when and if it ever has a problem. From what I have read it costs somewhere around $60 for the replacement through Apple, which is within $10 of the cost of buying ANY OEM cell phone battery. My guess as to why it is not user replaceable is that Apple didn't want to have to deal with 3rd party batteries frying people's $600 phones (it happens w/ the cheap ones I work in wireless...I have seen it many times). This way Apple ensures that nothing happens to the phone because of battery replacement, and you do get a loaner iPhone from Apple in the mean time.
As for the MMS as an e-mail....every camera phone I know of works w/ e-mailing pics. With my iPhone I e-mail pics to subscribers from T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon. Sprint isn't too good in my area, so I really don't know anyone with Sprint to send to. The phones' e-mail addresses are (xxxxxxxxxx being the mobile phone #):
Alltel = xxxxxxxxxx@message.alltel.com
AT&T = xxxxxxxxxx@mms.att.net
Boost Mobile = xxxxxxxxxx@myboostmobile.com
Cingular (AT&T) = xxxxxxxxxx@mms.mycingular.com
Einstein PCS = xxxxxxxxxx@einsteinmms.com
Sprint = xxxxxxxxxx@messaging.sprintpcs.com
T-Mobile = xxxxxxxxxx@tmomail.net
US Cellular = xxxxxxxxxx@mms.uscc.net
Verizon Wireless = xxxxxxxxxx@vzwpix.com
Virgin Mobile = xxxxxxxxxx@vmobl.com
Problem with email instead of MMS
by SamNK - 12/14/07 9:55 PM In reply to: iPhone Battery replacement by Brian24gcBrian24gc, I'm going to say this again. How many of us keep track of the mobile service providers of each of our friends in our contact list? I certainly don't. I only know the ones I call frequently so that I can know if they're "in network" because I get free calls when I call someone who's on the same network as me. Regardless, with number portability, it's very easy for people to switch mobile service providers at anytime as many people did when the iPhone came out, so even if you could email it to them, it wouldn't work if you had the wrong email gateway because they decided to port them number to a new service provider.
If the iPhone simply supported MMS, you wouldn't have to know the mobile service provider of the person you want to send the picture or video to. Oh wait, the iPhone can't do video without a hack...sorry my bad.
MMS via E-Mail
by Brian24gc - 12/14/07 10:14 PM In reply to: Problem with email instead of MMS by SamNKAgreed. If you send a lot of pics it kind of is a pain. The few I send to select people makes it so it isn't so bad. I'm sure a coming software update will allow MMS, why they left it off in the first place, I still don't know. They're new to this industry and I give them credit for a GREAT 1st attempt. I by no means think the iPhone is perfect, it is however the right fit for what I use it for. There are a lot of features I would love to see added, such as Multi-recipient SMS, MMS, Copy & paste, video (proof of concept exists), IM, and SMS forwarding. One thing I do know about Apple is that through updates they often give their customers what they are asking for. Again, for my needs (mostly web browsing and personal e-mail and of course calls) iPhone was the best candidate for me. If its not for you, vote with your wallet and buy something else. Good point on the whole carrying a spare battery too, I have always used a car charger so I honestly didn't even think about that aspect.
More features coming soon...
by Brian24gc - 1/24/08 11:41 PM In reply to: Problem with email instead of MMS by SamNKSamNK.....you said the magic words "without a hack" - meaning it is possible....both MMS and video are possible right now with a hack, and Apple is monitoring all the hacks to see what users want, trust me. MMS, and video will be coming soon, and if not directly from Apple then from a 3rd party once the SDK arrives in about a month. For me the web browsing alone makes the iPhone worth each of the 60,000 pennies I spent on it (especially being able to tap a phone number in the browser to call it-works in SMS too). I rarely even use the iPod features on the phone....although with a new semester starting maybe in between classes. For me the browser, interface, e-mail, and navigation through contacts list and menus sell it for me. Like I said in my previous post I have had very capable video phones in the past and barely used it. If video is the deal breaker by all means buy something else. I am very happy with the iPhone, and it works for me. Maybe it won't work for everyone's needs - but that's why we have a free market and the freedom to choose the products we like best.
stop the excuses
by poweruser2 - 12/26/07 4:27 PM In reply to: iPhone Battery replacement by Brian24gcI find fan-boy postings funny because they make excuses for shortcomings until the manufacturer catches up. Then they praise the manufacturer for having the feature.
Face it, Apple dropped the ball on MMS. But they will allow a 3rd party to create the feature and charge every iPhone user to add it on through an iTunes download. If any other device made a user go through all those steps just to send a picture in an email then people would be slamming the device fr lack of MMS. But Apple fan-boys accept it blindly until a solution is sold to them. No need to worry, you will praise the 3rd party application for MMS when its released even though you claim its not needed if you follow all the steps you outlined.
The Apple-only replaceable battery is not because Apple is afraid of 3rd party batteries frying the phone. Its because Apple is afraid of 3rd party batteries taking Apples revenue. Apple is more locked down than any company right now. And its done purposely to create more revenue streams for Apple. The lack of user replaceable batteries was deliberate. $60 for Apple every time or $50 going to other companies most of the time.
Apple is greedy just like all hardware/software manufacturers. Only thing is Apple fanatics will put up with it while other manufacturer fan bases will look elsewhere if the features dont exist. If any other cell phone or DAP manufacturer released a product with a manufacturer-only replaceable battery they would be chastised. Apple fan-boy base blindly accepts shortcomings.
iPhone is a great phone & its flashy. But its far from the best when you look at its shortcomings. If the iPhone were made by Motorola or LG you would be slamming it for its shortcomings. Apple fan base needs to take a step back and critique devices unbiasedly. Like many Apple products they will have a product worthy of its current fan base admiration, in its 3rd generation form. Just not yet.
