Community Newsletter: Q&A: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?!
- 6/28/07 3:54 PM
i have the fix
by Mike MacFarlane - 6/16/07 5:25 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
just go Start -> Control panel -> System -> click the Advanced tab -> Under Performance click settings -> go to Advanced tab -> under Virtual memory click change -> click system managed size, if this is already selected the go custom set initial size to how much RAM your computer has then Maximum set to 2x your ram size. (i have 2gb ram mine are set to Initial 2046mb Maximum is 4092mb)
this should fix the problem , if not you need more ram.
Not enough virtual memory
by David Walland - 6/16/07 5:31 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Denise,
Virtual memory is an area on your hard drive which is used by the computer as an extension of the normal memory of your computer - the RAM. When your computer is first set up, an area on the disk is set aside for this. If you disk is very full, then the area available shrinks, until it becomes too small to perform the duties it is called upon and you get an error message. The first thing to do is to check how much space there is on your hard drive. If it is very full, then you will need to free up space on it. Windows has a prog called "disk cleanup" which you'll find via start/programs/accessories/system tools (I use Win 2000 and I know that XP can be configured slightly differently but you should be able to find it from this information). You will probably be horrified at how much space is full of rubbish on your disk and clearing this may be enough to stop the problems, at least in the short term. However, I'd expect that you will need to get a bigger disk or another disk fitted as well for the longer term. The machine I'm using has been set up so that the virtual memory is on the D drive which is 80Gb and only about a tenth full.
The other posibility is that the space reserved for your virtual memory is fixed and now too small for your latest programs. This can be easily adjusted but as I don't use XP, nor know it very well, I'll leave details to others who do. You'll probably find a lot of information if you look up "virtual memory" on the main Windows help file accessed through start/help. Mine gives me all the information about managing virtual memory on my computer.
Hope this helps,
Regards
David
'Windows Virtual Memory is too low.
by kwpt - 6/16/07 5:34 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
print this out so you have it.
Here are a few thing you can try
Go To Start { My Computer ] then click on your C drive with the right must button
Then go to { Properties ] an make sure that you do not have a check in ( Allow indexing Service to Index this disk for fast file searching )
Then go to { Disk Cleanup } When the pop window comes up make sure that you have a checkmark in all box then click ( OK ) Then ( YES )
Now you can close the windows popup.
Now go to start again go to { Control Panel } an look for { Administrative Tools } click on it This will bring you to Your
Administrative Tools window. look for [ Services ] double click on it when the window comes down the list look for [ indexing Service ]
right click on it go down to [ Properties } in [ Setup type ] click on the arrow an set it to [ Disabled ] then go to { Logon at the top
an click on [ Disable } then [ OK ] When the winnow comes go down the list a look for [ Messenger ] right click on it in [ Startup Type ]
make it [ Disabled ] go to the top an go to log on an make it [ Disable ] the click [ ok ] Then close the [ Service windows ]
Now the next thing you have to do is find your [ Windows Explorer ] double click on it this will bring up your folders to you computer
go down to [ My Computer ] click on the plus sine. then the plus sine next to ( C: ) then go to the plus sine next { windows ] an look
for a file called [ Prefetch ] right click on it an tell it to delete all files in the file.. Now close the folder an restart your computer.
After you restart you computer go to start then [ Accessories ] then [ System Tools ] then [ Disk Defragmenter ] an defrag your computer.
Paul
Sfctracey@msn.com
Exactly what is 'Virtual Memory' and how do I change it?
by larrybechdol - 6/16/07 6:00 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Virtual memory is a file that Windows XP puts on your disk to help it manage your 'real' or physical memory. It is called virtual memory because it is fake memory. When Windows cannot use memory to handle its system tasks it copies stuff that IS in memory but not being used at the moment to this disk file, then uses memory for its task.
When you ask Windows XP to do something (load a program, stop it, etc) the operating system (OS) first checks to see if it is in memory and if there is enough memory to handle both what you want it to do and everything else. If so the task is answered. If there isn't enough memory available Windows uses Virtual Memory to hold some currently unused process that IS in memory and then loads the task you want. This is slower because the virtual memory is actually a disk file and 'disk memory' aka virtual memory is slower than 'real' or physical memory.
