You will be advised that you are not to use it for 911 calls. When the power goes out in your area so does VOIP
I personally do not use Comcast VOIP. I am a FIOS customer now. But being in the computer service business that services many homes and where internet service and phone service are often combined now, I certainly run into and hear of all the problems that people have with their communications systems in general. Since we now live in an age where almost everyone has a cell phone now, it may be that the reliability of your original landline is just not as important as it once was. Heck, if the phone goes out, just pick up the cell phone. I have just as many customers that love their VOIP service as I have that hate it. Actually, hate is the wrong word, because many of those really only had problems during the initial installation and now love it. I guess I would have to say that if you decide to switch, be prepared to have a few bumps in the road at first. Not to scare you, but I did have one customer lose their phone number of 20 years due to some mix up between Verizon and their new service provider. A few other concerns that I would keep in mind are:
911 service problems – You may not be able to use 911 service and this would be a concern for me especially if you have a young family.
Fax Service – Many VOIP services do not work with fax machines.
Number of Lines – Some VOIP services have a maximum limit on the number of phone lines you can have. I believe you can only have 2 lines with Comcast.
Regional Outages – Quality of service can often be based on your exact location. Example: If you happen to live in an area where the cable goes out during every storm, then this would probably not be a good place to use the cable VOIP phone service.
Poor Internet Related Issues – Keep in mind that since VOIP uses your internet connection, if you have been having intermittent problems with your internet connection, this may also affect your phone service.
Slow Internet – For obvious reasons, if you happen to have a really slow internet connection such as dialup or even one of the lower end DSL packages, you may not be happy with any of the VOIP services.
To prepare you for what can happen, check out this site to view some examples of complaints that others have had with Comcast VOIP.
http://consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/comcast_local.html
Dana
Wayland Computer
I am an operator for a phone company. there are national e911 centers, which take the calls when voip callers dial 911. (i am not sure about the other companys) they then get the callers real info, and call the phone company in that area. the phone operator than routes the call to the appropriate agency. it is kind of a pain in the butt, when there really is an emergency, but it is better than nothing i guess.
Maria.
I have used VOIP for over 12 months on ADSL @ 512kbs. My experience is that this is too slow at times. Altho my modem gives preference to the VOIP the quality drops dramatically if someone else in the family is searching the internet at the same time. At this speed, even when the phone only is using the internet connection, the quality is only 7 out of 10. This is adequate for most conversations but is a pain when trying to understand a "Call Centre" Asian voice. We will continue to use VOIP because it has cut a third off our phone bill and will improve when faster ADSL is available in my local area very soon.
AlbyW
Dear Maria M.,
My wife and I live in North-central New Jersay and subscribe to the Optimum Voice VoIP service provided by our local cable company, Cablevision. We've had the service for well over a year, now, and it has been nothing short of spectacular, especially by comparison to the service provided by our local POTS provider, Verizon. POTS service in this area is plagued by ancient infrastructure which Verizon is unwilling to upgrade, so our phone service was interrupted several times a year, sometimes for surprisingly long periods. And while our VoIP service hasn't been 100% trouble-free, service interruptions are much less frequent and generally short in duration. A bonus is that the sound quality provided by the Cablevision-supplied Motorola SBV-5120 cable "modem" is much, much better than over our old POTS line, both sending and receiving, and we don't need to mention how inexpensive the service is, for it's practially free compared to what Verizon and MCI were charging us. Another bonus is that, without fanfare, Motorola designed their voice-capable cable modems to support even the oldest telephones and it works fine with our 1935 Western Electric D1 set, the type of phone with a mechanical ringer in a box on the wall, and both the ringer and mechanical dial work just fine. Most other cable modems and stand-alone VoIP boxes don't bother supporting old-fashioned ringers and so-called pulse dialing.
