Home audio & video: Plasma vs. LCD or is it Myths vs Lies
I'm losing resolution
by drhesqiq - 11/17/07 6:47 AM In reply to: Plasma vs LCD Television by JCipoJust a note to follow-up on a great post; you can spell, arrange words into a coherent sentence, are adventuresome with your grammar but when you are, there is plenty of punctuation to see you through. It was so refreshing and informative that I came off it truly enriched. There is one thing, however, that I wanted to note: Is it the TV or me that lose resolution when we are too close together?
The is no resolution lost or gained...
by Pannylover4ever - 11/17/07 10:43 AM In reply to: I'm losing resolution by drhesqiqIn respone to drhesqiq above.
You don't loose or gain resolution when you get close to the screen. Resolution is a fixed number of dots your screen has to display viewing material. Your house doesn't get smaller when you walk away from it and it doesn't get bigger when you walk towards it, you just see things farther away or closer.
When you get close enough to the screen you start seeing the pixels that make up the picture. Most screens are designed with a certain viewing distance in mind. Computer screens have to have a higher resolution since you tend to sit about 2 feet away.
Every plasma and LCD screen will look good with material displayed in its native resolution at 2x viewing distance. You won't really start to notice lack of resolution until you pass the 60" mark.
Just the other day, I was looking at a 58" 720P screen a few feet away at Costo, and it still looked very good. So until you start getting past 58", 1080P is not an issue since you won't see the difference if you sit 2x screen size away.
The commonly recommended SMPTE optimal viewing distance recommendation for HD screens is 2x diagonal screen size. Viewing distance preference however is subjective depending on the person watching, some like to sit closer than 2x and some like to sit farther away.
If you like to see what resolution you need for your viewing distance, the information is available here in great detail:
http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/HDTV_Viewing_Distance.htm
Hope that helps...
B&H Photo
by scrushmaster - 11/16/07 11:48 AM In reply to: Bad Luck NOT bad plasma by mynx626They buy stuff from out of the country, sell it as a U.S. model, then give you a 3 year warranty through a 3rd party warranty company. The manufactures do not cover most of their units due to them being from other country's. Good luck!
IMO For Plasma's aren't as good as a Liquid Crystal Display.
by CaspersAPBT - 11/20/07 8:07 AM In reply to: Bad luck by fnashFirst off I work for a Major Retailer and I KNOW for a FACT (Just in Devo's or Fixes). Return's And/Or complaints that Plasma's are nowhere as "Hassle-Free" as an LCD. Yes both look great Plasma a little brighter, a bit heavier (At least the Sony's) than the LCD's, but both get the same 90 degree viewing angle. And BOTH are VERY nice TV's.
But again just from what I've Personally seen and heard from customers themselves I would NOT be buying a Plasma ANYTIME soon.
And Yes I also agree that some store employee's do NOT know anything. I had an emplyee ask me where to buy or send in the tv when it runs of of Plasma (Obviously thinking it was filled with Plasma) because the customer wanted to know! TRUTH!
And if that's BAD LUCK with two's tv's. I DO NOT think so. And honestly you are NOT supposed to lie a Plamsa on the screen down as you can an LCD. Now ask yourself (Do the people in the warehouse make sure they screen are ALWAYS up when there is a 6000 piece truck that night.
The answer is NO! So if it WAS bad luck than chances are he got it from a retailer like the one I used to work at before. We would keep Plasma's Face down in the warehouse for MONTHS!
I also do not like Projection TV's DLP's. But yes a 1080p Plasma and a 1080p LCD IF PROPERLY maintained and BOUGHT from a good retailer WILL last you years.
And ALWAYS buy the EXTENDED warranty, ALWAYS! What's more $400.00 for 4 years or a nice brand new TV at around $2,000 - $7,000.
Again in my OWN opinion!
IMO For Plasma's aren't as good as a Liquid Crystal Display
by astrobuf - 11/20/07 8:33 AM In reply to: IMO For Plasma's aren't as good as a Liquid Crystal Display. by CaspersAPBTA Sony PDP, there is no such thing in the US, save for some old low res SD grade junk. Tragically, Sony has made a number of bad decisions and does not actually make any main stream TV product anymore. The PDP's they do sell (in Asia) are actually made by Hitachi and the LCD's are made by Samsung, go figure out why people still think they are a TV leader!
As to durability, check the latest Consumer Reports, PDP and LCD TV's both feature low trouble rates, on the order of 2-3% for major brands such as Samsung, Pioneer and Panasonic.
Finally, re: extended warranties, this is a bad bad bet. CU again rejects them as the TV's are now reliable enough that it is not a prudent investment. New main line PDP's are closer to $1000 these days. A $400 maintenance contract is ridiculous.
If you really are a TV salesman, you need to get a better grasp of the facts to be of service to your customers.
Astrobuf
Re:IMO For Plasma's aren't as good as a LCD
by Pannylover4ever - 11/20/07 8:06 PM In reply to: IMO For Plasma's aren't as good as a Liquid Crystal Display by astrobufI have to concur with astrobuf on this one. The data simply doesn't support what is being presented.
The price point for 42" to 58" plasma screens is around $1k to $4k, you have to go to 65" or higher for anything close to $7k, not a screen everyday consumer would buy for sure.
We have to separate the plasma problems people have posted here into name brands and no-name brands. Almost all the posts here mention Vizio, Toshiba, Dell and other second tier brands as having problems, or screens that are several years old. That is well before the 7th and 8th generation screens came out, which addressed most of the initial concerns, like burn in and lifespan. Current screens are 10th and 11th generation and are rated at up to 100.000 hours.
The only name brand mentioned (a burn in issue), a Pioneer, was a store display, left with a DVD menu on for weeks and months on end, not a typical consumer setup.
