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Car Tech: Poll: What nationality's carmakers build the better car?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 6/20/07 3:42 PM
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Poll: What nationality's carmakers build the better car?

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 6/20/07 3:42 PM

For the average consumer, what nationality's carmakers build the better car?

American (Why?)
British (Why?)
Chinese (Why?)
French (Why?)
German (Why?)
Italian (Why?)
Japanese (Why?)
Korean (Why?)
Swedish (Why?)
Other (What is it?)

Please remember to be considerate of other members when posting your opinions and replies. Thanks!

Post 2 of 167

Japanese

by jimth - 6/20/07 8:13 PM In reply to: Poll: What nationality's carmakers build the better car? by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

quality

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Which Nationality produces the best cars

by mickeyuze - 6/21/07 7:06 AM In reply to: Japanese by jimth

I totally agree, it is Japan. Their cars really stand up. I kept my first Nissan Maxima for 14 years and people were begging to buy it when I was ready for a new car. The current Altima is 9 years old and still no problems. Who else can match that!
Mickeyu

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The Japanese have the upper hand.

by msilvia - 6/21/07 8:33 AM In reply to: Japanese by jimth

The Japanese can thank W. Edwards Deming and his 14 points of quality system.
History, as I understand it, W. Edwards Deming developed a 14 point quality system and presented it to the big 3 American automakers and was laughed at. As a result, he presented his system to Japanese automakers and they embraced his system and continue to use it today. For more information about W. Edwards Deming 14 points of quality please see http://www.deming.org/theman/teachings02.html.

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No, they don't.

by Mannyd99 - 6/22/07 12:44 AM In reply to: The Japanese have the upper hand. by msilvia

If the Japanese have the upper hand, why do they copy German designs? I mean, look at Lexus from a distance, thats a copy of a Mercedes. Look at the nissan centra, thats a copy of the BMW325. The new Toyota Camry is a copy of the BMW 525. The Japanese auto makers are copy cats who use cheaper parts so they could sell their cars cheaper. Most German cars can go for over twenty thousand miles on one tune up. I don't know any Japanese cars that can go that long without a tune up. There are BMW's, Mercedes and VW's that are over thirty years old, that look pristine and run like new cars. I don't know of any Japanese cars of that age that are not rusted and sitting on blocs.
Japanese cars are cheaper than German cars initially, but in the long run German cars are cheaper to maintain and in the long run are more durable than anything that comes out of Japan. Personally, I think that Germans build the best cars, followed by American Cars. I think U.S. car makers get a bad rapt because of the gas guzzlers that came out of Detroit in the seventies and early eighties. But Detroit produces the most comfortable cars and the best automatic transmissions. The Japanese are light years away from producing anything that can match the comfort and smooth ride of a cadilac or the durability and work horse ability of the chevy caprice or ford crowne victoria.
I think Germans build the best perfomance cars, and Americans build the most comfortable cars. As for durability, I don't know if I would choose a VW bug or a 67 mustang.

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Accord Tune up

by atapul - 6/22/07 12:14 PM In reply to: No, they don't. by Mannyd99

Accord's First Tune up is recommended by the manual at 100,000 miles. I drove mine to 60K miles with no tune up.

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about the mileage

by crabsclaps - 1/25/08 11:44 AM In reply to: Accord Tune up by atapul

for me i think it would depend on the perspective of the user because we cant have it all. but for overall rating, it might be japanese cars because much cheaper than german cars, although durability wise, i would go for german cars.

BTW, a bit off the topic, as you have said that they could run until 200,000miles++, what if you completely overhauled the engine. would still be ok to use? would it still run for another 200k++ mileage?
tnx.. ^^

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Subjective

by Andy77e - 6/23/07 11:54 AM In reply to: No, they don't. by Mannyd99

Yes all car companies copy each other all the time. Further, some designs come out very similar because there's only so much you can change. 4 doors, 4 wheels, trunk, hood, bumpers... you know all cars really are, pretty much, the same. So design changes can only go so far within each class of car.