That all said, I'm afraid that I must report that while Cablevision does a very good job with VoIP, at least for us and friends and family in this area, VoIP is not always so trouble-free. I have a friend in Brooklyn, NY, for example, who used to subscribe to Earthlink VoIP over his ADSL line provided by Verizon. He had constant service interruptions and almost all connections were marred by packet loss and the resulting sound degradation, which made people sound like they were gargling or speaking under water. He switched to Time Warner cable but kept Earthlink VoIP. His service is now a good deal more reliable, but he is still plagued by poor sound quality, though it's much better than it was over the much lower bandwidth ADSL connection. My parents and In-Laws, both in the Philadelphia area, subscribe to Comcast's VoIP service and, in both cases, the service is reasonably good though not by any stretch excellent. The sound quality is generally fine, though not as consistently good as with Cablevision, but there are frequent interruptions, some of them lasting days at a time when they first signed-up, and Comcast has proven inept, at least in these two, anecdotal cases, at solving them. Comcast supplied both my parents and In-Laws Arris cable modems which appear to be inferior in design to Motorola cable modems, though I'm on shaky ground, here, this due to limited experience. An example is that when my parents first got their service, they were plagued with problems involving phones not ringing and their answering machine not answering. They had a multi-handset Uniden system and Comcast actually informed my father that their phones and answering machine were incompatible with VoIP, in general. My father bought all new phones, gave me his Unidens and I'm using them without any problems whatsoever with my Motorola cable modem and Cablevision voice service.
I don't know the quality of Comcast technical support in your area, but if it's as bad as it is in our parental region, I wouldn't recommend switching any time soon unless you can get a free trial with a no-cost option to switch back to POTS service.
Regards,
Jeff
I've used Lingo for a couple of years now for my land line and can offer the following observations:
Pros:
It's cheap. It's cheap. It's cheap. Calls anytime, to anywhere in the US, Canada, Mexico and Western Europe are included in the $22 (plus tax) per month charge. I think they have an annual charge now that's cheaper yet.
The service includes lots of features which I typically don't use except voice mail. We still use an in house message machine, but if the line is busy or the phone won't connect for some reason, the Lingo voice mail takes the message and sends you an e-mail with the voice mail attached.
Haven't gotten a phone solicitation since switching.
Cons:
If your power or internet goes out, it doesn't work.
Most of the time we can't tell any difference between from our old Verizon service, but there are occasions that we'll get echoes or what seems like transmission delays.
I've never had occasion to call 911, but the traditional phone companies will tell you that it's more difficult for the 911 system to determine where you live on a VOIP line. Lingo of course claims otherwise. I figured since we also have cell phones, I wasn’t too concerned.
Installation:
My set-up is in the garage near the cable and phone entrance and includes a cable modem, inexpensive ethernet wire router, and the Lingo Analog Telephone Adapter (ATA). The ethernet wire comes out of the modem, runs through the ATA and into the router for the home network. The ATA taps into the existing phone lines in the house and feeds all the home phones just fine.
An annoyance is that occasionally the internet signal stops at the ATA doesn't get to the router. When this happens the phone still works, but the computers don't get internet access. A simple off/on reset of the boxes fixes the problem. I doubt this would be an issue with a newer set-up that integrates the cable modem, router and ATA in a single box. Putting the ATA after the router would also cure this, but I like the idea of the phone having first crack at the internet bandwidth, so I've chosen to live with it.
Final Thoughts:
I don't think it's nearly as difficult to cancel VOIP as say a cell phone contract. I recommend giving it a try. If you like it, it will save money.
Maria,
I am not technically minded, so whatever i use has to be simple. I signed up with Engin and i am perfectly satified. I pay something like $9.95 per month for a one-way system (I can call others but thy can't call me) and the call charges are almost ridiculously small. I spoke to the Canadian Police in Edmontown for 45 minutes, and it cost something like $4.00 aus. Calls to interstate numbers are 10 cents each. So i can assure you that without knowing why, the end result is great. My advice would be, go VOIP, and in my case go Engin!
Hi Maria,
It's been my experience that VOIP is an excellent choice. I'm currently a customer of Vonage and am extremely happy with the service. It has saved me close to $100 a month since I no longer need to pay my local phone company for all the little extras you get with VOIP and it require no long distance carrier. We also saved the $25/month charge for "metro" service to include the nearest large city (Milwaukee). Vonage is under $30 versus the $75 local + $50 long distance plan I had.
Also, with VOIP there is no extra charge for many of the "extras" that the local phone company will charge for: call forwarding, call waiting, and others. Plus you get other capabilities that the local phone company cannot provide: forwarding your calls to your cell phone when you're away, voice mail notification sent to your email address, extra phone numbers with any area code you choose, and many others.
