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I keep getting bombarded with ads about HDTV. When I go to a store that carries them (for example, Best Buy or Costco) I find that the clerks really don't know much about them. I came across one that looks interesting, but the description is nothing if not confusing. Perhaps someone can help me untangle the technical gobbledygook. For example: the set I was looking at is a 42-inch HD LCD set with a resolution of 1,920x1,080. It is compatible with 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. I think i means interlaced (like my analog TV set) and p means progressive. What is the significance of these designations, as a practical matter? Is i or p defined by the TV station or is that a choice of the receiver? It is said to be compatible to NTSC (I recognize that), ATSC, and QAM (what are these?), and are there other systems out there that need to be covered? What is Media Connectivity? Someone needs to publish a document that ordinary mortals can read and understand. Any suggestions?
Submitted by: Nat C.
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De-Mystifying HDTV
Wow! A Lot of questions! Let's start by looking at those confusing HDTV definitions and then we'll look at how the signals are received from your DVD player or Cable box.
Basic, old fashioned TV (the kind you might have bunny ear antennas behind) are 480i. The 480 means that there are 480 lines of "light" hitting the screen of your TV from behind (counting from bottom to top). Now let's call the very bottom-most line, line 1, the one above line 2 and so on, okay?
The i indictor, you are quite right, means "interlaced". The problem with old analogue TV signals is that they can't carry very much data at one time (they have a small "bandwidth"), which makes it difficult to reliably get 480 lines of data to your TV at once. Instead, they actually only broadcast half of the signal, (lines 1, 3, 5, etc) and then right after that the other half (line 2, 4, 6 etc) in a separate transmission. If your TV keeps alternating the picture between odd and even lines fast enough, you don't see much of a difference. It is therefore “interlacing” the two separate pictures of 240 line each.
naturally this means that the other type of indicator, p (which stands for progressive), simply means that the device is showing you all of the lines all of the time. That is to say instead of updating lines 1, 3, 5 and then 2, 4, 6, it updates 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, which makes for a much smoother looking picture, especially when your are watching something with a lot of fast movement like an action movie.
The screen resolution will also tell you the number of lines on the TV screen (in your example of 1920 x 1080 this would be a resolution of 1080 lines).
There are three "defintions" for TV types, Standard Definition (SD), Enhanced Definition (ED) and High Definition (HD). SD simply means 480i (480 lines, not all shown at once). ED means 480p (480 lines, all seen at once). You will very rarely see ED as a TV feature anymore, and I think most people on this board would strongly recommend against even looking at an ED set. So, anything that's left (anything with more than 480 lines) is considered HD.
Therefore because progressive is the best way to deliver a signal and 1080 lines is the highest number of lines in use today, a 1080p TV will future proof you and provide the highest quality picture options. These are getting so cheap now that unless you are looking for a real budget unit I wouldn't buy anything else.
For a long time LCD and Plasma HDTVs only came in 720p (unless you had LOTS of money to burn), but more and more 1080p sets are now out there, and at very reasonable prices, almost all projection TVs produced new now are 1080p.
Now let's move onto how we get that HD picture to your TV. Just like music, your picture quality will only be as good as your weakest component. If you are listening to an old audio cassette, it doesn't make much difference how expensive your sound setup is, you are not going to get great quality music. The same is true of TV.
People generally get their TV one of 3 ways, Cable, Satellite or the Free over-the-air kind.
All of these ways of receiving TV offer HD content (they broadcast a digital signal that can carry HD information, separate to the analogue signal that older TVs pick up). Most cable and sat providers can rent you an "HD Box" that will allow you access their HD content.
They may broadcast some shows in 720 lines, but most now come in 1080i. You should beware that in order to "save space" both cable and satellite providers compress their HD signals. Decompressing these signals for you to see is what their "HD Box" is doing (just like ZIPing a computer file). You will inevitably lose some picture quality due to this compression process but for most people the difference is minimal. Just a side note, an HD satellite signal is typically less heavily compressed than its cable cousin.
