Browsers: IE7 vs FF2 ?
Ah, a sandbox...
by John.Wilkinson
- 7/30/07 10:49 PM
In reply to: . by Me, Myself and You
On that I have two points:
1.) While there are some programs designed specifically for IE, Sanboxie and others let you run any program, including Firefox, in a sandbox. Thus, it's not unique to IE and directly contradicts your statement "IE is the only browser I know of you can completely secure against all malware." Truth is GPEdit and Sanboxie more or less affect all browsers equally, provided you utilize all of the options they provide.
2.) You're then placing your security in a sandbox application, which in itself is not 100% guaranteed. If I'm not mistaken proof-of-concept programs designed to circumvent the 'protection' sandboxes offer made the back page news about a year ago.
My point is that natively Firefox is somewhat more secure than IE and is backed by more third-party support to help enhance its security and functionality, partly through the vast array of extensions. Add to that your security software, sandboxes, SiteAdvisor, etc. and you can feel reasonably confident. You can get by with IE by adding protection and being careful, but you should never tell people they are 100% secure, particularly with IE alone, and never forget that at this point Firefox still has fewer severe holes to plug, with patches being released faster than those from Microsoft. You can debate why this is, to what extent it matters, and how long it will last, but it's still the statistically-proven situation at this time.
John
Sandboxie? Uhh no.
by Me, Myself and You - 7/30/07 11:18 PM In reply to: Ah, a sandbox... by John.Wilkinson
I mean SAND BOX, as in, blocking everything from affecting you basically. Not sandboxie, which I believe is an app itself.
Look, your obviously one of probably millions who has been put under the spell of Firefox is the bees knees, and I really shall stop wasting my time battling with you (cos lets face it its not exactly mature on forums is it) and just accept to myself and my group that we all know what true security is and.. well.. what can I say about the rest.
Have a good day now, sir.
O and btw since when could you administer ANYTHING to do with Firefox, thru GPEDIT? :s
True security...
by John.Wilkinson - 7/30/07 11:53 PM
In reply to: Sandboxie? Uhh no. by Me, Myself and You
1.) Sandboxie is an application-based sandbox. It lets you run applications in their own little bubbles, preventing them from writing data outside of their designated space or interacting with external applications/processes. See the explanation of what a sandbox is.
2.) Actually, I acknowledge the deficiencies in all browsers, but have no delusions that "IE is the only browser I know of you can completely secure against all malware." I just point to the number and extent of the flaws in each, how many and how fast they have been fixed, and how you can add protection to them. Internet Explorer's numbers don't lie. Firefox is far from perfect, but IE7 is a little lower on that totem pole.
3.) I take it you're not familiar with FirefoxADM, Wetdog, or any of the others?
Have a good day now, sir.
John
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by Me, Myself and You - 7/31/07 12:05 AM In reply to: True security... by John.Wilkinson
I'll have a look at those links after my breakfast, but to be honest I willprobably never need to use them.
And I used IE7 for a time.. and didnt like it. Its back to good old 6 for me, at the time being.
Yeah !! Debate is on !
by javagorilla - 7/31/07 3:05 AM In reply to: ... by Me, Myself and YouI see my topic is working well !!
As to add , As soon as your are conected to the internet, YOU ARE NO LONGER 100% protected !!! Information comes in and comes out so leaves a hole !!
Though all of the malicious stuff you said ... It's very rare to get ! Today, hackers prefer bigger targets where they cna make money by selling valuable informations ...
unless you go on Free Porn, you ain't gonna get much bad stuff.
I hate to say it..
by Me, Myself and You - 8/1/07 5:14 PM In reply to: Yeah !! Debate is on ! by javagorillaBut there are even porn sites that wont hose your computer.
You just have to know where to look.
lol i agree, people are too uptight about defending firefox
by kre8ive - 8/3/07 10:27 PM In reply to: woo by Me, Myself and Youi have used both and i prefer ie. i can't stand the download manager in firefox. firefox is basiclly a cut down version of ie anyways with some stuff to make it seem safe. the features of ie are much more intuitive to use, and with vista, i have never had any security issues. although the activex verifacations are a bit annoying, you get used to it.
Exactly.
by Me, Myself and You - 8/4/07 5:43 PM In reply to: lol i agree, people are too uptight about defending firefox by kre8iveIts like Mac users. If they were truly, truly, satisfied with their product, and that they actually were using "the best" they wouldnt go on about it 24/7.
The only time you will ever hear me being even vaguely like that with Windows/IE, is in situations like this where people need to wake up and smell the coffee and be more fair about things.
Sure, Firefox has its advantages. Stock setup is probably more secure than IE, but that doesnt mean to say IE is not configurable to be secure too. It has themes that look nice.
