Home audio & video: Sony LCD or Pioneer Plasma?
A pictures worth a thousand words
by gabereyes - 10/3/07 9:00 PM In reply to: no disrespect by meandmybigideaseveryone says contrast ratio is the most important thing for picture quality, it gives you better black level, gray scale and color depth.
here is a photo that might help, it shows a sony XBR4 vs a Pioneer half way down the page.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/spec-wars/contrast-ratio-shoot+out-everyone-loses-259495.php
rectification
by meandmybigideas - 10/3/07 9:17 PM In reply to: A pictures worth a thousand words by gabereyesJust wanted to rectify...i said that Pionneer also have 10 bits pannels...witch is a mistake from my npart..i meant that Pionner also only have 8 bits pannels
contrast ratio
by meandmybigideas - 10/3/07 9:28 PM In reply to: rectification by meandmybigideasAre you talking about those pictures on witch they deleberatly put a spot ligth on the bravia only to make it look worst then the others???
LOL...
by stuntman_mike - 10/4/07 2:51 PM In reply to: contrast ratio by meandmybigideasthat's funny meandmybigideas.
I am willing to bet though that if they were to do that test in a totally dark room, the two LCDs would still look considerably brighter. They are LCDs. It's not really a fair comparison. Most LCDs wouldn't do favorably in that kind of test to average plasmas, let alone a Pioneer. I am not really sure why they bothered with that article. Is their anyone that truly thinks that an LCD can compare blacks with a plasma. That's not even news lol.
re..lol
by meandmybigideas - 10/4/07 4:34 PM In reply to: LOL... by stuntman_mikeTotally agree with you Stunt...Contrast ratio is certainly not the only specification someone should look before buying a television.Unless you like low black level...then buy a plasma...you'll be more then happy...Salut a toutes la gang du marché central
just somthing I found on cnet.
by gabereyes - 10/4/07 5:19 PM In reply to: re..lol by meandmybigideas(the most important aspect of picture quality is contrast ratio, the second most important is color saturation, and the third is color accuracy. Resolution comes in a distant fourth, despite being easily the most-talked-about HDTV spec today.)
contrast ratio is king although most companys dont tell the truth about there contrast ratio, without a good contrast ratio and/or black level there is lack of color saturation, and color accuracy with very little depth to the image.
Well id say the plasma...
by skyline6 - 10/5/07 11:33 AM In reply to: Sony LCD or Pioneer Plasma? by Faysal21well i would buy that plasma because gaming duzznt really go good with flat pannel LCD's. Ive heard that there not good for games (i dont remember the specific reasons) but i think it was something to do with it not being fast enough to output everything accurately. I could be wrong and that could have been a rumor but you should think about that...
Wish you luck 
I have had no trouble with gaming with the Sony.
by chadmak09 - 12/19/07 7:45 PM In reply to: Well id say the plasma... by skyline6I Play the heck out of my PS3 with the SONY-XBR4. In fact, Its the best gaming experience I have ever had. When I put the TV in Game mode I don't see any speed or responce issues. And most new PS3 games are 1080p so you will need a 1080p TV to see all the details needed especially with shooter games (Call of duty4 my new faviorite)when you have to shoot people who are very far away, that extra detail comes in handy. Looks blurry on the Pioneer.
Pioneer Plasma - no comparison
by mghotbi - 10/5/07 12:05 PM In reply to: Sony LCD or Pioneer Plasma? by Faysal21I researched this for about a year and a half, religiously comparing all the LCD panels out there - including the Samsung 81 series and the Sony XBR4's with the latest 1080p plasmas from Samsung, Panasonic and Pioneer. I watched standard def, cable HD and 1080p sources (Blu-ray and HDDVD). I saw them in dark rooms and well-lit rooms. The bottom line is that to my eye, the Pioneers were the best because of their black performance and the detail in dark scenes. The LCD's weren't even close, although the other plasmas were at least competitive. I bought the Pioneer 6010FD and still can't believe the quality of the picture.
