Community weekly poll: Will you be installing Windows Vista?
- 1/30/07 4:24 PM
Windows Vista
by edy rudnick pineless - 11/22/07 9:08 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I was told NOT to install Windows Vista, as it is not compatible or supported by our software company at work. I manage a medical office and we purchased the Intergy practice management and EHR hardware/software by Sage, and we were told they wouldn't support any computers using Vista.
Vista continues to run FLAWLESSLY - for one year, so far.
by EscapePod - 11/22/07 9:32 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I have found that my Vista Ultimate, and Home Premium, have performed flawlessly for the year since final release. Four PCs, running 24/7, have had NO issues whatsoever. All four PCs were built by me, and contain hardware I specifically chose for Vista.
The only other OS that has performed this well (and maybe a little better) is Gutsy Gibbon ubuntu (loaded on two other PCs).
Vista and Office 2007 - Why?
by stu281 - 11/22/07 9:33 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
What does either program bring to the party? We are running Windows 2000 and Office 2003. Everything runs great! I haven't seen one feature in either that is a "must have." All of my hardware is running well even though some are a "little long of tooth."
I don't have to scour the internet for the latest fix to breath life back into another Microsoft effort to push their vision of personal computing down my throat.
If you want to see at what true functionality looks like.. load a WordPerfect suite. Compare the original version of Viso and compare it to the mess that Microsoft has made of the application.
If I wanted to live with bugs, I would start an ant-farm.
Went from W98 to Vista, never used XP
by brentskie - 11/22/07 9:58 AM In reply to: Vista and Office 2007 - Why? by stu281I never even used the XP op. system. I was still using my original P.C. (Dell,P-II, XPS-350)that was 10 yrs old as well as W/98 that came installed with it (and happy with it) until it finally crashed and figurewd it wasn't worth the problem (or cost)of fixing.
So,I figured it was time to buy a new PC so I bought one with Vista Premium installed.
Since I never knew,used XP, I had nothing to compare it to other than W/98 and it was obviously a big improvement over that.
I love it and in the 10 months I've used it, I haven't had the slightest problem or glich.
Find it hard to believe XP being that much better that some people decide to downgrade (or upgrade if you like XP that much better) from Vista to XP.
Maybe never having used XP made Vista very easy for me to accept,use and appreciate all its functions.
Will you be installing Windows Vista on your system this yea
by paiadave - 11/22/07 9:47 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
"No way! (Why not?)"
My feelings right now are that Vista sounds like Windows ME. An OS that was not ready, should not have been released until it was finished and is a reaction to the pressure to put out a more secure OS. Build a good product Microsoft. If you have to go proprietary on hardware and software like Apple does then do it.
I am using Vista!!!!!
by Ron Geiken - 11/22/07 9:52 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I got a new desktop computer with Vista on it, and it had some problems initially with programs shutting down, but they seem to have corrected that problem pretty well. I just shut the UAC ( User Account Control) off for good on my laptop which I bought after my desktop went back to the manufacturer for some repairs involving Microsoft's WGA negating my validated copy of Vista. It is back now, but bought a laptop with Vista while it was gone. Vista is pretty good, it is just Microsoft that is so "sleazy"!!!! I especially like the gadgets column, and have it pretty well filled up. After all, Vista is only an operating system, and most of my 3rd part programs work fine with it. I have FireFox 2.0.0.9 and Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 installed, and they work great. Microsoft Office 2007 also works good.
Both of the computers are brand new and the hardware seems to be optimized for Vista, so there is no problem there. I also installed a couple of mid 1990s software, and they work OK even though one of them gives me an error message when I shut it down.
I think that Vista November 22, 2007 is plenty stable enough to provide a good platform for your 3rd party software.
When you get sick and tired of Microsoft's "Nanny Monitoring", you can just turn off the UAC through the control panel. and select User Accounts and adjust UAC to off with the selection of user account control on or off. I used this quite a bit in my desktop, but was trying to delete a bunch of folders that Vista had installed on an external hard drive. Just to erase 8 or 9 folders, it could have been a 10 to 15 minute affair. I got sick and tired of that kind of control and shut UAC off, and restarted computer, and was able to do the folder erasure like you could do it in XP.
