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Home audio & video: Plasma vs. LCD or is it Myths vs Lies
Motion Blur still a big issue
by baseballcoach1 - 11/15/07 10:54 AM In reply to: Motion Blur still a big issue by jose_luis2006And I'm sure you still enjoy your music from your 8 track player too.
What's that got to do with anything?
by b8375629 - 11/15/07 2:22 PM In reply to: Motion Blur still a big issue by baseballcoach1-
Your wife makes watch the stupid housewife show?
by Ayesyt - 11/27/07 1:08 PM In reply to: Yes I would still buy a plasma by gabereyesWhen she's done, maybe you should have her proof read your writing.
Burn ins
by eddiep71 - 11/14/07 7:18 PM In reply to: But what about burn ins? by dgdenIf i was to answer "yes" to any of the three questions you asked, then I would got with LCD. I have 42 & 50 inch panasonic plasmas we bought last year and we are very satisified with them. Rated very highly by consumer reports also but my answer was "no" to the questions you asked.
4x3 Burn-in is a REAL problem!
by LDrees - 11/14/07 10:33 PM In reply to: But what about burn ins? by dgdenI bought a 42" Samsung plasma last year. There wasn't as much 16x9 programming available, and I watched much in 4x3. The TV burned a pinkish haze in the 4x3 (middle) of the screen. So when I watch 16x9 the middle area is clearly visible with a white background or sky. Samsung is aware of this problem, but does not clearly and loudly warn about the hazard - i.e. you apparently should watch 4x3 in expanded mode (which distorts the 4x3 image). I can't name any manufacturer who warrants against it - i.e. they specifically exclude any burn-in problems. I wouldn't have bought plasma if I knew, but I can't say whether a LCD would not have similar problems.
Samsung has screen burn set-up features "All White" and "Signal Pattern" which they suggest will correct burn problems. Samsung suggested running for 1-2 hours. It did little to nothing. I talked to a A/V tech and he suggested running it for "Days". I have been running both nighly for a month and have had some improvement - i.e. fading of the colored haze.
Bottom line is that sceenburn is real, makers know it, but rather than warn about it, they make specific exclusions for it in their warranty.
If somebody tells you it can't screen-burn get a guarantee in writing.
4x3 burn in..
by Pannylover4ever - 11/17/07 10:19 AM In reply to: 4x3 Burn-in is a REAL problem! by LDreesIn response to LDrees above.
Every plasma manufacturer warns against burn it in the manual and has specific steps to guard against it. Panasonic for example added automatic gray bars on the sides when you watch 4x3 programming, to minimize or eliminate that problem.
If you watch anamorphic wide screen DVD's you will also get bars on the top and bottom of the screen.
The only solution is to run the built in screen savers regularly if you watch 4x3, or anamorphic programming frequently.
The latest plasma screens have the same burn in resistance as CRT screens. My 8th generation plasma hasn't had any burn in issues with video games, dvd menus or any non 16:9 programming. But I have the pixel orbiter always on, and the side bars turned on when needed.
If you read the manual and use the screen saver tools provided, you shouldn't have any problems.
REPLY to BURN-INS
by td1947 - 11/15/07 1:23 AM In reply to: But what about burn ins? by dgdenFYI: I recently bought a SAMSUNG LCD in the UK. The manual DOES print a warning about leaving static pictues on this TV. Especially from game boxes. If you must leave them on for long periods, it suggests turning the brightess control down. In common with other manufacturers, their warrantees will NOT cover burn-in screen issues.
TD
I don't know why...
by stuntman_mike - 11/14/07 11:02 AM In reply to: Plasma vs. LCD or is it Myths vs Lies by gabereyespeople that come to this site and are on these blogs are still scared of plasma. Hello?! All of the top rated TVs on this site are plasmas. If you search the net, many sites will have a Pioneer plasma as their editor's choice. You would think that people would use common sense and say to themselves "you know what... maybe most of what of the things I believe and have heard about plasmas just aren't true. Maybe they really do make TVs that aren't LCDs."
I am sorry to rant like this, but it's enough already. The world is not flat and plasmas aren't the boogey man hiding under your bed!
Any questions lol?!
Yet still...
by dgden - 11/14/07 1:46 PM In reply to: I don't know why... by stuntman_mikeLook I am very open to any technology be it Plasma, LCD, RP LCD, LED LCD, DLP, Laser TV (future). All I want is the best bang for my top dollar.
When these TVs get rated even on Cnet, not everything is accounted for. For example, the editor's choice right now on Cnet is the Pioneer Kuro PDP-5080HD. Best blacks, excellent picture and on and on...I go look and the darn thing is not even a true 1080p. 1,366x768? Excuse me, so maybe right now there aren't that many sources that would make a difference but what about 3 years from now, what about 5 years.
I just spend 3,500 on a top rated XBR4. Do you think I plan on getting rid of this TV in 3 years? Not even, I plan to get 5 years warranty from Sony and have it around 7-10years if possible. I want the technology of tomorrow to look good on my TV. I want the crispness and detail of 1080p...I want to see blue ray how it's meant to be seen.
So what that a few plasmas on the market can delivery slightly higher blacks. How many people will see a big difference between blacks on XBR4 and the above mentioned Pioneer...and they are closely matched in price...
Until the Plasma manufacturers themselves start claiming that their TVs WILL NOT burn-in when used like computer monitors, I am sticking to LCD. That's just my five cents.