You receive the message 'low on virtual memmory' because you most likely have more real or physical memory than the size of the VM file can hold. For example if you have '512 megabyte' of real memory, the maximum size of the vm disk file needs to be at least 512 megabytes.
To change the size of virtual memory, do the following:
right-click on MY COMPUTER
choose ADVANCED
choose PERFORMACE TAB
Choose SETTINGS
Choose ADVANCED TAB
choose the section at the bottom, VIRTUAL MEMORY
choose CHANGE
and FINALLY you are at the place to actually change the size of virtual memory.
Now Windows XP can manage virtual memory for you. If you've received the message and that box is checked, then something else is actually causing the error. That can happen.
Most likely the checked box is 'custom'. First idea is to change it to 'system managed' close the windows. XP will require a restart.
Hope this helps some
V Memory
by Busboy2 - 6/16/07 6:03 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
That's a pretty easy fix here are the steps: You can right click on your my computer icon and go to properties, or you can go the control panel then go to system. Once you are in system go to the advanced tab then, under the performance click on the settings button. When the performance options window comes up go to the, advanced tab and then down near the bottom click on the "change" button under the virtual memory section. Then in the virtual memory window change the initial size to the same number as the maximum size, if it is already set to the maximum size you can increase the size. Don't go too big or it will slow down your computer when it uses the virtual memory, my max is set at 3075mb and i have a 120gb hard drive. The max should be relative to your hard drive space. Then simply click "OK" all the way back through the windows and you should stop receiving those errors unless you need tones of memory for programs like photoshop or 3d design programs or SQL databases. Another simple way to fix your problem would be to add more memory to your laptop its a cheep fix and would speed up your computer and you wouldn't need to change your virtual memory settings. I assume your laptop probably only has about 256mb you should upgrade to 512mb or even 1gb I have 2gb on my laptop but I am running vista and it eats memory for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Hope you found this helpful and that it fixes your problems!
fill up that virtual memory on XP
by Jim Johnson - 6/16/07 6:09 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Denise-
Windows uses a combination of actual RAM and some of your hard drive to create a much larger 'virtual RAM'. What is implied by your message is you are running out of one, the other or both.
This could be caused by a number of things, including:
#1- You are running low on hard drive space so Windows can't use as much as it would like.
#2- You are running an application that must be loaded only in actual RAM and this is leaving you short for other applications trying to load into actual RAM - - this may be an application you are knowingly loading, or it may be A- legitimate applications auto-starting behind the scenes or B- illegitimate applications (malware).
#3- You are running, stopping, and re-running an application that does not properly clean itself out of memory (RAM or harddrive)upon exit. This causes a small amount of memory to be wasted each time (known as a memory leak) and eventually your system will run out of resources.
I suggest you download a Task Manager replacement from Microsoft called Process Explorer (do a search for Sysinternals - Microsoft thought so highly of these utilities they bought the company). See what is loaded into memory and the resources it is using.
Certainly you should run a malware scan on your system if you haven't already done so.
Another Sysinternals tool, Autoruns Explorer will also help you find things that are automatically loading in your system. Most likely some can be eliminated. For example, Adobe Reader likes to pre-load part of itself at boot time. This is fine if you repeatedly look at .pdf format documents as it speeds the loading of Reader. But if like most people this is not a regular occurance, the pre-loaded code just takes up space. Stop it from automatically loading and yes it takes a bit longer to start Reader, but meanwhile you have given resources to use elsewhere and made your PC boot faster.
Oh, and if your hard drive is more than say 2/3 full, you might want to consider archiving some of your data files.
