MP3 players: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80
No EQ ever
by chustar - 12/3/07 11:02 AM In reply to: zune sounds good. by ivandragoI read somewhere (can't remember) that they took the EQ out. Rooted it out of the hardware infact. So, the zune will NEVER support EQ. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what i heard. But it supposedly sounds great without it (i don't own one) so does it really matter?
EQ in Hardware?
by irperez - 12/3/07 4:07 PM In reply to: No EQ ever by chustarEQ is most definately not a hardware thing. Its part of the API. In other words its a software thing. Just like volume is.
BTW, I have a Zune 30GB. It had EQ before and with the new firmware it still has the same EQ. Its not the type of EQ where you have bass, treble settings. Rather it has presets like Hip-Hop, Dance, Jazz, etc. Its not the best settings, but at least its something.
Microsoft is good at listening to the users lately. I'm sure they will add a full featured EQ.
You know what bugs me... they didn't mention the software and the marketplace all that much. The new software rocks with awesome podcast support. And the social feature is so awesome! I have friends who are zune users and I can see what they like to listen to without being close to them via my zune player, but rather the web.
actually it is hardware
by ktreb - 12/3/07 7:32 PM In reply to: EQ in Hardware? by irperezThe EQ won't be addressed in the form of a software update for the 2nd generation Zunes. This wasn't mentioned in the official review: Donald Bell, of the MP3 Insider podcast mentioned that Microsoft confirmed that they took the EQ out of the hardware. I'm not sure which podcast, but I think it would have been in the last month, possibly the one for Nov. 6.
hehe actually you're both wrong...
by MarcusMaximus04 - 12/4/07 11:55 PM In reply to: actually it is hardware by ktrebThe eq chip WAS taken out of the hardware to save battery life so that's why there's no eq. That being said, the ARM processor the zune is using is more than capable of running a software eq so ms can bring it back in a future update 
debate over zune
by valkire100 - 12/3/07 10:42 AM In reply to: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80 by headbusta27i got the 30 gb zune when it first came out last year, everyone thought that i should have gotten a ipod but no one seemed to know all the +, and since i've had my zune i've been educating everyone interested in a media player to consider all the benifits of the zune. bigger screen, wireless social networking and now wireless sync, and now that the system has been updated, you can get your favorite podcast too, and if you haven't seen or hear a podcast yet, i encourage all to take a look, you might find shows that just might interest you.
VIdeo on Zune
by Cruton - 12/3/07 1:17 PM In reply to: debate over zune by valkire100Being in the market for a new MP3 player, I am considering getting a Zune, however I have not seen how easy it is to get movies onto the device. Is it possible and how easy is it to get my DVD of Cars onto a Zune?
video on zune
by 99bananas - 12/3/07 1:21 PM In reply to: VIdeo on Zune by Crutonthats easy get clonedvd mobile
I use this one too
by ktreb - 12/3/07 7:34 PM In reply to: video on zune by 99bananasbut I'm copying for the iPod, but it can handle multiple formats
It is very easy to get DVD's onto a Zune.
by LocustDevil911 - 12/3/07 1:59 PM In reply to: VIdeo on Zune by CrutonI have no problem ripping DVD's onto my Zune. The Zune is great and has never given me any problems. I wish I could say that about my previous iPods.
Compatibility Issues
by 99bananas - 12/3/07 12:08 PM In reply to: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80 by headbusta27Wow! I'm wondering, how is it possible that the Zune and the iPod can truly be compared in this manner? This does not seem like a fair assessment to me.
To begin with, the major contention in your comparison is that the Zune will not be compatible with Mac’s. My question is then, why would it need to be made Mac compatible? It does not need to be, because the Zune is not meant to crossover between the two as the iPod did.
Secondly, did Mac conform to the use of mp3 files on PC’s? No, they made a new file (an m4p) Which, by the way, an m4p file is essentially a Mac virus for PC owners. The m4p file itself often cannot be used in music programs or on burned CD’s. Does this sound to you like a successful attempt at overlapping systems? Better yet, does it sound like compatibility to you?
If we want to consider compatibility problems, what about reading and recognizing multiple file types? No one considered this when putting the two side by side. I think it is important for you to know that the Zune recognizes more file types than the iPod. For example, where is iPod when it comes to a wmv file? Probably the same place Zune is when it comes to an m4p—Not able to read it. The only difference is no one cares about m4p files, because, as I previously mentioned, an m4p file is in essence, a virus on a PC.
I cannot understand how these arguments were made against the Zune. The explanations given for the Zune having incompatibility issues are weak, at best and should not dissuade anyone using a PC from looking into a Zune as your next music player.
Keep in mind, the iPod was initially created to be used with Macs, but because it was new technology it caught on to Mac users and Pc users alike. People in general, even if they had a PC, wanted to utilize the new technology. Now, the Zune, which is a Microsoft product, is out there and it offers more technology than the iPod for PC users,with less of the compatibility issues. It is really pointless to compare the two, because although they are both music players they are fundamentally different and the Zune is capable of working better with a PC than an iPod.
Compatibility Score should ignore DRM formats
by digitboy - 12/3/07 1:45 PM In reply to: Compatibility Issues by 99bananasDRM is dead. And anyone wasting money on DRM music files is, well, sort of like paying the mob.
"Licenses" which continually need refresing, songs I've already downloaded "no longer available for relicensing", Microsoft hotfixes that have to be uninstalled and apps reinstalled. Yahoo, Rhaphsody and services like them are frauds. Yeah, it's ONLY 9 bucks a month (each), but after I've paid $9 + $9 for 24 months, how many of the 200 songs on my player do I own? ZERO!
The RIAA can blow me.
couldn't agree more
by bnkcubed - 12/3/07 7:21 PM In reply to: Compatibility Score should ignore DRM formats by digitboyI don't understand paying a monthly fee and when you quit, you lose the music. Give me $.99 anytime. I can make a CD of my music and play it forever.
That's what you get from "official" reviewers
by rvikul - 12/3/07 3:31 PM In reply to: Compatibility Issues by 99bananasI have to come to not expect any technical details from official reviewers. User reviews are usually far more technical and provide comparisons at levels that are applicable to regular people.
4:1 and calling it a draw is the lamest crap ever. How long did each of the 3 judges actually use these products for? 2 minutes??
If there are any intelligent readers of this comparison, then this is just very insulting to all of them.
OK. Back to the software/hardware debate.
by wanderson1995 - 12/16/07 3:51 PM In reply to: Compatibility Issues by 99bananasOK. Apple is a hardware company. Microsoft a software company. Zune, a puppet for Vista. They want you to buy MS so you can use Zune. Apple wants to sell their product. Would it make sense for a OSX compatible device?
I completley agree!
by sims12345 - 12/3/07 12:42 PM In reply to: iPod Classic VS. Zune 80 by headbusta27The zune has way better value, what with all the features built in. I have never owned an ipod because i know that there a better players with more features for equal or lesser value.
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