You can watch a 1080 signal on a 480 digital set if you want but you will of course lose some of the detail. Likewise, you can watch a 480 broadcast on a 1080 set. In this case your TV actually has a small "brain" inside it, which creates new lines to make a full 1080 image (it looks at the colors above and below the line it is creating and guesses what should go in the middle). This process is called "up-scaling". If you are going to be watching a lot of regular DVDs (which are in 480p as long as you have a "Progressive Scan" DVD player) then how well the TV up-converts should be a key question you want answered before you buy.
You don’t need to worry at all about NTSC versus ATSC versus QAM. NTSC is the name given to the way US broadcasts manage color in the picture. ATSC is simply the name of the council of people who set the rules for HDTV (so that you can buy any brand HDTV and it will work with any HD signal) and QAM is simply a way to modulate the signal to fit more data into the same signal. All HDTVs will use QAM and comply with ATSC….
Finally your question on "Media Connectivity". This simply means it has a lot of plugs in the back and front... that's it. It means you can connect it to a standard digital connection with a Digital Coax Cable, or through an HDMI cable or to a computer with DVI etc. Often you can plug a USB thumb drive or your digital camera’s memory card right into the TV to view pictures on them as well....
Although 1080p sets can play up to 1080p signals, there are no broadcasts out there in any definition better than 1080i right now (and due to bandwidth restrictions, there won’t be for some time yet). However your 1080p ability comes into play with the new High Definition DVD formats (HD DVD and Blu Ray DVD). These both send out a 1080p signal, for the best picture quality possible.
In short, when you are in the store, look at any 1080p TV. If you are looking at it in a store try to see if they can show you a standard 480 signal on it as well as HD to see how it handles both types of signal.
I hope this helps!
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the you got the i and p correct. with interlancing it puts out every other line per sweep where as progressive puts out every single line. progresive is good for fast action. most Satilite receivers and cable boxes are 720p or 1080i where as HDDVD Blu-ray players are 1080P compatible. NTSC is used in North America the rest are in different countries (why some dvds you buy in Europe wont play on your dvd player)
Interlaced signals are sent by CBS and NBC. First the 1's are sent and then the O's are sent, they "interlace" (get together) and form the signal. 480I is standard definition, 1080I is high definition. ABC and FOX for example send 720 1's and O's all at once (progressive scan) 720P for high def. The human eye cannot see the difference in 1080I and 720P. A regular cable or satelite broadcast is 480I in standard definition, while a regular DVD is 480P, which is why a DVD looks a lot better than standard television. NTSC is the old broadcast standards for analog tv, while ATSC is the standard for digital TV signals. A QAM tuner in a TV can decode and play the signals from coded cable if the TV has a "Cable Card" inserted from the cable company. 1080P is that many lines of resolution put on the screen all at once from a Blue Ray 1080P DVD Player playing a disc recorded in that format. More lines displayed all at once means better clarity and richness of all the colors on the tv. No broadcast signal today is broadcast in 1080P, only from a blue ray dvd player. It may be years till the broadcast industry transmits a 1080P signal. A 1080P tv does not make regular HD signals any better than a 720P/1080I signal. All of todays HD tv's automatically decode whichever type of signal is received.
The only thing I can tell you is this: The standard analog tv signals are scheduled to be totally stopped as of Feb. 2009. If you don't have a digital tuner in your tv you will not be able to receive any tv stations (unless you buy a converter).
The only TV's that will lose signal are those that are using an antenna. The great part is that if you're using an antenna, an HDTV with digital tuner, or conversion box, will substantially increase your viewing. Your picture quality will be crystal clear, like satellite, and you will likely add to your High Definition content, and get more local channels from those that are "multi-casting". Local broadcasters now have the ability to send more than one "channel". For example, St. Louis PBS sends 4, now. 9-1 is all HD, 9-2 is all kids, 9-3 is what's broadcast analog, and 9-4 is the Create channel.
Thank you, Hi-def Jeff; I did not know about the 4 channels of PBS in St. Louis.
There's more too! Music on 11-2, weather on 5-2, and more to come.
Check out this page for all of your HDTV answers whatever city you are in, including DTV broadcasts.
http://www.wowvision.tv/answers.htm
Happy HD Hunting!
Highdef Jeff
I have a 3 inch 'pocket' TV. Will I have to carry around a 4 pound converter too? Or should I just throw the tv in the trash?
I hope new 'pocket' TVs will be compatible!