Why they don't find some way of making UAC less intrusive is one of the questions of the decade. Hopefully they will come to their senses in Vista SP1. If not, I will continue to operate with it OFF!!!!!
It looks like I will be stuck with XP for a long time.
by Massivefro - 11/22/07 9:58 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I am a computer consultant for IBM Mainframe Computers and my PC contains a large number of programs provided by IBM and associated software companies which give me on-line access to the IBM operating system, CICS and many main-frame application programs for the purposes of performing Maintenance, Tuning and Customization procedures. Almost all of this software will not run under Vista and most companies supplying the software have no immediate plans to rewrite for Vista.
I am currently running Windows XP Professional and will probably have to continue running XP until all this software can be rewritten.
Voted "No Way!"
by Clintmax - 11/22/07 10:10 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
My desktop computer (a presario SR1330NX) performs beautifully! I have upgraded the video card, amount of memory and the power supply, so XP Home works great! Having just upgraded those components, I have no reason to upgrade to Vista. I purchased a Toshiba laptop recently that had Vista on it, and I must say that I like XP better.
Right now, there are too many compatibility issues between Vista and some software manufacturers...notably, Rhapsody. I use Rhapsody ALL the time (I subscribe yearly) and can not go without it! I know that it is up to the software manufacturers to make THEIR products compatible, but jeez! No Rhapsody??? No way!
Already Using Windows Vista - Working perfectly.
by mrmagill - 11/22/07 10:38 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
Ok, I've read all the doom and gloom about Vista and had pretty much fallen in to the mindset of "Yet Another MS Operating System" to worry about. I've used every Microsoft operating system since DOS 3.0 was NEW, with the exception of OS/2. So far, the Vista operating system is the most pleasant experience out of the box of any of them.
Some comment that "Our supplier won't support anything on a Vista machine" and that's a valid concern. One has to wonder though, is it the OS or do they just not have time to train their workers in a new product?
I had considered staying with XP when I bought a new computer a while back, but Dell no longer offered it. Also, I thought since the End of Support is coming for XP, why stay with something that's on its way out? So Vista it was. And I am very glad of it - the integration of all of the various functions is flawless.
Much of Vista would seem to be coupling it with the right hardware, as with any OS. Just as you don't run Windows XP on a 286 machine, you don't run Vista on a machine without the "horsepower" to do it. This machine of mine is an out-of-the-box Dell Inspiron 530, with 2 GB of RAM, dual-core processors at 2 Ghz. Works perfectly.
So my word to you is, despite my general mistrust of anything new from Microsoft, don't condem the OS until you've at least tried it. The only thing I've found that won't work on it so far is my outdated copy of Nero, and for $6 on Ebay, a new version that does is on the way.
Mark Magill
Coos Bay, Oregon USA
Tried It And Didn't Like It #2
by kazual13 - 11/22/07 11:26 AM In reply to: Already Using Windows Vista - Working perfectly. by mrmagillMrmagill, I would beg to differ. While I agree there are some things better with Vista, the amount of memory/juice/power it sucks up is for my money not worth the cost. Unless you need and are using the graffics which suck up much of that juice, XP works much better, much faster. And as All Windows OP's, as I am sure with your experience you are well aware, there will be endless patches to FIX what they failed to construct properly with their billions of dollars, in the first place. Especially with regard to YOUR security. Be scared. Be very scared. I would be. You may want to read any computer blog regarding this to be forwarned and informed. Like Webware, TechRepublic, also CNet of course.
I don't know any company in any line of business that could get away with their shoddy way practices. They ONLY dominate the market with their exclusivity contracts they signed with the major computer manufacturers, as I am sure you are well aware. But that is another tangent entirely, which I hope you forgive my indulgence. Good luck, and happy computing. Kazual13
Currently using Vista Home Premium, works flawlessly.
by mrmagill - 11/22/07 12:06 PM In reply to: Tried It And Didn't Like It #2 by kazual13You wrote: "While I agree there are some things better with Vista, the amount of memory/juice/power it sucks up is for my money not worth the cost"
Reply : Good points, this machine though seems to have them in abundance and it is not an issue. I probably should have mentioned that this is Vista Home Premium running here, but in 2 GB of RAM and with the dual-core processor it has just all in all been a very pleasant experience. I'm behind a hardware firewall, so no problems there. Running a nice internet security suite from McAfee, so that seems OK there. The monitor that came with the Insiprion 530 is their standard 19" wide-screen digital, and the color and graphics seem amazing to me.