Sigh... Believe what you want
by griz_fan - 11/14/07 8:02 PM In reply to: Yet still... by dgdendgden,
It is obvious you've done some reading on the subject, unfortunately not enough to get past the hype and BS, though. First, best bang for your $$$ will differ from person to person. But, don't for a second get caught up in the "true HD" crap. That Pioneer Kuro is a magnificent TV, and simple resolution is just one of many factors that contribute to a great picture (about 3rd or 4th on the list of importance, too). And give it up about the burn in!!! sheesh, you're a broken, somewhat whiney record. Burn in is possible, but on a properly adjusted TV, the odds are really long. and, let's face it, that backlight in your XBR4 ain't gonna last forever. Face it, all TV technologies have drawbacks. I will say this, though, more people will notice the better contrast ratio over higher resolution, that's for sure.
Wow
by Lac Man - 11/14/07 3:10 PM In reply to: Plasma vs. LCD or is it Myths vs Lies by gabereyesI'm not partial to LCD's or Plasmas. I've owned both and they both have their peaks. I now own an LCD because my LCD DID have burn-ins form video gaming. I love the pictures on both LCD and Plasmas, they are both amazing and if you think back to 10 years ago, they are jaw-dropping compared to what we used to huddle around. I respect the post, but seems like your pretty angry pal, like you have a grudge against LCD's? They weigh even, the bad thing about a plasma can be a great thing about an LCD, and visa versa. I will agree that there are many, many...many lies about plasmas that are just foolish, but many you listed I have never heard and I've owned one rear projection, three plasmas and two LCD's now. All-in-all PLASMAS AND LCD'S ARE BOTH GREAT TELEVISIONS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT! No reason to get uspet or complain...or take the time out of your day to rant and rave about why LCD's are bad and plasmas are god's greatest gift! Try buying one or the other, trying it out in your 30-day return window and retuen it if your not satisfied! Enjoy whichever you have and be glad you aren't still watching that 27" Zenith in your grandparents living room that crackled and got a fuzzy picture and sometimes smelled like a burning 'rubber band' factory...or maybe your families was a wopping 32" RCA T.V.!
Hey, LCD is crisper
by Jefferis Peterson - 11/14/07 6:41 PM In reply to: Plasma vs. LCD or is it Myths vs Lies by gabereyesHey, for me, a layman, it is all visual. I've compared Plasma to LCD side by side, many models and makes. I always felt that the plasma looked fuzzy by comparison to LCD. But neither was as crisp as the high end mirrored DLP, whiich I cannot afford.
Glare?
by lucky43210 - 11/14/07 6:56 PM In reply to: Hey, LCD is crisper by Jefferis PetersonOne thing I haven't seen anyone talk about is glare. I realize that Plasmas now come with an anti-glare option but if you have your set in a bright room, from what I've seen, the Plasma seems to have a lot more glare than an LCD.
Projection LCD televisions!!!!!!!!!!
by cvesser - 11/14/07 8:41 PM In reply to: Glare? by lucky43210Well there's Plasma, LCD, DLP, CRT and projection televisions out there and a few more I suppose.
I like many others have heard all the bull to put it lightly and am as confused as most, and I might add that all my TV's are 10 years old at least. So I go shopping for what I can use to fit my tast and needs. I look for 2 weeks to see whats out there.
I rotate to Sears and found a perfect TV for the bedroom......
Samsung model S4266W DLP set 400.00!
Perfect size and perfect for us to watch TV in bed. Satified 100%, this is a 42 inch set.
Remembering a TV I looked at and receiving an e-mail from Sears 2 weeks later I go back and check it out.
Sony KDF-55E2000 LCD Projection TV 739.99
I purchase this TV for the living room. WOW am I impressed NO probelem with viewing angles at all. Very bright picture and extremely good reception. NO KILLER AUDIO but once the surround sound system was connected it was great. This is a 55 inch set.
Charged both TV's on my Sears GOLD MASTERCHARGE which doubles the manafactures warranty. That is 30 months on the Samsung and 24 months on the Sony. Spent 1139.00 on both TV's, plus 344.00 for two stands.
Now I don't have the best TV's in the world, but they are very useful and offer more that I actually need plus I consider these sets one of the BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK THATS ON THE MARKET TODAY both being HDTV's.
I would suggest that one buys what they need, can afford and not worry all the BULL that is floating around out there about this that and another. I have posted the model numbers and the spec's are on the net decide for your self. By the way the Sony was introduced a year ago at 3000.00 so this will give you an idea how these TV's are dropping in price.
Best of luck on your choice of TV's but remember once you buy it the TV now belongs to you and you MUST live with it.
Re: Glare
by Pannylover4ever - 11/18/07 7:02 PM In reply to: Glare? by lucky43210You are partially correct, all Plasma panels are glass panels and as such, reflect light. This is usually addressed by adding anti-reflective coatings on the glass (makes the reflections look purple).
LCD screens are made of plastic and as such can be matted to minimize reflections. However, matting appears to decrease sharpness, and impact picture quality somewhat. This has led to many LCD screens now being made glossy. You can see this on laptops, computer monitors and LCD TV display panels in any office or electronics store.
Sony, HP and many others have made screens that are glossy that appear to have better picture quality, but the side effect is increased glare. They are often called Brightview and various names do distinguish them from their matte counterparts.
On my last visit to various stores, about half the LCD's are now glossy. At the same time Panasonic for example, has added the PX77 line which got excellent reviews for their anti-reflective screens here on Cnet.
My recommendation is to check your tv room. Ff you have many windows, you either have to choose a lesser reflecting screen, or get some curtains or blinds for daytime viewing.
There are however both LCD and Plasma screens that are available now that work well in light rooms. The good news is since the screens are flat, the reflection angle is narrower than in the old CRT days, so finding a working angle is easier now.
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