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Car Tech: Poll: What nationality's carmakers build the better car?
- 6/20/07 3:42 PM
Forget Windows. What about satellite radio?
by alantilden - 6/22/07 10:38 PM In reply to: I agree with Catbird! by morningloryYour problem with the windows can probably be fixed quite easily with some Windex. It doesn't streak or leave a film, nay, nary a sticky spot. I would be more concerned about the satellite radio being installed in a number of cars these days. I've got news for you... those satellites are in outer space. You can't see them because they are so far away, but they are out there, telling everyone what to buy and news channels telling everyone what to think. Come to your senses, people, those satellites are the vehicles of space aliens! We need to build some type of fence to keep these aliens from coming into our cars and our country. They will soon have their kids in all the schools, and before you know it, you will have to wait in line at the Emergency Room because these illegal aliens want treatment just like the rest of us. I say NO! Send them back to where they came from, or else make them go to the end of the line and apply for citizenship just like all the other illegal aliens. And we need to have some real solid rules about inter-species sexual relations. There is no good science at this time, and until there have been some double-blind, studies on people who are already blind, we need to proceed very carefully. If those illegal aliens have eyeballs on stalks, the next thing you know they will be driving and watching the ball came on the built-in satellite receiver (get it?) all at the same time.
Well, that about covers it for me. If you have any questions or comments to make about this email, please write me at lawsedinspace@yahoo.com
Love, Alan
WHY? Waste of time
by mike.searles - 6/21/07 10:41 PM In reply to: WHY? by catbirdYou just wasted your own time by responding. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Have you read the title? (Yes)
by morninglory - 6/23/07 6:53 AM In reply to: Have you read the title? by me4Hey, no offense, but if I want to read about cars I will go to Car & Driver website. I thought this was a site about computers, internet problems, new electronics, etc. (Yeah, I see the sidebar).
Which cars are Best
by dmc83501 - 6/25/07 11:59 AM In reply to: Japanese by jimthJapanese cars raised the bar for dependability, quality and overall performance. Lexus, Acura and Toyota usually rank near the top in dependability. The european cars still rank highest for overall performance, but seem to lag behind in dependability, they require more maintenenance and cost more.
American cars have improved tremendously over the years and are among the best in the world, now. These improvements can be credited, in large part to the Japanese for providing superior quality and affordable prices. All American manufacturers have improved quality and design in response to this competition.
The consumer is the winner, regardless of the national origin of the manufacturer.
Japanese
by jimsuhy - 6/20/07 8:16 PM In reply to: Poll: What nationality's carmakers build the better car? by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
The Japanese cars have out performing and outlasting other cars for years now. They are more innovative too. Look at the hybrid system from Toyota that other manufacturers are now OEM'ing. Their cars are smarter and better made than even the German cars who have been lagging. Forget about American cars. It's too sad to even talk about.
What does the "nationality" of the car mean in this poll??
by nylentone - 6/20/07 10:14 PM In reply to: Japanese by jimsuhyMost of these "Japanese" cars that are praised for their quality and reliability are built in American factories, by American workers, using components made in China, Japan, Mexico, Canada, and who knows where else.
I have a Ford Focus which is a great car. It's essentially a Mazda with a Ford nameplate. So where do the boundaries fall?
American
by me4 - 6/21/07 5:27 AM In reply to: What does the "nationality" of the car mean in this poll?? by nylentoneIf you notice, most import cars' designs try to copy off American cars. What trucks do major companies use for their trucks? GM. It's the reliability and quality. In some places, Fords or Isuzus may be used, but because of their cheaper price. Think of it this way: Ford and many other companies make their cars cheap and less quality because it is a business strategy. You buy a cheap car, use it, it breaks down, get it fixed, breaks down and you get it fixed a couple more times, and then you finally realize, in the one year this all happened, it's cheaper to just get a new car. The company gets all the money from the two cars you bought and all the repairs needed to be done. They don't care about the quality, they just want your constant money.
Wrong! It's because they're cheap
by tcj226 - 6/21/07 5:24 PM In reply to: American by me4Companies use GM because GM gives companies huge discounts to use their vehicles. This in turn helps GM because it gets their vehicles "seated" with the drivers who will think first of GM vehicles when they go to buy a new car. Don't forget, also, that most US companies are going to stick with buying from a US auto maker because they fear the negative publicity that going with a non-US auto maker would cause. There are no other reasons they go with US vehicles - it is not because they are inherently better. It is because they are cheaper and a safe publicity choice.