Same with Mac. It looks nice, its elegant, and supposed to be very stable and reliable. But then again, so is Windows, in the right hands.
it's not about defending firefox too tight
by daleisfflchamp - 8/5/07 12:05 AM In reply to: lol i agree, people are too uptight about defending firefox by kre8ive"the features of ie are much more intuitive to use, and with vista"
Oh really? I dumped out IE7 because... it's interface is really unintuitive, IE6's interface is much more intuitive, but you know all of IE6's problem with the OS and the security.
"i can't stand the download manager in firefox"
If you can't stand Firefox's download manager, it's more than easy to replace it. You install FlashGot extension then install any download manager it supports (which is almost all major download manager).
"firefox is basiclly a cut down version of ie anyways with some stuff to make it seem safe"
Firefox isn't a cut down version of IE. Instead Firefox is a cut-down version of Mozilla, which originated from Netscape Navigator. And it is much safer, just by not having ActiveX supported. Many people says ActiveX is unsecure or the otherwise but don't really understand why, it's not the case with me, being a programmer. ActiveX is really just like a small interfaceless program, it could anything a full-blown program could do and downloading the ActiveX is automatically done with IE6. It's a good thing that IE7 provide what they called Protected Mode, which provide a sandbox against ActiveX running from IE7, but still, anything made by a human is breakable by human.
"i have never had any security issues."
Yeah, probably you only visited the best kind of website out there, only visited all the big-brand website like MSN or Yahoo or MySpace or Friendster or anything similar, without digging deeper to the less spotlighted websites. But some people who visited all kind of website would regularly run into a site that aren't very nice. If you only visited big-brand websites, IE6 is more than enough for you.
And not everything in Firefox is great either I could agree, but most if not all of it could be remedied by the addons Firefox had. If you hated to have to open another browser because of incompatibility with Firefox, you could open IE in Firefox with IETabs extension. If you hated Firefox's Default Interface (which Microsoft imitated in IE7) there are themes that could change Firefox's interface into any browser you could imagine IE6 and IE7 are among many. If you wanted ActiveX in Firefox, it is possible to add ActiveX support by Addons (I forgot the name of the extension), but I'm sure most people wouldn't do that anyway.
Anyway, unlike most people would've thought, IE and Firefox are not enemies. They're more like rivals, you might not know but IE7's devteam once sent Mozilla a congratulations cake at the launching of Firefox 2.
I tried all of them, everyone had compatability issues.
by kjdinoc - 8/3/07 7:55 PM In reply to: IE7 vs FF2 ? by javagorillaI hear so much about all of the alternatives so I tried everything. Firefox, Opera, and Safari.
Each one had problems loading different Web sites I use that work fine with IE7. I just stick with what works best.
just read the body
by THEMASTEROFSAX - 8/3/07 8:36 PM In reply to: I tried all of them, everyone had compatability issues. by kjdinocFirefox>Internet Explorer
IE7 Compatibility
by Laserwulf - 8/4/07 3:09 AM In reply to: I tried all of them, everyone had compatability issues. by kjdinocA properly-made website conforms to international, freely available standards. That way, it'll look the same whether you're viewing it using IE6, IE7, Firefox, Opera, Safari, or whichever web browser you want. The problem is that Microsoft likes to make its own 'standards' (ActiveX) or doesn't stay up-to-date with current ones (CSS), and lazy web developers cater ONLY to IE, the most widely used web browser, rather than actual standards.
I don't agree with MS trying to control the internet by introducing proprietary 'standards', so I avoid using IE and spread the word to my friends/coworkers/random strangers. By continuing to use IE, you're implying that you don't mind MS's actions.
Anecdotally, I've loaded the same website with IE6 and Firefox, and Firefox -did- load it faster. Also, there are tons and tons of free add-ons for one to customize Firefox. IE7 has some, but not as many.
you want security?
by kre8ive - 8/3/07 10:34 PM In reply to: IE7 vs FF2 ? by javagorillahow about you run some os that no one will ever think to use, lets say mac for example, and connect on a connection so slow if a virus or hacker trys to do anything such as 4400 baud. also the modem noise can be quite relaxing. i like the idea of two modems squaking in some insane ritual of communication.
firefox or ie7
by janjan1955 - 8/4/07 2:05 AM In reply to: IE7 vs FF2 ? by javagorillaI think personally that ie7 runs too slow Firefox is much faster.
My two cents
by thereallalablue - 8/4/07 7:46 AM In reply to: IE7 vs FF2 ? by javagorillaI have used Firefox for the last four years and have not looked back. I read about security issues and the like. As an average user (specific websites visited daily with the occasional link to some place else) I find that Firefox loads faster, the extensions and download manager are useful and easy to use, and the appearance is less cluttered the IE7.
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