Jim Johnson
Virtual memory
by DrJohnOH - 6/16/07 6:16 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
This is the windows swap file on your hard drive. You need to increase the size since you have lots of processes running even though you don't see them. When you computer runs out of RAM space, it sets up a virtual memory on the hard drive. You can see what you have by opening up the control panel and then opening the Systems Properites menu and then opening the Performance tab. It will show you where on the hard drive the virtual memory is and will also show you the size. The minimum is defaulted to 2 Mbytes and the maximum is often set to a higher number. In order to optimize your virtual memory follow the suggestions at http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php. The piece is over a year old, but accurate.
virtual memorey too low
by dirtydan28 - 6/16/07 6:20 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
hi yes this is a popular problem when you start to fill up a hard drive, virtual memorey is a tiny section of your hard drive that is used as a back up for your ram, basically you need to change the setting of your virtual memorey, to do this you need to go in to control pannel, system, click the advanced tab then click settings under performance then the advanced tab and change the virtual memorey, i would keep adding 1mb or 1000 kb until the problem stopped it depends on how much space you have on ya hard drive and what programmes you want to run to get the right amount but obviously the more you add the better your performance.
there are other settings in this area that can also adjust your performance settings but unless you know what you are doing just add more virtuel memorey for now.
virtual memory soln
by deepak5313 - 6/16/07 6:43 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
sir ,
i have read ur problem and the soln is that u need to go to the search and type paging file(virtual memory) then u get the exact location and u could delete all the recent files in that memory so ur memory or ram will be increased.if this doesn't work type virtual memory and continue the above process.
hope the problem ends with this soln
Frankly speaking ...
by Kees Bakker - 6/23/07 1:38 PM
In reply to: virtual memory soln by deepak5313
I don't think this a good advice. And surely it isn't very understandable for the average English speaking reader.
Kees
Windows Virtual Memory is too low
by kpfuser - 6/16/07 6:53 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Hi Denise,
Virtual memory refers to a file (paging or swap file) that is opened automatically when Windows is installed in order to store memory data that exceed the capacity of the RAM (Random Access Memory) chip(s) that your computer contains at present. The data written to the paging file must be read again by the computer as needed. Because the process of writing data to the paging (or swap) file and reading them back is significantly slower than recalling similar data from RAM, the overall processing speed of your computer will slow down, more so if this process is repeated too often.
If you have made no changes to the paging file (it seems likely that you haven't touched it so far), your paging file will be located on the C drive of your laptop. Furthermore, the message you receive implies that your paging file is of insufficient size for your needs.
Having said this, it is quite perplexing that you would receive such a message at all as the automatically set size of paging files is at least generous. Could it be that your C drive is running out of space thus limiting the size that your paging file can claim for itself?
In any event, once the problem is understood, a solution becomes a straightforward matter. Actually I can suggest two, one that will cost you a few dollars and one that will cost you nothing. Here they are:
Solution I
Take your laptop to a reputable computer shop and purchase some (compatible) additional RAM. The service staff should be able to advise you of your best options. Once purchased, the additional RAM can be installed on the spot easily and (hopefully) at no extra charge. Once your laptop's RAM is increased, its reliance on the paging file will decrease and the messages you now get will most probably stop. However, in case you decide to do this, please read on as there will be more things you can do with your paging file to improve your laptop's performance.
Solution 2
Access the paging file and increase its size. This is how you can do it:
1. Click 'Start' and in the window that opens right-click the 'My Computer' icon.
2. Click 'Properties.'
3. In the 'System Properties' window that opens, click the 'Advanced' tab.
4. In the new window in the area labelled 'Performance,' click on 'Settings.'
5. In the 'Performance Options' window that opens, click the 'Advanced' tab.
6. In the new window that opens, the lowest portion is labelled 'Virtual Memory.' The size of your paging file is shown there. Since your computer complains that this size is inadequate, we will have to increase it. To do this, click on 'Change.'
7. In the 'Virtual Memory' window that opens, you can see the various drives in your computer (assuming that you have more than one) and how much space and on which drive is allocated to your swap (synonymous to paging file, synonymous to Virtual Memory) file.
8. To increase the size of the swap file, highlight the drive (C almost certainly in your case) where the swap file is located. In the space labelled 'Paging file size for selected drive,' you can click the radio button 'System managed size' to allow your computer to determine how big the paging file should be. Alternately, you can click the radio button 'Custom size' and enter minimum and maximum size (in MB) for your paging file, keeping an eye, of course, on the space available on your drive, which is indicated in the same area. In any event, a rule of thumb is to make the paging file size at least as large as the available RAM.
9. Close all windows by clicking on 'OK' all the way out.
10. Your computer will prompt you for a restart as soon as you close the last window. Restart and your annoying messages should disappear.