So most (or all) plasma problems brought up so far have been second tier brands, store demos, floor models or old technology. Hardly representative of current technology.
CU 12/2007 issue reports the failure rate for Panasonic plasma and LCD screens the same, 2%. Pioneer plasma, along with the LCD leaders Sony, Sharp and Samsung are at 3%. Samsung Plasma is 5%. Dell LCD failure rate is 11%. So the name brand leaders in LCD and Plasma screens are tied at a failure rate of 3% or less.
Extended warranty's are hardly ever needed, and cost more than the first repair, so as such are a waste of money.
If you compare apples to apples here, the facts simply don't favor either technology reliability wise.
As far as Sony, they were simply making too much money on the Trinitron CRT's to be bothered with the newfangled LCD and Plasma technology. When they finally woke up, they were so far behind that they had to have Samsung make the LCD panels for them.
I used to have a Sony 36" flat CRT along with a Sony VCR. After their quality went down the drain, everything got replaced with Panasonic, the screen, the DVD player and the DVD recorder/VCR.
They are trying to make a comeback, but it is slow going.
The plasma must be upright myth....
by Pannylover4ever - 11/20/07 8:29 PM In reply to: Re:IMO For Plasma's aren't as good as a LCD by Pannylover4everForgot to address the last plasma issue people mention for all the wrong reasons, the "you must not lay the plasma screen down flat" issue.
While it is true that this is recommended, it is not due the the reasons listed. There are no liquids or anything that will settle wrong like an air conditioner if the screen is laid down flat. The reason why you are not to lay it down flat, is due to the weight of the glass panels that make up the screen.
The glass panels are heavy and fragile, and as such can crack when only held by the screen frame. Same reason you see all those glass transporting vans and trucks around the city transport glass vertically, glass is more fragile when laid flat. Same reason why your glass table is a half inch thick, and weighs 300 pounds.
If like the salesman stated, your screen was stored for months flat and survived, then no damage was done and your screen survived. If the screen arrives cracked, it didn't survive.
Another reason why reputable online retailers have you unpack the screen, and inspect it, before you sign for it. And maybe also a reason why buying from a small reputable store is a smarter choice, than saving a nickel at the Megalomart.
Brand???
by tvolkes - 11/18/07 10:08 AM In reply to: Plasma vs LCD by gene190You didn't mention the brand.... Cheap make perhaps?
Bad Manufacturers not Bad Luck
by Masyanlah - 12/15/07 9:46 PM In reply to: Plasma vs LCD by gene190In Malaysia, for budget LCD TV/monitor, LG good enough; for PLASMA get
PANASONIC, really good after sales service. Get HP you'll get surprise free gift namely "STARTPAGE" TROJAN in the driver cd.
LASER TV??
by tagurrit - 11/15/07 10:49 AM In reply to: Lol... by stuntman_mikeOne of the replies to this post mentions LASER TV so I went to Wickipedia and found out about Laser TV and they say it'll be fall of 2007. OK it's fall of 2007 where are they? Anyone seen one? Are they 25% less and 50% better than LCD and Plasma?
Laser TVs
by scorcher409 - 11/15/07 6:39 PM In reply to: LASER TV?? by tagurritI believe Lasers will be used in DLPs as alternative to Lamps or LEDs. There has been a delay in the release of this technology and I know of 1 manufacturer planning on releasing the technology next year 2008/2009. I'm sure others are also going to follow.
DLP and LCOS TV
by astrobuf - 11/15/07 8:55 PM In reply to: Laser TVs by scorcher409Hmm, have you noticed the number of vendors who are throwing in the towel on projection TV of any kind. There is no money to be made in tis business, so there will be no development. The LCOS and DLP vendors are fleeing and hoping to find ways of making money by putting a projector into your cell phone.
Laser TV, it will work as well as did SED!
Astrobuf
DLP/ LCOS vrs smaller flat panels
by scorcher409 - 11/16/07 4:34 AM In reply to: DLP and LCOS TV by astrobufThe advantage that Lazer TV brings is a 4" to 5" deep case. and being projection you will be able to get a 70" screen for under 3K. The New York Times had an article several months ago that predicted that 50% or so of the households would have a 70" TV in their home in a few years. Sounds like a risky prediction but include me in that 50%, I will buy a 70" 4 to 5 inch deep DLP in a heart beat (I'll have to get rid of my Wall Unit). They still provide the best value / DLP doesn't burn / and they have greater capabilities such as 3D capable.
I just pulled up all the reviews on this website for every TV that the editor has ever reviewed, number 1 was a small sony TV, then 2 50" plasmas and then it was a 65"DLP. There is no doubt that flat panels are dominating the industry's demand however projection TVs don't compete with Flat Panels because DLPs are designed to be big, It is like compaing a SUV to a sports car. They are different and have different places in the market. I own 2 plasmas in my bedrooms. 1 LCD in the Den (very bright room) 2 DLPs 1 in the family room and another in the basement. These are the real work horse TVs in my house. Football could not be better than on a 73" screen. It is the same as when I go to the theater, the quality stinks but just after a few minutes I'm settling back becoming enveloped in the plot of the movie. Size dominates quality always.
LASER not LAZER
by kulanb - 11/17/07 6:16 PM In reply to: DLP/ LCOS vrs smaller flat panels by scorcher409(L)ight (A)mplification by (S)timulated (E)mission of (R)adiation
Sorry if I'm being anal, but it's an acronym and ztimulated is not a word.
| Forum legend: | |
 |
Locked thread |
 |
Moderator |
 |
CNET staff |
 |
Samsung staff |
 |
Norton Authorized Support team |
 |
AVG staff |
 |
Windows Outreach team |
 |
Dell staff |
 |
Intel staff |
