Home audio & video: Poll: If you had one choice, which format would you pick?
- 8/22/07 3:09 PM
Blu-Ray is the only real HD DVD.
by paulndyment - 8/25/07 2:08 PM In reply to: The Right Choice (So Far HD) by PCMechanicThe fact that the max theoretical hd dvd capacity is only 60gb (4 layers) and that the blu-ray's is 200gb doesn't mean much to me. The fact that blu-ray has almost twice the bit rate doesn't really matter. The fact that blu-ray has a protective coating doesn't matter to me. The fact that the max burning speed for hd dvd will be reached long before blu rays doesn't matter to me. The fact that it takes less energy to run blu ray than it does hd dvd doesn't matter to me. WHAT DOES MATTER?!?... INTERACTIVE MENUS... they are so awesome, I can spend countless hours re-editing someone elses film, watching directors bable on about how they made the movie I just watched... oh wait how can they fit all of that on to one disc? Oh so it's two discs now. That's ok I wanted to spend extra money on the special edition anyways. Do you know what would be cool?... Is if someone made a movie in 3D and put on a format that everyone could watch... hey maybe HD DVD... wait, no their bit rate is to limited, Blu ray??? Mitubishi is working on a 3D HD DVD player for Blu-Ray discs ONLY. Awe, crap my movie is all dirty with fingerprints, gravy and such... what will I do? If you have a Blu-Ray disc you can clean it off with your t-shirt because of it's special Durabis hard protective coating. (CAUTION: Don't do this with HD DVDs cause it will scratch them.)
BLU-RAY is the ONLY real HD DVD and you now know why.
How to Manipulate the Public
by Richard Dino - 8/26/07 11:56 AM In reply to: Blu-Ray is the only real HD DVD. by paulndymentPaul, you've made some very noteworthy points in your post.
Unfortunately, the public is being manipulated by a consortium of big businesses (on either side), and the net result is that, since they're spending a ton of money in this battle, the HD format war will not be over any time soon.
There are many who naively say "let the cheaper cost format win"; if the HD-DVD format wins, we, the consumers will not benefit (for some of the reasons you cited) because the price difference TODAY is not going to matter that much in the LONG TERM; if people could only understand this point, then what would be their rationale for choosing HD-DVD? I believe the case “for HD-DVD” vanishes really fast!
Then there are the "Sony Haters" and those who don't like Sony products because they're generally higher priced; but there's overwhelming evidence that Sony products represent higher quality engineering; you want examples? HDTVs, DVD players; game consoles; the list goes on. On the subject of “quality”, let’s use the example of cars. If you want a Ford, buy it. If you want a Mercedes or a Lexus, buy it.
The fact that Sony invented BD format shouldn't be relevant, either; the BD technology can be licensed to other BD manufacturers, and BD players can be offered to the general public in a wide price range, where the cheapest has few “feature-rich” offerings while the most expensive has a ton of them.
In brief, we, the consumer, will "lose" if HD-DVD is adopted.
Sony haters...........how about Microsoft!!
by mini14gb - 8/26/07 12:16 PM In reply to: How to Manipulate the Public by Richard DinoCome you Sony haters. You complain about Sony but what about Microsoft??
Mini, I Don't Understand Your Post
by Richard Dino - 8/26/07 1:14 PM In reply to: Sony haters...........how about Microsoft!! by mini14gbI am not a "Sony Hater", like quite a number of ppl on this thread. In my post, I attempted to present only factual info. If a company makes a good product, it's up to us, as consumers to "vote with our wallets". I, for one, appreciate the quality engineering that goes into some consumer electronics products, and am willing to pay a higher price for it. I'm very much in favor of getting my money's worth; so if, after detailed comparisons, I believe I can find an equivalent quality product on that market that's cheaper than the Sony, yes, I'll buy it.
I have no love for Microsoft (M$). I do not care for this company, and for a variety of very legitimate reasons, some of which go back 20 years in time. In brief, M$ business practices are unethical, IMO; I can provide a ton of facts to support this statement, if you wish.
no proof needed
by mini14gb - 8/26/07 3:28 PM In reply to: Mini, I Don't Understand Your Post by Richard DinoI was just using your points about engineering and Sony haters to move this discussion over to Microsoft who is just as arrogant as Sony and they are backing HD-DVD. So why back HD-DVD based on hating Sony? Why not use the best tech that many HD-DVD fans seem willing to acknowlege belongs to Blu-Ray? Microsoft sucks but I still use their stuff sometimes but I do own a Mac also.
Blu-Ray SUCKS!
by JBDragon - 8/26/07 7:04 PM In reply to: no proof needed by mini14gbThe best Tech is NOT Blu-Ray! Who says that, Blu-Ray fanboys? The ONLY thing Blu-Ray has over HD DVD is that extra 20 gig's of space that doesn't seem to matter at all for HD movies!