Nat C. True HD Resolution comes in 4 flavors. 720i, 720p, 1080i and 1080p. The 720s represent pixel dimensions that are 720x1280 and the 1080's are represented by 1080x1920. The letter "p" and "i" represent 2 things frame rate and interlacing. Interlaced video is always 30 frames per second (29.97 fpr NTCS) and has 2 fields per frame or 60 fields per second. These fields are developed from scan lines which represent every other line. All you need to know though is interlacing, because of the fields is more akin to a little better than the progressive resolution below it. So 1080i is similar though slightly better than 720p. That is why most 720p TVs also support 1080i resolution. Now regrading 480i and 480p those are what are called Standard Definition or DVD resolution.
From a practical standpoint. 1080p is the best, but you only really need to buy a tv with that high resolution if you intend to buy a Blue Ray or HD DVD player. Both will display 1080p, otherwise nothing else (other than a PS3 and an XBOX 360) will display 1080p. TV shows via cable or ATSC (I'll get into that next) are always 1080i, 720p, or a Standard Definition. The TV station chooses to broadcast at what ever the resolutions they decide. The Tuners NTSC ATSC and QAM, all are differnent animals. NTSC is the "standard" over the air signals. Like the ones you get with rabbit ears. Interestingly enough, they now have ATSC tuners which also use rabbit ears, but they can receive and HD signal (for free of you local channels). So both of those tune signals from the "air waves" like NTSC. QAM tuning is the ability for your TV to accept a cable signal without a settop box. If you don't have NTSC and ATSC tuners you may not beable to get a signal from the cable box either.
Media Connectivity usually refers to the multitude of connections that your TV can have, like multiple HDMI ports(what you use to connect HD devices to your TV) as well as computer VGA ports so you can use your tv as a monitor.
I hope this covers everything.
the xbox, tho it DOES offer a an HD-DVD add on, the xbox does NOT have the cable connection ports to shoot out the HD signal to your tv...so i think the max the 360 can do is 480p.
*** i am not sure about the xbox 360 extreme, or whatever it is called...the version where the HD DVD drive comes pre-installed in the 360. im not sure if they added the cable connections to send the HD signal to your tv.
yay for ps3 =)
The Xbox 360 is capable of 720p and 1080i via the HD Component cables (red, blue, & green). My sony lcd shows the resolution in the top left corner when I switch sources. There is, however a switch on the end of the component cable (the end going into the 360)that must be switched to HD in order to recieve the high resolution output.
Yay 360.
Boo $500 for ps3. I would like one though. ![]()
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4denise
The most important thing to look at when selecting a flat panel is the refresh rate. Not all flat panels are equal, LCD or Plasma. A tube ( or CRT) still has a way bigger advantage over both of these. This is important because if you watch Nascar, or action movies, you will notice a blurr behind a fast moving object on the screen with a flat panel, but not with a tube type. Unfortunately you can't buy a very large tube type TV that is 1080P anymore. I have one of the last ones Sony made, they don't do tubes anymore.
The second most important thing to ask for is HDMI. HDMI is a type of connection for your Hidef set. If you have cable or a dish, odds are good there is an HDMI connection on your box. This type of connection is good because it will cut down on the number of cables running behind your set. Also most video cards for your computer have this connection too, allowing you to connect to your computer and watch stuff off the internet.
If you go into a store and start asking about refresh rates, HDMI, and price, pretty much in that order, you will soon see what you can and can not afford. Then do your shopping from there.
There are 18 different systems in HDTV. The ATSC is the digital equivalent of NTSC. That is the group that makes all the rules. I am not sure of QAM. I think it is a way of modulating the signal. It might have something to do with cable specs. Interlaced is sending all odd numbered lines then sending even numbered lines.(2 to 1 interlace) Progressive sends the lines from begining to end without reguard to the number. In my opinion I like progressive because of its lack of flicker. It is also used in computer monitors.So a set with 1080p is an excellent set. If only TV stations would work on the quality of their waveform things would be fine.Make sure the set has HDMI connections.(High Definition Multimedia Interface) Now there's a mouthful. I hope this answers your questions.Good luck with your purchase and ENJOY yourself.
Maybe I'm missing something here - but why are you asking about TV on a computer forum?
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