This thread is impossible to answer. Which is better is so broad, most people will just answer with their personal preference. For example I hate Japanese cars because I'm a big guy, and I can't stand being shoved into a tiny box. I like BMW but they are small too.

Each country has some good areas and not so good areas.

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200,000 plus i have seen them with over 400k

by LOVE-VOIP-LINGO-PHONE - 6/24/07 8:36 PM In reply to: No, they don't. by Mannyd99

200,000 plus i have seen them with over 400k and still going Its like anything treat it well and it will return the favor. Most *** cars are this way Honda, Toyota, and Subaru are the best from what i have seen.

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Sure they do.

by msilvia - 6/26/07 10:57 AM In reply to: No, they don't. by Mannyd99

Americans are great an inventing new technology, but the Japanese are good is building on that technology in terms of quality and consistancy. The good news is that American carmakers have caught on and have quality systems in place and making much better cars.

What I would really like to see is synergy between auto makers and power companies and develop a plug in hybrid that plugs into our power grid and use batteries to not only store power to power the cars, but to power the grid during peak times to avoid having to power up addional power plants and to make wind and solar power more feasible. An average commuter uses a car twice a day to go to work and to return home. The rest of the time the car's battery.

Solar power only works during the day, the wind, in most areas, dusk and dawn. The rest of the time we are asleep.

The goal is the reduce our oil consumption and power consumption and to maximize our use of free power from the sun, wind and water (hydroelectric and ocean currents). Biodiesel and Hydrogen just doesn't cut it because it takes roughly a gallon of gas to make a gallon of biodiesel and drives the price of corn and everything that depends on corn up. It still take a lot of energy to separate hydrogen from other elements. We may have an abundance of hydrgen, but getting to that hydrogent can be quite an effort. If we can continue to develop and improve technology of storing power. Li-ion batteries, which are used to power laptop and cell phones are a good start. Even nuclear power would be a good source of power if we can find a way to reuse the spent fuel rods or at least neutralize them so we can avoid having to store them deep inside a mountain.

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Must be the reason why Porsche...

by make_or_break - 6/26/07 2:39 PM In reply to: No, they don't. by Mannyd99

...went out and hired former Toyota execs and engineers in the '90s to guide them on their makeover that directly lead to their current rebirth and renaissance. So who's copying who?

In Porsche's case, it's not the first time they looked to the Rising Sun for guidance (Mitsubishi's balance shaft technology for the 944 four-banger). And certainly there are specific technologies (VVT, for instance) that started in Japan that have found their way around to the world's other automakers, including Germany's.

I don't really think that one nation's entire industry is intrinsically better than another's. Such blanket statements are ridiculous because different personalities and attitudes run each of these companies. I DO feel that specific companies--Toyota and Honda, in particular--do lead the pack in terms of overall quality across their entire product line, particularly when value is taken into account. From past experience--often quite repetitive, I might add--in their respective service departments, I can't say the same about Nissan or Mazda, for example, so again this idea of one nation's auto industry being inherently superior...all just nationalistic hogwash.

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german engineering

by batman823 - 7/19/07 9:07 AM In reply to: No, they don't. by Mannyd99

Germans are well-known for their engineering. They go from airplanes to cars. But their cars are not cheaper in any aspect. The Jetta is one of the cheapest and will not stand to the same mileage as an altima or sentra will. If VWs, Nissans, Toyotas are well maintained, they will all last to 300k+ miles. But the japanese cars are cheaper to repair and get about the same mileage, if not better.

BTW a light-year is a measure of a vast distance. It is the distance that light will travel over the period of one year. In order to sound intelligent, you might want to use terms like decades or millenia when you want to say that one company is behind another in R&D.

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WHY?

by catbird - 6/21/07 10:41 AM In reply to: Japanese by jimth

Why are we discussing cars on an internet forum?
Waste of time

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I agree with Catbird!

by morninglory - 6/21/07 6:51 PM In reply to: WHY? by catbird

I have a Windows update problem and here we are talking about cars! I can't seem to find out where to go on Cnet to solve this problem!
Help!

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