If you call Double the Copy protection, Region Encoding, and not even a finished format a GOOD thing, then I guess Blu-Ray is for you as HD DVD has NONE OF THAT!!!
Many supposedly Blu-Ray only Releases also happen to be released on HD DVD also, just not in the US. But thanks to the lack of Region Encoding of HD DVD, we have access to a far greater amount of movies. Almost ALL of the Movie Studio's that support Blu-Ray are SONY OWNED!!! MS owns NO Movie Studio's, and neither does Toshiba.
Sony wants people to move away from DVD which is easily copied, and HD DVD isn't much better, but that Double Copy protection is what Sony likes. Not to mention things like being able to Disable your Blu-Ray drive once it's been hacked! All part of the BD+ specs that aren't being used YET because Blu-Ray hasn't even been FINALIZED yet. It was rushed out into the marketplace before it was ready. Why? Because the PS3 was already going to be released 6 months late, and they should couldn't wait until October 2007 when it's supposedly going to be finalized as it would have been to late. The War would have been over before it begun.
Movies released on both formats now, many of them on HD DVD have extra content. Blu-Ray doesn't look or sound any better then HD DVD, in fact Blu-Ray only recently caught up to the Quality of HD DVD. Still the Video transfer rate of each format is the SAME, and even if you didn't compress Blu-Ray as much, it doesn't help any as it can only stream so fast anyway. There's more then enough Room for a HD Movie on a 30 gig HD DVD Disc. Even with a bunch of extra content!
Your NOT going to see any Blu-Ray movie using larger then a Double Layer 50 gig disc. That's the limit for Blu-Ray Movies, just like 30 Gig's is for HD DVD. Sure you'll see larger sizes for Blu-Ray being used on Computers some time in the future.
HD DVD now has even better Studio Support. HD DVD now has a even better Movie listing to come out. Add to that the So called Blu-Ray only movies, that you can buy NOW on HD DVD, and Blu-Ray is a goner, and the sooner the better before they both die from everyone waiting to see who wins. Don't need another Sony screw over like SACD Vs. DVD Audio. Instead of having High Quality Audio with 1 format being released, Sony had to once again have their own SACD, and pretty much killed both formats to low quality MP3's and IPODs.
Do I really need to get into the whole VHS Vs. Betamax, or Memory Stick Vs. Compact Flash and the other standards? UMD and MD Discs? How about the CD DRM garbage, or the Fake Movie Critic, Nice BIG fine for that one.
MS has a small part of this. MS Video Codex VC-1 is used on BOTH HD DVD and Blu-Ray. MS also doesn't like the double Copy protection of Blu-Ray. MS wants HD Movie servers using of course MS software. It's going to be pretty hard to rip a BD+ Blu-Ray movie to put on your Media server. MS also already has HD Movie downloads though LIVE which is the future anyway. This isn't a SONY Vs. MS thing, this is Blu-Ray Vs. HD DVD. I Prefer HD DVD for many Reasons.
#1 It's a Finished Standard!
#2 It has extra features that Blu-Ray doesn't do yet until it's finalized in October 2007.
#3 A Ethernet port is required on ALL HD DVD players, and is only a Option even after Blu-Ray has been finalized.
#4 It has NO Region Encoding. You can buy a HD DVD disc anywhere in the world and it'll play on a US player for example
#5 Doesn't have Double the Copy protection that Blu-Ray has.
#6 HD DVD was Developed by the SAME group who did DVD!
#7 HD DVD is CHEAPER
#8 More and better movies on HD DVD, when you add in all the Blu-Ray Movies you can get in HD DVD from out of the US!
The ONLY downside with HD DVD is it lacks the extra 20 gig's of space. Which so far hasn't mattered, even with all the extra content. So it's not really a big deal at all.
Mini, OK, Now I Understand
by Richard Dino - 8/26/07 8:18 PM In reply to: no proof needed by mini14gbYep! You are absolutely correct. Both firms are arrogant; the difference is that M$ is highly unethical, based on their history.
For many years, I've been forced to use M$ operating systems and apps software because my clients used it... but now, the "tide is turning", and PC owners have every reason to switch to the new iMac (as you well know). I just ordered some high end iMacs for my office (won't be shipped until late Sep though).
I'm just sick and tired of paying M$ twice over and thrice over, for the same products that my other PCs already have; and the worst part of it all is that M$ products aren't even "high quality".
Regarding JB Dragon's post on HD-DVD and BD advantages, he's so far off the mark that it's not even worthy of a response.
Yeah MS sucks....
by mini14gb - 8/27/07 5:31 AM In reply to: Mini, OK, Now I Understand by Richard DinoYou hit the nail on the head about M$.
