Desktops: Who has the overall best out of the box desktop design?
- 9/19/07 4:07 PM
Dell is pretty? Come on now.
by m4ch4x0r - 9/19/07 11:59 PM In reply to: Dell by jmarkross"I think Apple makes some very attractive designs--but--I want performance, ease of operation..."
Someone hasn't tried to make a movie on his Windows machine yet. Compared to the iLife experience, making a movie in Windows XP is a test in patience, and Vista doesn't make it that much better; even 3rd party basic video applications don't do what iLife does at the same price.
As for your comment "Today, computer are so good, it's had to go wrong if you know much at all", I would beg to differ. Many people will buy a cheap machine (like a low-end Dell or HP) and expect it to be able to do what a mid-range (Apple, Sony) or high-end (Alienware) machine can do. And those are people that claim they have IT degrees and certifications in most anything related to the field. With so many choices out there, it's easy to make a mistake that you'll need to upgrade (or possibly fix) within the next 6 months.
What I've never gotten about the whole "Mac" thing...
by DarkHawke - 9/20/07 1:27 AM In reply to: Dell is pretty? Come on now. by m4ch4x0rY'know, that's something I've NEVAH gotten about the whole Mac thing: are there really THAT many folks makin' movies with their 'puters that this whole iLife/iMovie/iWTF thing is worth moving to an entirely different OS?! So maybe I'm the 'tard in the group, but I've not so much as shot a frame of video, let alone had the yen to edit bits, add titles and soundtracks, etc. On the same track, I've also never had the need to burn my visual virtuosity to disk, so iDVD is as pointless a thing for me as any other DVD burning package. Garage Band? Sorry, again, I'm just this guy sittin' over there in the corner. I'd rather listen to those with talent play music than dink around with something that makes me think I can do the same thing.
However, there IS something that I do on my computer on a daily basis: Type out words (oh, look! I'm doing that now!). Wouldn't it be great if a 'puter came with something to help make that whole typing-out thing easier, like, I dunno, mebbe a WORD PROCESSOR?!? Isn't Apple just finally getting around to putting together a credible office suite? And can you get THAT for free with a Mac instead of iDontGiveADamn?
Don't get me wrong; I'm not the Windows world version of an iZealot. 'Cept for the OS, I'm fairly open-source. My top apps are Firefox, Thunderbird, Winamp and OpenOffice. Hell, my DAP won't play ANY kind of DRM'd tracks! Windows is an effective tool, far from the ultimate OS, but hardly unusable drek either. That and I can play CoX on it, which is all the reason I need, frankly! 
Games on Mac
by sisko197 - 9/20/07 9:04 AM In reply to: What I've never gotten about the whole "Mac" thing... by DarkHawkeWhat are you talking about!?!? iUse the iMac for all of my iOffice iWork! And when i'M done iPlay the huge iLibrary of iGames for my iMac .. although it only consists of that stupid iChess game. Hmm..
iCrap!
I think if I want to continue playing actual games and not the crap on the crapple, I'll stick with my Windows machine. Oh wait.. for the iFanBoys out there that's Windoze or Window$. Yeah, directx 10 pwns you tree hugging iNuts.
Hey I have a nice window application for you
by rashidtem - 9/20/07 9:55 AM In reply to: Games on Mac by sisko197and it calls iRetard, that is perfect for your jealous retard ass.
Awwww
by sisko197 - 9/20/07 10:36 AM In reply to: Hey I have a nice window application for you by rashidtemLet me get the iDiaper so we can change you.
YOU ARE JUST PLAIN BORING
by rashidtem - 9/20/07 9:53 AM In reply to: What I've never gotten about the whole "Mac" thing... by DarkHawkeThats all I wanna say and BTW who are you trying to sound like, wannabe.
praise the lord
by overjinx - 9/21/07 8:35 AM In reply to: What I've never gotten about the whole "Mac" thing... by DarkHawkeAMEN!!!!
Duhhh....
by cre8tiv_grl - 9/22/07 12:24 PM In reply to: What I've never gotten about the whole "Mac" thing... by DarkHawkeYou just named every reason a person would buy a MAC.
Word processor? FYI, one doesn't get Office or WordPerfect with a new PC. You have to BUY it. And Apple does provide a "word processor" just like a PC. Apple provides Text Edit, a PC provides Word Pad.
And look! I'm on a MAC and I'm typing out words....ohhhh.....
