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How to back up and restore my PC to the exact same condition it was...

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 8/30/07 3:39 PM

How to back up and restore my PC to the exact same condition it was before

Question:

I have read the many articles on backing up your computer, but I have never seen an article that tells me how to do what I would like to do most, and that is to restore my computer to the exact same condition it was in before my hard-drive went belly-up! Well, I should say, to restore it to the state it was in at the last back-up.

I definitely do not want to have to reinstall Windows, download all of the "patches," get all the drivers, etc., etc.. What I really want to do is to keep a back-up of *everything* so I can put *everything* back the way it was. I have tried a "restore" before, but was not successful and had to go through the above tedious procedure.

I will bet you that almost all computer users would like to know how to do this, and the articles I have seen are not too clear on whether you can even do it, and if you can’t, why not?

Yours truly,

--Submitted by: Bill L.

Answer voted most helpful by the CNET community

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Bill,

There are a LOT of options for doing this these days. Some of them are cheaper than others. Some are better than others.

Either way you look at it, to do a true, full backup in this day and age, you'll probably need a hard drive equal in size to the one that's currently in your computer. Forget tapes, floppies, CDs and DVDs. None of them are a.) fast enough nor b.) large enough to capture all but the smallest fraction of most modern hard drives. Not to mention, using any of these methods are just no longer up to the task.

Ergo, your best bet would be another hard drive. Fortunately, hard drives are dirt cheap. So then, the big $64,000 question here is how it needs to be hooked up. That would depend on your current configuration, what kinds of drives you've got and what ports are available on the motherboard. You'll need to purchase and install the drive in the same way the current one happens to be installed.

Once you've got the spare drive installed, boot into Windows and let Windows recognize the new device. Once that's done we can go about making use of the new drive.

Now then.. How to do the backup/restore? There are a few options that are currently available in this arena. These would be:

1.) a RAID array
2.) Partition cloning software
3.) Traditional backup software

Each has it's strength's and weaknesses. Such as: A RAID array keeps a real time copy of your C: drive but it adds extra overhead. On the down side, a RAID array is slow as the controller has to write the data to two destinations and make sure that both copies are in sync.

Partition cloning software such as Norton Ghost or Paragon Hard Drive Manager allow you to make a duplicate of your existing partition but once you've made the copy, changes aren't automatically added. Copied drives can be plugged into the original's place and with minimal fuss, be brought up to full running condition in short order. Just unplug the old dead drive and plug the new one in it's place, boot and you should be good to go.

Traditional backup software - meaning ANYTHING besides the crap that's rolled up into Windows - such as Veritas - have options to back stuff up securely, but you would have to run the restore option to retrieve the data. You can also create the archive with a password to protect the data. Of course, this does you NO good if you forget said password. The downside to this method is you have to schedule the job, preferably at a time when the computer's not busy - like 3:00am. It's quite useless, however, when it's shut off at the appointed time.

Under "ideal" conditions, your backup drive would need to be pulled out of the machine and stored somewhere else. Namely somewhere that if your computer's location was to be hit by fire, an act of god or some other disaster, the backup wouldn't be in the same location and would be safe, ready to be popped into the new computer, with the data intact. But let's be honest... MOST people I know who say they want to do backups are lazy slugs when it comes to implementing this and never do. I had one client who had a tape in his backup drive but he never bothered checking to see if the backups were ever done, nor did he ever swap the tapes out (I made sure to get him hooked up with a full set of 12 tapes just so he could swap it out each day and swap the set out with a couple of spares). So much for trusting IT chores to non-IT people... But I digress.

My two cents worth on this: I prefer the drive partition cloning software. You install the spare drive, clone it and simply unplug it. this means the drive is in place, ready to go with a simple cable swap. With the drive unplugged, you get three benefits.

1.) You don't run the risk of saving files to the backup drive and
2.) With it not connected to anything, it can't be infected or infested with spyware, crapware, malware or what not. Of course, it would be smart to do a full and complete virus and spyware check BEFORE making the backup to insure it's clean.
3.) Since the drive isn't plugged in, it's not running all the time, nor should it be wearing out. It should be as good as new.

Of course, the one big downside to this method - updates aren't included. Nor would any new software or data files. So you would have to repeat the cloning process say - once a month before you've done your Patch Tuesday updates - just in case an update does something nasty to your system.

Now you might be wondering why I didn't suggest using an external drive. The answer would be simple. Yes, it can be done, but there are a number of negatives.

1.) It's SLOW compared to native IDE/ATA 133 or SATA 150 or 300 speeds. Cloning an 80 GB drive using an internal hard drive takes about 30 minutes from start to finish.

2.) If you were to use the drive in the enclosure, you'd have to take it apart and remove it and then install the drive in the main case.

