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MP3 players: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80
I agree and I'm a PC user
by Missy0823 - 12/6/07 10:11 AM In reply to: anti- Apple bias obvious by hal SummersI noticed the same thing to when I was watching a video review of Leopard. When you see all those sponsored by Microsoft banners around the website, how can you not think they're not being biased.
I'm not too sure...
by amosharper - 12/4/07 2:49 AM In reply to: Zune is nice but Zune desktop software sucks! by inder123I thought the Zune software was, at it's most basic level, superb. For finding and playing music, and for syncing, it looks fantastic and it's very easy to use. It manages videos and pictures fine, too. It is very, very sleek and aesthetically pleasing. Playlists, subscribing to podcasts and changing settings were so simple.
However, when I looked deeper, I ran into problems. I never had to import from another player (although if you were using WMP, surely you didn't have to do anything, as it's all in your Music folder?) but I did have to edit song metadata. It was a nightmare.
I couldn't chnage the artist of one particular song. I couldn't change the sog numbers. If I tried to merge two albums because it didn't have info on one of them, it wouldn't let me. It was shameful.
I ended up using MediaMonkey (http://reviews.cnet.com/Organize_your_music_with_MediaMonkey/4660-10165_7-6648755.html) to manage my music and Zune to play and sync.
Everyone missed the obvious
by pisaac - 12/4/07 7:13 AM In reply to: I'm not too sure... by amosharperHow come no one has mentioned that this review compared Microsoft's flagship product with Apple's "classic", (i.e. old) design? Does any Zune product even get near the iPod touch? I think not. Would the Zune even exist if Apple hadn't invented the iPod? Again, I think not.
Apple's strength is imagination and innovation. Almost everything Microsoft has ever done has been a copy of another company's product
I'd like to pick up on...
by amosharper - 12/4/07 7:52 AM In reply to: Everyone missed the obvious by pisaac..."Does any Zune product even get near the iPod touch?".
Are we talking simply about looks? If so, as it happens, yes, I think it does.
http://www.zunethings.co.uk/images/zune80.jpg
http://www.expressphilippines.com/images/ipod_touch.jpg
None-the-less, I'm inclined to agree that Apple's strength is innovation.
[Sorry for hotlinking, ZuneThings.co.uk and ExpressPhilippines.com]
iPod Touch The Next Generation
by rustach - 12/4/07 2:18 PM In reply to: Everyone missed the obvious by pisaacI totally agree with you. The click-wheel interface has been around for years and is going away. The iPod Touch is the next generation. So, they compared generations old technology from Apple with the latest from Microsoft. It's pretty clear that Apple leads in innovation. I'm just waiting to see how long it takes Microsoft to try to copy it.
Zune vs Ipod
by sims12345 - 12/4/07 2:53 PM In reply to: Everyone missed the obvious by pisaac"Does any Zune product even get near the iPod touch?"
It terms of value, yes very much so.
"Almost everything Microsoft has ever done has been a copy of another company's product"
Copy and IMPROVES.
Overlooking the obvious.
by SneezerT - 12/5/07 6:24 PM In reply to: Zune vs Ipod by sims12345I just bought a 30 gig. zune because of the price break ($90) over the holidays. I originally didn't buy the zune last year cause of the bad reviews, but the new software update changed my mind. I am surprised that no one mentioned the fact that the zune can be updated. (If you buy a model now, you don't have to buy the next model to get the new features, hence podcast and wireless syncing) My fiance has a 3rd generation ipod and is stuck with the features of that model. I can rest assured knowing that all I have to do is update my zune when the next update is available. I don't know how many other mp3 players let you update your software to better improve the experience.
Apple pushes iPod software updates all the time
by jay.butler - 12/26/07 10:05 AM In reply to: Overlooking the obvious. by SneezerTThey added Podcast support to my older iPod mini via an update. There are quite a number of features and fixes that are sent out via software update to iPods.
Like what?
by Missy0823 - 12/10/07 10:26 PM In reply to: Zune vs Ipod by sims12345You mean like how Vista is a copy and improvement on the Mac OS X system? I think not!