Clean miss...
by DarkHawke - 9/23/07 2:19 AM In reply to: Duhhh.... by cre8tiv_grl...as in, of my point. Since I did take the time to cite them, I'm well aware of some of the differences between Mac and Windows boxes. I simply disbelieve the proposition put forward by the iZealots (like yourself?) that the iLife apps are SO compelling and useful to so many folks as to make the Mac their platform of choice. Then again, since the Mac has, what, 5% of the market, maybe everyone who's boat is thusly floated have already gone Mac. My mistake! 
My further point about substituting iWork for iLife is to give potential Mac buyers some freedom of choice. If you don't want/need the iLife stuff, why not have the choice of getting iWork if it gives you more of what you need, and for no extra charge? Again, just me sayin', but that could be a nice chip-away at the value proposition of Windows boxes versus Macs. I didn't say anything about included software on Windows boxes, which is nowadays more shovel/crap-ware than good productivity apps. Back when I got my first Dell in 2001, it came with Microsoft Works and a FULL version of Word. As you say, that don't come for free anymore regardless of which company you buy from.
good idea...
by cre8tiv_grl - 9/23/07 6:50 PM In reply to: Clean miss... by DarkHawkei see your point in offering a choice. i'm sure writers of books, etc. would be very grateful for that option.
i suppose it's all in fun, to poke at each other for using a mac or a pc; however, i'd rather see discussions about how the two could work together. what does it matter the percentage of users of macs or pcs? that does not prove that pcs are better.
can't we all just get along?!!
Fact is, it's a Windows world...
by DarkHawke - 9/24/07 8:35 AM In reply to: good idea... by cre8tiv_grl...and we just live in it, regardless of platform/box choice. As I said earlier, 'Doze boxes aren't inherently better than any other choice, and at least in the malware arena are demonstrably not the best choice, especially for the inexperienced or casual user. The Macs are clearly more secure in that respect, and of course if you're a video or music professional, the high-end tools are mostly if not entirely on that platform as well.
My decision came down to flexibility and overall ease of use, including expandability. Having come from what became a niche platform (the Amiga), I had no intention of hooking up with another small-market brand, as Apple was and still is, though it has expanded its reach in recent years. I had huge misgivings about being assimilated by the Borg of Redmond, but I'm more than okay with it now. My 'puter does what I want and as I want it to, and I can modify it to fit my future needs and even whims with little effort. Then again, I'm a power user/hobbyist, so things like popping in new hard drives or swapping out video cards are all but trivial to me. Sure, you can do the same with the Macs, but it ain't so easy to do with the iMacs and you're stuck with the video card what brung ya. Even with the Mac Pro, you can have whatever c0ck-of-the-walk video card you want, but if you don't have a driver for it, it's little more than a hunk of wires and chips on a resin board for all the use you'll get out of it. This also limits your gaming on the Mac, at least in the FPS/envelope-pushing arena, and my fave-rave CoX has yet to make an appearance there, if it ever will. And as I note elsewhere on this thread, I personally think my Dell XPS 710 aesthetically cleans the clock of any other box out there!
Ultimately (and obviously!), you choose what works for you, and if it does what you want/need, then rock on wit yo bad self! It's the zealotry that gets one down, which I note (perhaps predictably) most often from Mac enthusiasts. Dunno how it starts, whether it's market-share envy or there's a gang of snotty Windows users out there trolling on Mac forums, but from whatever source the iZealots come, their rhetoric gets enormously tiresome real effin' quick! One tries not to egg them on by returning fire, but you can only take so much before you gots ta open up your own self, y'know? 
oh my god!!!!! Windows movie maker!!!! (>_<)
by 7aji88 - 9/23/07 9:07 AM In reply to: Dell is pretty? Come on now. by m4ch4x0rthat thing gave me the hell when I was trying to make a single movie file from three other movies. I ended up using Nero vision
A hat box - pill box - cake box - but round ain't a computer
by peter4012 - 9/19/07 10:03 PM In reply to: Who has the overall best out of the box desktop design? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
The real question should have bee - who has the worst design --
Realy, I agree with all the who cares, except for this oversized pill box of Sony
For a game box - may be - cool sells there, but for a computer on my desk ( under / next to / in my desk ) Round wastes space - its that simple. -----
(The new business exuse for billing / payment bproblems "My computer roled off the desk - :=) LOL :=)
HP
by Ed-duh-win - 9/19/07 10:15 PM In reply to: Who has the overall best out of the box desktop design? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
HP for me. Macs just don't cut it with me. Plus they're horrible to look at, anyway, at least for me.
HP
by rebart1 - 9/23/07 4:38 PM In reply to: HP by Ed-duh-winI agree that HP makes the best lookin PCs on the market, but I would rather have a Mac if I weren't forced to work on a PC. Macs don't go down like PCs. PCs are a technician's dream.
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