3.) You would have to swap the bad drive out with a new one and then restore it which can be fairly slow.

An option to speed things up...

Removable drive cages. While they're not the most fashionable bits of technology, they DO simplify connecting and disconnecting the backup drive. If you buy a pair, you can put your primary drive in one while you put the backup drive in the other. Should the primary fail, you can simply shut down the computer, pull the bad drive out and insert the backup into the primary's slot and be on your way.

One last thing...

Windows Home Server (when it becomes available in the coming months) will have some VERY powerful real-time backup software built into it. Whenever a file changes, it gets automatically backed up to the server. If you need to restore a file you accidentally deleted it, it's made easy. If you've got multiple PCs, it keeps track of them all using a very cool space saving system where duplicates of a given file are merely backed up once and only once which makes things more compact.

The downside to this - it's not quite available yet. It will be soon. It also requires a home network, and at least one PC. On the bright side - it doesn't require a keyboard, mouse or monitor. It does require some basic home networking - much of which, you may already have. If memory serves me, it also has the capability to boot with a blank hard drive via a CD so you can restore the partition directly from the server.

It's some VERY cool technology that's on the horizon. From what I've read, the software's been released to manufacturing - and HP and a number of other vendors have already announced they will be making WHS boxes they will be selling this Fall.

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10149_102-0.html?forumID=7&threadID=260644&messageID=2565413#2565413

--Submitted by member Wolfie2k5


If you have any additional advice for Bill, let's hear them! Click on the "Reply" link to post. Please be detailed as possible in your answer. Thanks!

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Backing up your computer

by SojournMedia - 8/17/07 4:56 PM In reply to: How to back up and restore my PC to the exact same condition it was... by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Bill...The best backup method I've found is imaging. The best software I've found is Acronis True Image (http://www.acronis.com/). The $50 price tag is peanuts if you place any value on your time at all -- which you'll spend loads of restoring the old way. As noted on Acronis' website, "Acronis® True Image 10 Home creates the exact copy of your hard disk and allows you to instantly restore the entire machine including operating system, applications, and all the data in the event of a fatal system crash or virus attack — no reinstallations required!" You might even be able to find an older version on the Web for a few bucks less.

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Mimeo vs acronis

by cliff27 - 8/25/07 8:05 AM In reply to: Backing up your computer by SojournMedia

I have a Seagate Pro external drive. It utilizes mimeo automatic backup software to backup the entire drive. I do not believe that includes the operating system. If my computer were to fail completely would I be able to start from the external drive or would I need acronis in order to do so?

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... I'm not sure what Mimeo backs up...

by rlessmue - 8/25/07 4:50 PM In reply to: Mimeo vs acronis by cliff27

It sounds like some interesting software Mimeo,
but it is one I have not tried or used.

Acronis True Image provides you with a complete
image copy of your drive that you are going to
copy.

If the drive you are going to copy, can not boot
or doesn't have an operating system - you will not
get one. If you back up garbage - you will get garbage.
Believe me... I know.

I have found that if you are making a copy of a bootable
hard drive, that the new hard drive seems to boot faster.
Call it a "side" benifit of the program.

Hope this helps!
;)

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Dual Drive Solutions?

by carolina1 - 8/27/07 5:38 AM In reply to: Mimeo vs acronis by cliff27

I'm showing my age, but in the mid 80's we ran all our manufacturing systems on a brand of computer called "Tandem". This computer wrote all information to 2 drives rather than depend on a tape backup. If there was a failure in the primary drive then the secondary drive would kick in automatically and take over. No loss of data, no lost productivity and you could take that bad drive of line, swap it with a new formatted drive and it would copy all the changes to the new drive.

Is their no current software available that would simply do the same?

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Yes it does!

by artek-studio - 9/10/07 12:24 PM In reply to: Dual Drive Solutions? by carolina1

It's called mirroring on a RADID 1 Array, on which everything is written twice, same thing is written on 2 differents discs, thats for redundancy on case of failure.

Best Regards

Jorge R.
Mexico City

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Thanks for that info on the best software

by Meri2911 - 8/25/07 3:43 PM In reply to: Backing up your computer by SojournMedia

Thank you for telling us what software is best which you suggested was Acronis True Image. My ex-fiancee did a cloning of my drive once with R-drive and it worked great, the only problem was I never watched him do it, so if this happens to me again I have to learn. All these suggestions are great. I am copying and pasting some of these answers and saving them because I have had to re-format and re-install all the computers in my house from scratch (3 in all, but I do backup all the personal data like music, files and pictures). I would love to just do a cloning of my drive. It is acting up again. I am going to do some cleaning up of it first before I decide to make a copy. But I do need to purchase another internal hard drive because the ex has the other one (but not before I re-formatted it, he does not have my data now).