In the Dragon post I like how he called blu-Ray dead yet they are selling 2-1 in sales.
Blu-Ray!
by Clarkegoof_14 - 8/27/07 9:20 AM In reply to: Poll: If you had one choice, which format would you pick? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Blu-Ray Discs (BDs) are overall the best technology available in discs. Here's why:
-It has the overall greatest capacity, which then allows for these exclusive capabilities:
-A sharper 1080p HD resolution,
-Spectacular 5-, 6-, or 7.1 digital surround sound capability,
-More special features that can be viewed before, during, and after the film,
-Less compression for even greater audio/video quality,
-and if you're using them on the computer, you can use just a few of these to back up your entire hard drive.
Plus, it brings out a new technology. Blu Ray is what it is, a blue ray. This technology could be used in future-generation discs to allow for more capacity than would be possible with a red laser.
Go HD DVD
by AlbertW - 8/28/07 9:35 AM In reply to: Poll: If you had one choice, which format would you pick? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Cheap, great image quality... $211 for HD-A2 now on Amazon.com with 8 FREE HD DVDs!! And not Sony proprietary crap!
Hmmm...
by santuccie - 8/29/07 1:36 PM In reply to: Poll: If you had one choice, which format would you pick? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
To my understanding, Blu-Ray discs have a higher storage capacity, but they don't use it for video. HD DVD actually puts out higher resolution, which is why Paramount kicked Blu-Ray to the curb. I'm not sure which has better audio, but I doubt either of them sounds like one of my vinyls. As long as I can hear reasonably clearly what's going on, and the highs still ring, and the lows still shake the floor, I want the picture to be as clear as possible. If a fine woman is strutting her stuff in a movie, I want enough detail to see all of it, even her navel; I don't want everything all grainy.
High capacity to some might be an attractive feature; I think it really depends on the individual. My ISP (Comcast) blocks torrent networks, which is just another good reason for me to be conscientious about what I do online. Occasionally, I'll find a new application that I need or think I need, but rarely anything of colossal size. As it were, I don't need hard drives with terabytes of storage, or the largest-capacity optical discs I can get. Between these two new mediums, the thing that matters most to me is the picture; HD DVD gets my vote.
Let's Resist Being "Manipulated" by Big Business
by Richard Dino - 9/11/07 8:50 AM In reply to: Hmmm... by santuccieSantucci Quote: "To my understanding, Blu-Ray discs have a higher storage capacity, but they don't use it for video. HD DVD actually puts out higher resolution, which is why Paramount kicked Blu-Ray to the curb."
Big Businesses are manipulating the general public into believing this; if you wish to believe it, be my guest.
Blu Ray
by dre.caruana - 8/30/07 1:25 PM In reply to: Poll: If you had one choice, which format would you pick? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I am more of a blu ray fan. First of all, the storage capacity - 2 layers of blu ray disc hold 9GB more data than 3 layers of HD-DVD. Second, the name I like more. It's nice to have something new. It seems more advanced and is shorter. Just think. You're talking to someone and have to keep repeating HDDVD. Blu Ray is much faster.
Otherwise, why not have both. Or, better we can wait for the pioneer discs. I don't know the name, but it will wipe out blu ray, HDDVD and all the others, INCLUDING hard discs, with 500GB of storage capacity, or at least that's what the available information says. It uses an ultraviolet ray, which is still 'thinner' than the blue ray. It goes out of the visible light section in the electromagnetic spectrum, in fact.
I would say that in the near future, electronic space will not be much of a problem, at least with the software we see today as futureistic. With 500GB discs and 300Terabit(38400GB) hard discs in 2010, and quantum computers on the horizon we are definitely improving. Scientists are working out ways to let the human body be a computer.
'In your body is more computing power than in any manmade supercomputer. The future of computing bypasses silicon in favor of the far-more-powerful DNA strand, and the possibilities are endless.' source how stuff works
Cheaper is Better
by wawa82G - 9/10/07 9:01 PM In reply to: Poll: If you had one choice, which format would you pick? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
I would take HD for actually viewing purposes because its cheaper. But I want Blu-Ray for storage purposes on my computer.
A Classic War
by w_axefield - 9/11/07 3:19 PM In reply to: Poll: If you had one choice, which format would you pick? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Years ago there was a fight about video formats: VHS won, even though it was not the best system, but because the companies that promoted (simply said, produced) the VHS-equipment made sure that pre-recorded films (for a main part adult movies) were made available (to buy). In fact, the very best system (technically) was Philips 2000. I doubt whether many people even remember that this system existed. I'm afraid, that history repeats itself. Even though Blue Ray has better qualities en therefore should become the standard, other elements (like in the past) will -unfortunately- play a decisive role in 'winning the battle'.
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