Setup was fairly straightforward. It requires an inexpensive router that you hook between your cable modem (cable is required) and your computer. Then you simply plug your phone into the router instead of the wall. Plus, if you take your router with you, you can receive calls to your number anywhere you can get an Internet connection, say at a hotel while you're on a trip!
Call quality is exellent - you can't tell the call is going over the Internet.
The only downside I've seen is that if you lose your Internet connection (your cable goes down) you also lose your phone service. But you can set up your account to forward your calls to your cell phone if that happens. But this rarely happens in our area.
So I'd say, if you want to keep a land line and don't want to keep paying the phone company their high rates, go for VOIP, either with your local cable company or with a service such as Vonage.
A year ago I found myself being a beta tester for a new VOIP system coming into my area and, while I'd like to think things have improved, here is what I experienced:
Our VOIP system comes through our ISP and we found that if you were wanting to make or receive a phone call while also on the internet, bandwidth was extremely important. Put two people on computers and a third try to make or receive a phone call and we consistently lost the call at 1.5Mb.;we needed 3.0Mb bandwidth to resolve that issue.
We also found that call quality (clarity, volume) often did not consistently compare favorably with landline quality. At that time 800 and 888 calls had real problems with VOIP. Sometimes we would lose (or drop) calls made to cell phones. If we lost internet access (or you lose cable access) you lose ability to make or receive calls.
On the plus side, we knew that no matter where we called or for how long we talked it would not be an additional charge; our monthly bill was consistent and very budget-able.
zipk
I can only speak from my having talked with my high tech friends who switched to VOIP and almost all of them, at first, praised the savings they were gaining from using VOIP. I was the only one who did not switch as I had decided to let my friends experiment with VOIP and then I would listen to their praises, and/or complaints before making my decision to switch or not switch. That was over 6 months ago and all them, to the person, have switched back to land lines.
Their complaints to me was dropped calls, noise, and my complaint to them, as was complaints from others was, that when I called them, or they called, me, their voice always had a very disturbing echo.
What made me be very concerned was the fact that when they attempted to change back to land lines, some of them almost lost their telephone numbers, some numbers of which they had owned for 10, 15 or 20 years or more. One friend actually did lose his number. The VOIP carrier was not very helpful in assisting them to change back to land lines.
After having heard first hand of these VOIP horror stories, I'm sticking with Ma Bell, besides, I'm going more and more cellular anyway. The only reason I'm keeping my 30 year old land line number is because of an in-home fax line and that's another thing, some of my friends lost their ability to send faxes from their home over VOIP.
Looks like VOIP has a long way to go before it can compete with land lines on quality and service. Hope this helps.
Maria,
VOIP offers cheap phone service, but remember, you DO get what you pay for.
The benefits of cable borne VOIP service - it's cheap & offers tons of features at no additional charge.
The downside of VOIP, on the other hand are also fairly compelling.
1.) Should you lose power as in a power failure or other outage, you're without any sort of landline service. In a long term power outage, such as one following a natural disaster, this could be especially problematic if you need to call 911...
2.) Call quality can suffer especially when making a long distance call that involves satellites or other long distance retransmission technologies. The problem is that TCP/IP (the lingua franca of the internet) and the way it handles the packets that make up the transmission. There's no guarantee that the packets get to the receiver in the order they left. In the same vein, packets can be lost entirely causing call degradation.
3.) And speaking of 911... Calling 911 and trying to get help can be problematic - at least for the moment. IP addresses are not like standard POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) telephone numbers which are hardwired to a given physical address. Over time, your ISP can reassign a given IP address multiple times. So if you're somewhere using a VOIP phone and you can't give the 911 operator the physical address, there could be problems getting help to you. VOIP carriers ARE, however working on this...
So, the bottom line, is VOIP a good thing? It can be. It is cheaper than having a normal POTS line with traditional local and long distance service. However, if you happen to be living in an area where the power goes out frequently, then having a POTS line might be better.
Maria - In my experience, there are three potential downsides to consider as you make your decision:
1) Do you have an alarm system in your residence that dials a central office if triggered? If so, it will not work on VOIP.
2) Emergency calls to 911. While it is improving over the past several years, the automatic location of your call to 911 may not be displayed to the dispatcher. Not a problem if you are conscious, able to talk, and know where you are with VOIP, but if you were able to dial 911 but could not speak or someone in your house called without remembering your address, it *is* a problem.