THE PIONEER PDP-6010FD HAS A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE, HOWEVER.....
by Riverledge - 10/5/07 4:46 PM In reply to: Pioneer Plasma - no comparison by mghotbiIT COMES WITH A BEAUTY OF A PRICE!!! Currently selling for more than $5,000.00 to $6,500.00.
This is not an HDTV for the masses, or within the reach of everyman.
Riverledge.
true
by ns387241 - 10/5/07 8:10 PM In reply to: THE PIONEER PDP-6010FD HAS A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE, HOWEVER..... by RiverledgePioneer 60" is definitely not for everyone, but in a 50" comparision of the 81 series, XBR4, and 5080HD, the 5080 has the lowest price.
Purchase locally or internet?
by corppsych - 11/6/07 10:29 AM In reply to: true by ns387241Hi NS--
Okay, now that I've decided on the Pioneer plasma, the big question is:
Given that I'll only buy from an authorized dealer, which is better, buying from an online retailer (lower cost) or a local dealer (taxes, typically higher cost). The concern I have buying from an online dealer is support after delivery. Let's assume it comes undamaged, but 2 weeks into the purchase, the tv malfunctions. Most online guys tell me it will then go to the mfg warranty and they'll call for a repair at my home. The local stores (e.g., BestBuy) say they'll replace a defective unit within such a short time-frame (I'd have to pick it up or pay for delivery).
You must have a broad swath of experience on this, so please help. BTW, thanks for your previous help-- and it will be a PDP model.
Thanks.
Hello corppsych-
by ns387241 - 11/8/07 11:05 AM In reply to: Purchase locally or internet? by corppsychI have personally made purchases either directly through the manufacturer (distribution centre, the "middle" man) or at a local retailer (e.g. Best Buy, Magnolia HT, etc.). I have never had to deal with a defective unit from Pioneer, so I cannot comment on how the process works either way, but when I purchased from Best Buy (for the PDP-5080HD), I did get the service plan because it was in home and covered more than the manufacturer did. That being said, I do not necesserelly feel that the 4yr was necessary, but I didn't want to take any chances (I am a very cautious person).
I would personally buy from whomever gives the best support for the product (before/during.outside the manufacturer's warranty) to assure your investment has been a good one. The last thing I would want to do is take a near-100-pound television back to the store/supplier I picked it up/had it delivered from.
no comparaison
by meandmybigideas - 10/8/07 3:45 PM In reply to: Pioneer Plasma - no comparison by mghotbiLcd's doesnt even come close!!!!...Man take another year and a half do to your research...Come back then
Price is an issue for most
by sbbiomed - 3/5/08 8:28 AM In reply to: Pioneer Plasma - no comparison by mghotbiI have been convinced that I will get the 46xbr4 (can't fit or afford a 52") for the last 4 months and was getting a 42px75u in my bedroom (don't watch too much and dark most of the time and an upgrade from a 13" CRT).
I then saw a 5084 sammy plasma in a high-end video store vs. a sharp 1080p LCD and the difference was tremendous (Sammys colors, blackness, and sharpness blew it away). Now I think that I might want a higher end plasma in my living room.
I can get the 1150HD (can't find the 5080HD at any authorized dealers), the 46XBR4, and the 50pz750u (in the gizmodo article mentioned here, the pz700u was blacker than the 5080HD) for about the same price. I would love the 5010FD, but it is about $800 more than these others. I currently use it in a brightly lit room (my CRT has some glare) for kids shows, sports, and DVD movies (we will get HD cable with the TV purchase). I forsee in the next year or two getting a PS3 for movies and games. We sit about 12-14' away, but my kids sit about 6-8' away and when the PS3 comes, I will probably be 6-8' away. I want these TVs to last 5-10years, so I want the best that I could afford that will be incredible for that timeframe.
I am now leaning towards the Elite 1150HD, but not having the 1080p for the next 10 years concerns me (maybe we move and have a different layout and sit closer). Would the 50PZ750U be the best choice (5084 from Sammy), since price is the same and it is 1080p and the Panny looked blacker in the pictures than the 5080HD?
Confused as always,
Steven
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