Thanks for all the suggestions.

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... just remember with Acronis True Image...

by rlessmue - 8/25/07 4:42 PM In reply to: Thanks for that info on the best software by Meri2911

In using Acronis True Image, if your hard drive is having software
problems... you new copy will too! So if the software on the drive
is "stable" and you think it's "mechanical" type of an issue than
Acronis True Image should do the "trick" for you.

Oh, by the way... your new cloned hard drive has all the software
you backed up... including Acronis True Image! (no need to reinstall).

Cheers! ;)

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I hope you're right...

by RichNet - 8/27/07 12:15 PM In reply to: Thanks for that info on the best software by Meri2911

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but, just reformatting a hard drive does not get rid of all your personal information (i.e. pictures, music, saved documents). I have formatted my hard drives and used a program called File Scavenger to recover the data that was supposed to be wiped out! Maybe someone knows a more secure way of formatting hard drives.

Post 10 of 245

I hope you're right too!!

by KrishnaBharadwaj - 9/1/07 9:36 AM In reply to: I hope you're right... by RichNet

Well I hope you are right too, but can you tell me where I can get the File Scavenger? I gave my computer for servicing last month and the guy out there erased my whole hard disk. I've been trying file recovery without success. Thanks.

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A more secure way of formatting hard drives

by billyBust8 - 9/2/07 2:28 PM In reply to: I hope you're right... by RichNet

A newly manufactured HD has no information at all, just a number of rotating platters with magnetizable coatings on which "ones and zeros" can be written.

Formatting such a drive is a two-step process.

FIRST a framework is written on each track [tracks are concentric rings analogous to cutting a piece of recording tape and joining the ends to make a circle]. This framework identifies which track is which, and within a track, numbers the “sectors”. These sectors are the “bins” into which the information to be stored and later read back can be placed. Like a railroad train with a string of boxcars each of which can contain different things.

The SECOND step in formatting a brand new drive is adding some information to keep track of such things as bad sectors (won’t write or read correctly), sectors already in use, partitions, a Master File Table that lists file names, sizes, length, etc. This is the overhead (like the engine and caboose of the railroad train) and is handled by a subsystem called the FILE MANAGER.

Once these two steps have been done you have a usable hard disk formatted for a particular operating system. Windows for example has used a format structure called FAT32 and more recently NTFS. [Remember when floppy disks came blank and had to be 'formatted' before use? Then later they came with the framework already written on them. This is the same, but on a MUCH GREATER SCALE.]

And now, to your question—

With a previously formatted disk, the system usually offers two choices (though the user, you, may not be aware of it) for “reformatting”.

--For a FULL FORMAT, the files are theoretically erased from the hard disk. But!!

Consider that “erase” is a misnomer. The disk hardware can only recognize two “numbers”, 1 and 0. So every “bit” [1 byte consists of 8 bits, kind of like an 8 digit ZIP code if the only digits are 1 and 0 rather than 0-9] of the disk writable surface MUST contain either a ONE or a ZERO for the read mechanism to recognize it. Therefore, “erasing” actually means WRITING to every location on the disk. There are a HUMONGOUS number of sectors on, say a 160 GB hard drive (about 40,000,000). So “erasing” them would take a VERY LONG TIME.

--In the more common QUICK FORMAT the ACTUAL INFORMATION STORED is not erased!!

In this situation, the framework is left as it was following the FIRST step described above. Only the contents of SOME sectors are altered to put them back as if the disk is newly installed. The “formatter” clears the special information that describes the formerly stored files. But the files’ data is still there on the drive!

--A post-format data recovery program looks into the sectors and interprets what’s there and is able to recover much if not all of the presumed lost information.

So that’s the likely difference. If you want to have your data truly unrecoverable, you need to use a “SECURE SHREDDER” to delete it. Such a program uses special algorithms that are meant to defeat attempts to recover sensitive information. There are many freeware and other programs available that perform this method of file removal/deletion

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Erasing Data

by spacepirate1 - 9/12/07 9:50 AM In reply to: I hope you're right... by RichNet

No, unfortunately reformatting alone won't do the job. You see, basic formatting doesn't actually erase data. Every operating system uses what is called a "Table of Contents File" (or TOC) to store information about the data on your system. (This is what Microsoft calls it - it might have a different name with other OS's. Same concept though). It is basically a type of catalog. In Windows, if you open up Windows Explorer, you'll see all those files and folders. That information is stored in the TOC. When you delete a file or folder, it actually only gets deleted from the TOC, it's not actually erased from the drive. The only way it will be erased from the drive, is if the specific area where the data was located gets overwritten, or if you use special removal software. For Windows you can use Iolo System Mechanic or Webroot Window Washer. They both have features built in that can actually wipe the data after you've erased it using Windows (or better said, removed it from the TOC). Norton also has a product for this, as do other software companies. Acronis has a product called Drive Cleanser, but you can only use this to wipe an entire drive, or a partition on the drive. Not just data removed from the TOC.