Perhaps you'd take a moment to tell me more about the "memory/juice/power it sucks up" - I've never run out of memory or even come close. About the biggest program I run is Adobe Creative Studio 2 and the MS Office / MS Publisher programs. Were you speaking of electrical power on "juice" - ? I need the heat in this cold room anyway... 
I do hope you get back to this thread. Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone else Out There, and I look forward to your reply.
Mark Magill
Coos Bay, Oregon USA
I would have been even more angry if I had paid for it
by faolan1 - 11/22/07 10:45 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I got Vista as a free "upgrade" with the laptop I bought in the spring. The short version of my thoughts on Vista after using it for the past several months is that the $5 shipping fee for the Vista DVD is more than Vista is worth.
I have an Asus laptop with a Core 2 Duo T7200 CPU, 2GB of RAM and a Radeon X1700 video card, and Vista is still slow, buggy, and crash prone. It is fully patched with all of the Microsoft updates as well as the latest drivers, and as of this morning it still has issues such as locking up completely when trying to change folder sharing permissions while logged in as the administrator. I have had to do more hard reboots with Vista in the past couple of months than I have with XP over the past several years.
Don't Do It!
by sounddude51 - 11/22/07 10:58 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I recently bought a wonderful HP laptop that I just dearly love. For the money, you can't do better. Of course, for more money you can do better.
But it came loaded with Vista. Oh boy, where do I start?
I had done a lot of reading prior to buying and since. It all seems to be true. First, the operating system seems to be 4 to 5 times the size of XP Pro (which I really liked after it's all updated and tweaked). Talk about bloat! And it's terribly slow. Now this is on a fast Dual processor laptop that should zip. Forget any serious use with Vista. With no programs loaded or running, Vista still uses 60-70% of available memory. Oink! I'll have to go back to a Mac if this is the future of Windoze.
And the new high security system? For those who haven't used it yet, the new security system is merely a series of pop up windows that ask you if you want to do the action you just told the computer to do. THAT'S IT! Click...do you really want to do that...YES, I JUST CLICKED IT, IDIOT SYSTEM!!! Oh, Ok...Click...do you really want to do that....AARRGHHH!
And the new design of the whole system is not intuitive. And hard to figure out. It works against you constantly. In my work I use lot's of media files, graphics, etc. Man this system hates that. So I'm always having to search out getting permission to save, move and change files I'm currently working on. And that's while working in Administrative mode! Now, this can be defeated, but then what is the need for a new system if I'm just going to undo the features of the new system? What a mess.
There's a lot more too but not room here to discuss. The "Mac like" graphics are kind of cool, but certainly not worth using this OS for. So since I don't have much on the computer yet (mostly been using it for three months for email on the road), I'm planning on dumping Vista (MS, can I get a credit for this?) and installing my trusted and stable XP Pro which is fast, stable, easy, much smaller, and secure enough with the patches, my double firewalls, virus software, malware programs.....
My recommendation: DON'T DO IT !!! If you like XP Pro, buy you a new box, format the hard drive and do an install of XP. You'll be a lot happier!
I'm enjoying VistaI
by Shyamalas\ - 11/22/07 11:32 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
I waited what I thought would be a reasonable time so that the driver issues would be ironed out. Right now, I'm dealing patiently with a Nuance product, Paperport. Otherwise, all has gone comfortably. I'm glad I was familiar with XP to appreciate the pluses and minuses of this OS. No way would I consider MAC or LINUX. Can't be spending my valuable time inventing work arounds and living on blogs to figure out what to do and what technical skills I have are best utilized elsewhere.
I'm not in love with Gates but find Jobs less lovable imho
I'm already using it (How do you like it?)
by robkemme - 11/22/07 11:38 AM In reply to: Will you be installing Windows Vista? by Marc Bennett
Well, I have been using it. I am back to XP again. So, did I like it? NO. It looks nice, but too many problems with older applications and I think power consumption is far too high!
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