3) How reliable is your cable service? I have Time Warner, and every time I call to report an outage of my cable TV and cable modem, I get their pitch to get their VOIP. I always ask how would I be able to report the outage I am experiencing if I *did* have VOIP. I have to laugh out loud when the service rep suggests I go to a neighbor's home or use a cellphone to call in the problem. In four years at our new home, we've been without phone service twice for a total of four hours. In comparison, our cable has been out approximately 1x per month for 48 months, from hours to two days for a total that would run into the hundreds of hours.
In summary, if you have bulletproof cable service, aren't worried about the 911 issue, and don't have an alarm system that dials a central office, VOIP can be a money saver. But in my situation, VOIP is not yet ready for prime time. Good luck in your decision..... Bob H
The main reason not everyone has VoIP is due to ignorance, for want of a better word; people simply do not know about it. Comcast is using the fact they have a captive audience to push their service which is just rebranded Vonage. Because of this I would NOT go with Comcast. Also there are cheaper alternatives.
The basic principle is that the service uses part of your bandwidth to make telephone calls; other than that and needing some sort of adapter device/gizmo (or whatever the service chooses to call it) the service is transparent to those calling you and others who have no idea you have VoIP. They are able to bundle in EVERYTHING, such as voicemail, 3-way calling, unlimited calls and even cheap international calls.
Drawbacks, though they are few but can be significant when they occur. Should your cable service go out, not only would you not have cable TV, but so does your internet connection and ergo your VoIP service. Granted this probably does not happen frequently but when it does, it matters. Ditto with a power outage. Lastly, if you are doing something online that uses a significant portion of your bandwidth, say online gaming (including using a PS2/3, Xbox/360) or file-sharing as with torrents or other P2P networking, your phone service cuts in and out and sounds choppy to the person(s) on the other end.
That said, the cost is way better than traditional line phone service and getting VoIP with DSL is pointless - the whole goal is to get rid of your phone line. Any service will work with your cable provider, but just make sure you have at least a 384kbit UPstream connection, so that you have sufficient bandwidth for a phone call and other devices that use the internet. I have used 3 different services, all with Comcast as my cable provider in two different metro areas. I would NOT get Comcast's service since theirs is more expensive than other services that provide the same features and the convenience of one bill is definitely not worth paying an extra $15 a month.
Pros: (relatively) inexpensive, great feature set, transparent to users on both ends, can take with you ANYWHERE there is a high-speed connection
Cons: needs high-speed internet connection, TOTALLY dependent on your internet service, affected by your home internet traffic
I would definitely make the switch, but NOT to Comcast.
Hi Maria,
I have had Time-Warner All-in-One service (cable TV, Internet, and phone) for about a decade in three different locations and overall have been very satisfied with the service. The voice transmission quality is at least as good as standard service. The fact that you lose your phone service if the power goes out with VOIP is undeniable (but in my experience in ice storms, etc., even the standard phone service would go out sometimes when the power went out because both sets of wires would be affected by the storm). My solution to this has been to have an inexpensive cell phone always available at home or on the road. I have used TracFone (www.tracfone.com)for over a decade (have updated two or three times as new phones with new features became available -- always with a refurbished guaranteed phone purchased through TracFone for less than $20 (I would recommend the Nokia 1100 phone, small, good signal strength and battery life)-- and have been very satisfied with the service all over the country. One of the real attractions of the Time Warner service is that you can call anywhere in the U.S. or Puerto Rico any time for no additional charge.
Bob C.
Living in Australia with rellos (relatives for you non Aussies) all over the world I investigated VOIP a couple of years ago. I then went with my ISP's system and have been very satisfied.
Pros:
Much cheaper, I save about $70 a month - our phone costs are quite high here.
Very few busy international lines. The internet is not fixed from one point in the world to another but actively searches for a path if a 'normal' direct connection is not available. One busy lines at Xmas in two years is very good.
Cons:
I found minimum speed is 512Kb for reasonable results, This is determined by the download AND upload speed. 512Kb give a upload speed of 128Kb with my provider.
Occasional poor quality connections, normally just after kids come home from school pointing to a capacity problem with my ISP.
Twice I have had drop outs after 30-40 mins, no apparent cause I could determine.
Had to buy a new modem, a condition of change to my ISP plan may not be a factor with different ISP's.
Martin Coull
Rosebud, Australia
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