Also notice what brands are represented by kids' toys - those made by American auto makers. It's because the US auto makers help out the toy manufacturers by giving them access to their designs and allowing them to use them cheaply to keep their presence first and foremost in the minds of consumers (not the kids - the parents.)
Most import cars copy off of each other and ignore trends in US automobiles. Most embarassingly, however, GM copied the Honda Ridgeline for their Avalanche, rushing what was essentially a Suburban with the back cut off into production before Honda got their far superior vehicle on lots. Honda had the Ridgeline in design long before GM thought of the Avalance.
Yeah?
by jty12388 - 6/25/07 12:18 PM In reply to: Wrong! It's because they're cheap by tcj226Your telling us that GM "rushed" the avalanche to production to get it out 4 years before Honda's Ridgeline. Thats an interesting theory...get that off of a cereal box?
GM and Your "Discounts"
by me4 - 8/19/07 10:40 AM In reply to: Wrong! It's because they're cheap by tcj226GM doesn't give any more discounts than Ford or any other company. They're more reliable, and that's it. Fords are also ugly and look like little toenails. After unbolting a deck from the house and any ground supports and putting it on dolleys, a truck should be easily capable of pulling it away from the house, say, for a future extension. An old Ford F-350 Diesel ripped it's bumper (the one mounted on it's frame) off! Then, we brought in a Chevy Silverado 2500 gasoline (equivalent to an F-250) and it pulled the deck out with ease! And what's all this about copying these Hondas and rushing? WTH? First, the Ridgeline was not a great sucess because there are more Avalanches on the roads today than your little Japanese Ridgelines, and the Avalanche was built on a Suburban frame because it was built for the family of four who carried more cargo than a family that had a Suburban. Anyone can tell the difference in appearance between the plain-old small, low-performance Japanese imports; the hideous Fords, Mercurys, and Lincolns; the British look of European cars; and the unique styling of GM vehicles.
Nylentone's boundaries
by Swartswaan - 6/23/07 11:06 AM In reply to: American by me4The operating phrase here is "components made in Japan or China somewhere". Funny, we had the Ford Meteor and the Mazda 323 lookalike coming out of the same factory east of Pretoria in South Africa, the Mazda's lasted longer than the Meteors, with less repairs. I stumbled upon the Mazda 323 in 1982 after My VW Golf 1300cc packed with a patent defect in the radiator, it was under-designed for the hot-and-high Gauteng weather. I drove all three of the first 323 models and to say I am impressed with build quality, road holding and other aspects of this range of cars will remain under statement. To you and me4 I say , vote with your wallets, gentlemen. That actually goes for the lot of us all. Much to be said for Ayn Rand's resentment of mediocrity.
Focus IS NOT a Mazda
by eeee - 6/21/07 5:40 AM In reply to: What does the "nationality" of the car mean in this poll?? by nylentoneThat is wrong. The Focus was Ford designed and is NOT a MAzda at all. That is similar to the Myth that all Chrysler motors are Mitsu. One optional motor on Chrysler original minivan in the 80s was a Mitsu motor and the myth spread that the whole van was a a Mitsubishi
The American car firms still have engineering talent and no amount of ignorant comments by gullible people negates that.
This discussion board are 70% ignorance maquerading as fact most of the time.
People are so damn gullible by any old myth or salesman who bad mouths another brand to make a gullible person buy something. People should do real research before buying something; talking to a salesman IS NOT research. Listening to some guy in a club is NOT research.
the more you know, the better you know.
by arondan - 6/24/07 12:00 PM In reply to: Focus IS NOT a Mazda by eeeeI acquired my vast knowledge of cars from over thirty years of reading the buff magazines; going to car shows and talking to the various representatives of the car companies, often discussing the merits and deficits of the products; test driving up to fifteen vehicles a year,evaluating by the seat of my pants; talking to salesmen;e-mailing automotive editors; and listening to auto-themed talk shows.
I can usually tell someone who asks me what is a better vehicle to buy, within a marketing segment, as opposed to them going out and spending time themselves, often getting confused.
Every once in a while I misspeak of a car history or a car history statistic, as I believe someone has here regarding the chassis origins of the Ford Focus. The current car, as it is sold in the U. S.,is on a chassis formerly shared with both Mazda(on its Protege[nee 323]) and Volvo (on its V40, V50), two auto companies wholely owned by Ford.Both the current replacement vehicles, the Mazda 3 series and the current Volvo V40 and V50, use the chassis of the better European Ford Focus.
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