Buzz Out Loud Lounge: Molly, here is why you are wrong :0) (repost, sorry)
It's not "2 years ago"
by LunaticSX - 9/8/07 5:42 PM In reply to: Because I am talking about this price cut... by irafreightIt's from 2 years ago to *now*.
I'm saying look at the trends. Apple's on a rocket. There's been plenty of little dips in their share price over the past few months due to short-sighted fickle investors and mouthpieces like Jim Cramer and TheStreet who get an ego boost out of scaring people with sensationalist stories based on flimsy or made up rumors and information ("My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw a report on her daddy's desk that iPhone orders from China are being cut...").
You can't call a "major PR blunder" on Apple in just 2 1/2 days without coming off looking like another one of these sensationalists--*especially* based on short-terms charts of their stock price, *or* the whining on Internet message boards (which is actually sharply split on both sides).
Come back in a week or two and we'll see where their stock price is at.
Then come back when Mac OS X Leopard gets released next month and we'll see if anyone but the anti-Apple crowd even remembers this price cut. ("Yeah, they're selling Leopard for $129 now, but just wait two months and they'll drop its price by 1/3 to only $86, just like they did with the iPhone, I tell you!!!")
Lun Esex
So why would Steve drop the price of the new OS?
by irafreight - 9/8/07 5:54 PM In reply to: It's not "2 years ago" by LunaticSXDo they sell Macs without the OS??
(NT) Why are you talking about Jim Cramer???
by irafreight - 9/8/07 5:55 PM In reply to: It's not "2 years ago" by LunaticSX(NT) If it wasn't a PR blunder then why the $100 pacifier?
by irafreight - 9/8/07 5:58 PM In reply to: It's not "2 years ago" by LunaticSXBecause it is just that, a pacifier, that which causes peace
by Vance14 - 9/8/07 6:49 PM In reply to: (NT) If it wasn't a PR blunder then why the $100 pacifier? by irafreightIt really was a great marketing stroke, if you ask me, and my guess is that they had it all ready to go before hand. Those who felt cheated get $100 in pocket, and they are happy (and I am sure that most are), and Apple STILL got an extra $100 out of them? And they are smiling about it! Pretty slick if you ask me.
Ohh, So you're saying it was scam?
by irafreight - 9/8/07 7:19 PM In reply to: Because it is just that, a pacifier, that which causes peace by Vance14BUT How many times can you do that to people before they stop buying?
Oh what the eff am I saying, they're fanboys, they'll always go back for more.
Exactly, the entire world will keep buying . . .
by Vance14 - 9/8/07 7:44 PM In reply to: Ohh, So you're saying it was scam? by irafreightI am not a fanboy by any stretch, but I have to admit that they got it going on. They are the "Windows" of the mp3 gadget market.
Just watch, they will get away with this totally, and make a bundle before Christmas.
...he takes a lickin' and still keeps on....bitchin'
by payshunz - 9/9/07 7:53 AM In reply to: Ohh, So you're saying it was scam? by irafreightMan, you seem to be quite the Mac hater.
You realize, I hope, that you haven't had a single constructive thing to say on this entire thread. You just a Mac-hatin' troll or do you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, regardless of the fact that you're just spouting nonsense?
Just wondering.
(NT) Can you be more specific about which part is nonsense?
by irafreight - 9/9/07 9:25 AM In reply to: Ohh, So you're saying it was scam? by irafreightEventually someone will overtake Apple in this market, but .
by Vance14 - 9/10/07 7:05 AM In reply to: Because I am talking about this price cut... by irafreightThere will come a day, and maybe in our lifetimes, when Apple is no longer the dominant force in this consumer market. But I don't think it will happen for a good while, and I doubt if it will be the result of a marketing gaffe.
It will happen because someone will finally come along and present a better product experience, which is a lot more than the quality of the device itself (some would argue that has already been done). It would require better software integration, ease of use, and style. The thing that will be the hardest is providing that overall "universe" of the iTunes/iPod experience. I shop at Amazon because of "one-click", and I use an iPod because I want one place I can get my stuff and load it up. So, the iPod-buster will need more stuff than iTunes, a simpler and yet richer experience for getting that stuff into your ears.
That seems a far way off for the rest of the market.
not well executed
by matevam - 9/8/07 7:03 AM In reply to: Molly, here is why you are wrong :0) (repost, sorry) by Vance14Jobs would have made the whole situation a lot better in apple's favour if he had announced during the event that while he believes there is an early adopter's tax, but to reward the apple supporters he will do a one time only rebate of $100 to all those who bought the iphone.
he could have said everything he wanted to say in his letter and even give this lesson about technology fast lane, and if well executed it would have been flawless. he would have appeared as a saint and apple totally generous.
No, then it would show it was all planned . . .
by Vance14 - 9/8/07 6:53 PM In reply to: not well executed by matevamIt was much more effective as a "response to the customer base". To blithely hand back money right up front is like admitting it was wrong in the first place. Better to just make the announcement of the drop as if the entire thing is legit and acceptable. THEN, when some start complaining, you say "well, really, we don't think that was unfair at all, but since we value our customers SO much, we will listen to your voice and respond. We are just that way . . ."
Brilliant, I say.
And, yes, the stock will be back up next week and will reach all time highs all through the holiday season.
Apple has never cared about its customers
by nervh - 9/8/07 10:08 PM In reply to: Molly, here is why you are wrong :0) (repost, sorry) by Vance14No one should find Apple's actions surprising, after all putting their bottom line before their customer’s interests has always been part of the company’s culture. Don’t get me wrong they generally made good products, but I truly do not think they really care about their customers. Back in the Mac II days I was an Apple fan until I bought a MAC IIvx. The machine was release in Oct 92 and I bought it in Dec 92 for around $3500 Cdn. Apple discontinued the computer in Feb 93 (it was only on the market 5 months) and replaced is witha much faster machine that was almost a $1000 less. They then offered a motherboard upgrade for IIvx owners for another $1800. I ended up with an obsolete three month old computer. Apple did not offer rebates or discounts on the upgrade path. Ever since then I have never trusted the company.
And another Mac-hater sounds off.
by payshunz - 9/9/07 8:07 AM In reply to: Apple has never cared about its customers by nervhI'm sure they had YOU specifically in mind, and the fact that YOU had just purchased a Mac, when they decided to offer a newer, faster model for less. Now why would any company ever offer a newer, faster product for less??? Unheard of!
It was YOU who purchased the product right at the end of its lifetime - which all products reach, sooner or later. As has been mentioned over and over, such is the 'chance' when purchasing high-tech things. Your only other option would have been to wait. But then, you'd inevitably end up waiting forever, as there will always be something newer, better, faster right around the corner.
As it was, you ended up with a fine product which, if you gave it a chance, did what it was supposed to so just as expected. Or did you decide to hate not only the company but the actual product you purchased just to spite them? If so, how's your face doing, without a nose?
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