You might want to start here with some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting

If a business or a government organization wants to get rid of it's old computers, then they have to be very careful and make sure a professional software is used to completely erase all the hard disks. Acronis Drive Cleanser, or any similar product, would have to be used to accomplish this.

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I agree Acronis True Image is the ** ONLY ** way to go...

by rlessmue - 8/25/07 4:27 PM In reply to: Backing up your computer by SojournMedia

If you are looking to make an *EXACT IMAGE* of your hard drive,
Acronis True Image is the best program I have found to use.

I have used a lot of different programs over the years and this is
the best one I have found to make an exact image (and I mean exact)
of your current hard drive.

I am running XP with SP2. I believe that that is the min. requirement
for this program to run. I don't know if it works on Vista....
I think it does.

When you run the program, it will start in a "windows" enviorment and
ask for you to make your selections (very nice images to work with).

When you are finished making your selections, it will tell you what
step it will take to finish your copying (including rebooting, etc.).

After you complete the copying, just swap out your hard drives and
boot from your copied hard drive... everything will look just like
your original hard drive that you had copied from!

It seems to boot faster too!

It has taken the pain of doing a system back-up to a few clicks and
un-attended baby sitting issues (..like, press return to continue).

Hope this helps! Cheers :)

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Acronis has its limitations

by jsm55555 - 8/26/07 7:27 AM In reply to: Backing up your computer by SojournMedia

I back up daily with Acronis 10 - however, I've learned from experience that imaging a drive isn't the panacea I once thought it was. If you change your motherboard at the same time you change your hard drive, the image will not restore a bootable copy. This is discussed at length on the Acronis support forum, apparently there isn't a fix for it, it's a result of the new motherboard sometimes having "different" IDE hardware or something. However, imaging the disk WILL save all your important data, so that when you re-install Windows and all your applications, you'll be able to get everything back (eventually!)

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This limitation affects all imaging software

by spacepirate1 - 8/31/07 9:33 AM In reply to: Acronis has its limitations by jsm55555

The reason why it's difficult, or impossible, or restore an image to a hard drive when you change the motherboard, is because each board might have a different way in which it communicates with the hard drive. If you go into the BIOS, you will see that there are specific settings for Cylinders, Sectors and the Landing Zone. Although a hard drive will have a label on it specifying certain parameters (numbers) for each of these, those numbers may not be what the motherboard wishes to use. Many years ago, mid 90's and before, you had to manually enter these parameters in the BIOS. Of course you would simply look at the label on the hard drive and use that, but often enough the drive wouldn't work properly. You'd have to play around with the numbers (perhaps call the manufacturer to get other numbers that might work), or use one of the presets that you could choose within the BIOS. Towards the mid 90's, motherboard manufacturers started implementing the ability to have the BIOS automatically communicate with the hard drive and find out which parameters were correct. Sometimes you'd have to enter the BIOS and choose a feature called "Detect Hard Drive", or something similar. Other boards could detect the hard drive on their own during boot-up and make the necessary settings automatically. Nowadays you see more of the latter, but you do occasionally have boards that require you to log into the BIOS and force the detection through the menu item I mentioned. There are technical articles available on the Internet that you could read in order to get a better understanding of the technical issues regarding these parameters and why they differ from motherboard to motherboard. The bottom line however, is that each board will be different and you (in almost every case) have no choice but to use the parameters that the board detects. Otherwise the hard drive will not function properly. This will be evident immediately, because you will not be able to install the operating system at all. Sometimes you can actually install the OS, but it will not be bootable. If you are using a disk imaging software to restore your image, then the software will refuse to restore the imaging (error message) or, after successful restoration, the OS will not boot up. I had to find out about this the hard way many years ago when I used Norton Ghost. I had a Maxtor hard drive and called up Maxtor's tech support to inquire about this issue. The representative then properly explained things to me, basically what I've written above. One other thing you have to watch out for is the fact that different hard drives require different parameters. Therefore, you might also run into a problem, even if you use the same motherboard. Mind you, often enough, the parameters end up being the same for a new drive as with the old one, even though the manufacturer and the capacity are different. This usually means that your restoration will be successful. I have also experienced situations where the parameters were slightly different, yet the restoration functioned properly too. Luck of the draw sometimes.

Acronis has another product called Snap Deploy, and apparently this imaging software can restore and image to machines with different hardware. This product is aimed at companies that have many different computers. With Snap Deploy they can create one standard image and use it on other computers, regardless of the hardware. I've never used it, but it would be interesting to try and see if it works as well as Acronis claims.

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