Exactly....stop the excuses
by SamNK - 12/27/07 8:30 AM In reply to: stop the excuses by poweruser2That was very well said poweruser2. I also find Apple fan-boy postings amusing. They talk about Apple products as if there is nothing wrong with them. I also hear the same Apple fan-boy comments from some of my colleagues at work.
If you want to do an unbiased evaluation of any product, you need to look at the included features and how they perform as well as the missing features and whether you'll need them or not.
Fanboys, continued....
by Brian24gc - 1/25/08 12:07 AM In reply to: Exactly....stop the excuses by SamNKAnother thing....
Apple haters are just as bad if not worse than so-called Apple Fanboys. I work with someone who gets so heated in being Anti-Apple that he just starts making things up that he thinks you can't do on a Mac, and then when I show him he is usually in awe at how much easier that certain thing he thought I couldn't even do on a Mac is than it is on a PC. I know we're not arguing Mac vs PC here, but I'm just showing how Apple haters can be just as bad or worse than fanboys.
I think Apple misses the boat on a lot of things, but then when the user community asks (and when Apple "fanboys" want something they speak up!) they give them what they want. A prime example is the $100 credit for early iPhone buyers, multi-threaded SMS in the 1.1.3 update, and an official SDK coming out.
Fanboys
by Brian24gc - 1/24/08 11:58 PM In reply to: stop the excuses by poweruser2Apple fanboys exist because Apple is a company that creates a great top-down user experience in every product they develop. I guess you would consider me an Apple fanboy. I consider myself someone fortunate to have some great products from a reliable company, and have remained loyal to a brand that has never given me a problem.
Is Apple perfect? Not in the least bit, no company is. Is Apple out to make a profit? As with every other corporation in the world - of course they are. Do I mind paying a premium for Apple's quality and innovation? Not at all. With the whole battery argument - "The lack of user replaceable batteries was deliberate. $60 for Apple every time or $50 going to other companies most of the time." presented by poweruser2.....I would much rather pay an extra $10 to make sure I am getting OEM Apple quality, and that goes for everything....If your Mercedes needed a part would you go through Mercedes-Benz or go to Auto Zone for the part??
Battery replacement
by SamNK - 1/30/08 9:25 PM In reply to: Fanboys by Brian24gcMy problem with many "Apple fanboys" is that they hardly ever point out the missing features of the iPhone. Just recently the iPhone software was updated to allow people to send text messages to multiple recipients at once. My 3 year Razr could do that.
I also have some additional comments about the iPhone battery replacement.
1) It's not $60 to replace the iPhone battery, it's $79 + $7 shipping. Here's a link to Apple's web page on the iPhone battery replacement showing the cost.
http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/battery/
2) It's not $30 for an OEM battery for most phones. I can get an OEM battery for almost any phone from a ton of online stores or a bunch of reputable sellers on eBay for less than $20, sometimes even less than $10. Regardless, it's still not even close to $86.
3) When the battery needs to be replaced in most phones, they don't need to be shipped out for "repair". Most phone batteries can be replaced in about 30 seconds by taking the battery cover off and putting in the new battery. When the iPhone shipped out to have it's battery replaced, it takes 3 business days to get it back.
batteries
by Brian24gc - 1/30/08 9:37 PM In reply to: Battery replacement by SamNKI agree that the battery thing is kind of a pain. When and if my iPhone battery goes, I won't mind spending $86 to keep my $600 phone going. Apple products are always at premium prices, maybe I am used to it and thats why I don't see it as a huge deal. As for the multi-threaded SMS, I agree definitely something Apple dropped the ball on, however they realized their omission and corrected it, which I see happening with a lot of "missing" features (missing in quotes because they are features not everyone uses) and they will be added in much the same way, or addressed by the developer community once the SDK becomes available.
Battery Replacement
by rj_123 - 6/17/09 2:47 PM In reply to: Battery replacement by SamNKThe cheapest place to replace the iPhone Battery is www.drcellphone.com they offer all kinds of iPhone Services.
I agree 100% Taquitasun
by SamNK - 12/14/07 9:45 PM In reply to: iPhone-Apple could have done better by TaquitasunThank you Taquitasun. Finally an Apple fan who's being honest about the iPhone instead of looking at it through rose colored glasses.
I forgot to mention the cost in my last point about the feature comparison between the iPhone and Voyager. When the 8gb iPhone was $600, it was a complete rip off. You can get a decent laptop for that price. At $400 I still think it's overpriced considering the missing features.
Another comment about the fixed battery in the iPhone. I like having the option of carrying a fully charged spare battery that I can swap out when my phone goes dead. I've done that with phones that I've had in the past. Considering that many of us use our mobile phone as a primary or one and only phone, I think it would be nice to be able to do that. Also the fact that the iPhone is being marketed as a video/music player, email tool, picture viewer, a device to surf the web etc, people will be draining the battery even faster if they are using those features. I'd bet there are already many frustrated iPhone owners who's battery ran out on them when they needed to make a phone call because they were using the other features.
Thanks
by Taquitasun - 12/19/07 3:36 PM In reply to: I agree 100% Taquitasun by SamNKTechnically you CAN get a spare battery for the iphone but it'll cost you another 400.00...=)
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