2 things about this, I understand that adding these extra junk programs lowers the price because those people pay to have that stuff on there, BUT:
1) a person should be able to pick and choose what they want and dont want as far as extras on a new unit, with out a change in the price.
OR
2) if an off the shelf unit, then the maker should have a program in it to remove anything that you dont want with ease.
Maybe Cnet can put the bug in manufacturers ears about this!
I built my current system (value: apx $2000) for almost $2200. Reason; NO CRAPWARE. The difference in price was the purchase of software that I did want. I don't use AOL, I don't want toolbars, I can't stand Semanticrap, and aside from my OSs, yes there are 4 running on this system, each stable, 99% of my software is freeware, 1% registered shareware.
I can do more with all these wonderful free programs than I ever could if I registered all the paid crapware demos, used the free stuff, and registered Semanticrap's system debilitating software.
XP boots in less than 20 seconds, from cold to full-tilt, Vista in under a minute.
For the tech impaired, support your local computer shop, pay just a tad extra, or the same, and get a computer tailored to your own needs, ala carte, that will outperform just about any mainstream (cough: dell, cough: sony) system on the market. Without the crapware, crippleware, and bloatware.
It doesn't matter, I install my own systems.
I much prefer to install what I want and not what is given...personally I don't buy the whole package from a store, I tend to build myself and that way I get what I want for a lot less
The last computer I bought came with the installation disks of windows as well as the recovery disks. If I really want a clean machine, I'll reinstall windows. Otherwise, I'll just uninstall the software. Thankfully, I didn't get anything "extra" except hardware utilities and maybe some internet links in the worst case.
I personally hate pre-installed trial versions. People begin a project then whoops expired. Over the years (I never thought it could happen) I have favored Macs even though they are $$$. My one PC runs Windows 2000; has an old large monitor and has NOTHING preinstalled. There are never any surprises. The old software versions convert perfectly on my macs.
I think much of it is unnecessary, I don't use it, & it slows down the performance of my computer. How does one Add/Remove programs in Vista?
I build my own computers so I defiantly don't have to worry about bloatware (or whatever they are calling it). However, if I ever did decide on a laptop, any and all software that I don't like will be removed (whether they like it or not)!
I say that, but I still end up formatting the hard disk and loading a virgin copy of the OS on the machine. I end up doing this for a majority of my family as well, after their machines have slowed down to a crawl because of these additional apps, plus the tool bars they get from loading things like Acrobat and their ISP's "feature" CD.
They don't call it "crap-ware" for nothing.
I do feel sorry for those without the technical resources to perform a wipe and load. They are the ones that come to me at work with sad stories about how their month old machine doesn't work well (if at all), and looking for advice.
I just finished hooking up several dozen (125 sites by all the volunteer teams) of our over 55+ RV Park residents to DSL. Even before installation and many times after I was asked "How can I get rid of all of these annoying pop-up (register, update, ??) things that are slowing down my computer and the enjoyment of it?
The software manufacturers would make more friends if they just placed their software on CDs and let the new owners install what they were interested in.
Sam
I would pay more for alittle less like about $100.00. Some of the extra's they put just are not worth the space and time it takes just to even look at it. But I must say afew of the little extra's that were on my PC were worth it...and I did use. eg: Norton Internet Security (free for 90 days, ended up buying when ran out). Sonic for my lightscribe. Full basic use.
I just purchased a new notebook pc from HP. I purchased and customized it online. I was frustrated that the fastest HP laptop only had a 1.5 ghz processor. Basically, you can only buy the basic low entry models in stores. I wanted more, so had to build and buy online. The good thing here is that I got to pick the majority of software which came on my pc. I already owned ms office home and student, Roxio Easy Mdiea Creator 10, and Norton Internet Security. I stil ended up with Media creator 9 basic, ms office h&s. This was convenient for the office program. All I had to do was to enter my key code. I had to remove Mdea Creator 9 basic, Easy internet Signup, and Vongo. I know that pc's sold in stores have way much more crapware installed on them.
Just about all of the software that has been on a machine I've purchased has fallen into one of the following categories: (1) that which I would never use, (2) cripple-ware that is unusable unless one shells out an additional fee, or (3) something that is so riddled with adware the computer is nearly unusable until one buys additional software to completely clean the computer to get rid of all the garbage.
On name brand systems, like HP or Dell you get a lower price, because of the advertising they do. Like installing other people's software, and some of it can cause problems the first time you try to use it...like the games that connect to the web, the site's can cause spyware, or worse.
I find the argument unsound.
It makes the computer a touch cheaper and I can try whatever is there and delete it if I do not like it.
What is the problem?
I bought a Macbook recently. I deleted the M/S stuff straight away.
Shafiq
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