No,
by amosharper - 12/11/07 1:30 AM In reply to: Like what? by Missy0823I started to criticise this, but I found myself inclined to agree. The trend does seems to always be to duplicate and develop.
For example, MSN came after AIM. X-Box came two years after the PS2. MS Office came a year or two after Ability Office. Microsoft followed Apple's lead in making operating systems with GUIs.
I can't think of anything to make this a balanced argument - someone help me out!
Compatibility
by frankgon4 - 12/7/08 7:24 AM In reply to: I'm not too sure... by amosharperThanks for the information. From reading the postings, I will hold off buying either Zune or Ipod. I personally shop with Function over Aesthetics.
Both Ipod and Zune appear to not have the full compatibility that I am looking.
An iPod user that's glad the Zune won.
by nathangimpel - 12/4/07 8:36 AM In reply to: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80 by headbusta27I love the look of the new zune. The bright, large screen is appealing and the etching option is really cool. However, I have a LOT of music on my 5th generation iPod now and I also use it as an external hard drive on many occasions. I installed a car stereo with iPod-ready functionality and have a lot of cool accesories for my iPod. If I was a first-time mp3-player purchaser, I might go for the Zune, but I'm not, so I won't. I feel like $350 for a 160gb iPod is a good deal and while it might not have some of the features that the Zune has including wi-fi and radio. I'm hoping such features will allow Apple to become a little more creative post-iPod classic era.
By the way, the iPod touch is a joke. It can't compare to the iPhone because it doesn't even contain a phone and it can't compare to the iPod classic in terms of music because it has 10% of the memory. The only way I would purchase one was if it was a supplement to an iPod classic, and even then, it's one expensive supplement.
sorry for putting this here, can't find a "new post" button
by MarcusMaximus04 - 12/5/07 12:27 AM In reply to: An iPod user that's glad the Zune won. by nathangimpelSeriously, I have to wonder about some of these score rationales i.e. zune not having any way to scroll as fast as the scroll wheel(the touch pad can scroll just as fast, plus you can just fling it instead of continuously moving your finger), saying the zune is a better value outright and then giving it a lower score in that category, marking off the zune for having to convert tv shows from media center format but giving the ipod points for having to buy them, marking off zune for not being compatible with other services' files but not marking the ipod off when they do the same thing, not giving the zune credit for playing additional formats that the ipod can't(which should fall under compatibility right?), marking off the zune for slow software(say what? from my use of it, the software BLAZES compared to either the old zune software or itunes), not giving credit to the zune for coming with FAR superior headphones. Also, I was dissapointed to see only one of the reviewers mention the ipod classic's INCREDIBLY slow interface(as in slow for changing menus/using coverflow) which was the #1 reason I returned mine and went with a zune 80.
i totally agree
by calculatorwatch - 2/26/08 7:39 PM In reply to: sorry for putting this here, can't find a "new post" button by MarcusMaximus04i agree with all those things but the compatibility score really bothered me. i feel like the reviewers are so used to the ipod/itunes exclusive compatibility crap that they forgot how lame it actually is, such as the fact that after using an ipod with itunes you can't get another mp3 player because everything you have is in m4p but zunes don't have that problem
if the ipod/itunes system had just come out i feel like it definitely would have gotten a lower compatibility score. i still feel like the zune should have lost that round because it's only compatible on pc and not compatible with protected stuff but it shouldn't have lost by 4 points, i personally don't have a mac or protected music though so it's not an issue with me, but the fact that i can't use wmp to transfer is
The Zune deserves at couple more points
by djdj - 12/5/07 9:01 AM In reply to: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80 by headbusta27The Zune really seemed to get knocked for file format compatibility, which I can understand to some degree. But I do think that it deserves at least a couple more points (distributed among the judges) for having a wider variety of supported file formats. This is actually the main reason I went with the Zune over the iPod. My music is in WMA format (I ripped my 1000+ CDs before AAC started to catch on) which meant that an iPod wouldn't even work for me. Since the Zune supports it, it definitely wins out in that race.
Apple intentionally limits the file formats that the iPod will play (disabling WMA support for example) while Microsoft is trying to be more accepting of outside formats than they have in the past. Props to MS.
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