The above is a straightforward method to increase paging file size and avoid getting the messages you mentioned. However, there is a number of tweaks that can be applied to improve the performance of your system. Consider these as optional. Here they are in ascending order of difficulty of implementation:
Tweak 1
After clicking on 'Custom size,' enter the same size in both boxes as minimum and maximum size for your paging file. In effect, you are setting the size of your paging file exactly. The reason for doing so is that under normal circumstances, your computer will do calculations in order to determine what is the correct paging file size in each case. Calculations mean time spent, i.e., slower performance. On the other hand, a fixed paging file size eliminates the need for such calculations and the resulting delays.
Tweak 2
Place your paging file on a drive other than C, which is utilised by your computer less frequently than C. The reason for doing this is that as C is written to frequently fragmentation of all files and, therefore, the paging file as well results. Trying to retrieve information out of a fragmented paging file will naturally be slower than from an unfragmented (or less fragmented) one. Thus, placing the paging file on a drive that sees less usage than C should lead to faster overall retrieval of info from the paging file.
Tweak 3
You can take the consideration mentioned under Tweak 2 a step further by creating a separate partition just big enough for the swap file only. Thus, if your swap file is the only file on an entire partition, there will be no fragmentation at any time with a corresponding increase in computer performance. I do think that detailing how to partition a hard drive is beyond the scope of this discussion but in case you would like to do this, you may ask and I will be happy to guide you through the process.
I hope the above will help solve the problem of the nagging message you receive.
Low memory warning massage !
by GADIG - 6/16/07 7:06 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Well, thought I'd get here some answers for myself, but I seem to start giving some of my own.
As much as I understand about this tipe of problem from the time I used to depend on my leptop for all the P.C. jobs I have, and that's quit a lot, you'd also see a continues to this massage - "please be advised that it'll take some time till the computer repairs' the V.M. fulll capacity regains itself" or something that means that...
also you'll be permited to continue working taking in consideration that some of the p.c.'s systems will not be avaleble and also the procesing time of each ccommand will increase Xpotentualy as a result.
Let me guess your memory size is 256mb, NOTE - 516mb does make a large difference, 1024mb is even better.
Everything we do on our p.c. has somekind of gathering effect that require cleaning of those jobs history that it will be able to store the new ones again. Replacing/Adding the Memory chip to double it's size or more is relativly an easy task and not so costable as paople might think, but the cometabilty of the new parts to your p.c. , for now it will have a non original parts in it, is a 50/50% and will only be realizd as good or bad by future experimantaion as you're continue working as is on your computer.
gadi
Low Virtual Memory Fix
by gallezzo - 6/16/07 7:24 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
Hello, Denise. First, "Virtual Memory" is system memory that is simulated by the hard drive. When RAM is being extremely taxed (for example if there are many programs open at the same time) the computer will swap data to the hard drive and back to give the impression that there is slightly more memory. Anytime you want to troubleshoot a problem we must assume that the least intrusive repair will solve our predicament. We could go directly to System Properties and start playing with the performance settings. As a certified technician I have found that many problems are solved by shutting down the computer and unplugging it for a minute or two then plugging it back in. A restart usually solves a lot of the problems. Please, don’t be insulted by my first suggestion if you’ve done this a hundred times. You’d be surprised how many times it’s happened to me.
Print out these instructions before continuing.
If the reboot does not work the next step is to assess the system. The page file or virtual memory is created during the Windows XP installation and resides on the hard drive. Page files are measured in megabytes. The size of the page file is based on how much RAM is installed in the computer. By default, XP creates a page file which is 1.5 (512 x 1.5 = 768) times the amount of installed RAM and places it on the hard drive where XP is installed. Other than plugging more RAM into the motherboard, there is little than can be done to alter its performance characteristics. The page file is a different story. Because it's located on a hard drive, it's subject to a number of factors that can hinder its performance. I don’t know how your system is configured, such as, hardware and physical memory but let’s assume you have at least 512 MB of ram and a single hard drive for this example.
Let’s open up properties for your system.
1. Right click on my computer
2. Left click on properties
3. Left click on the Advanced Tab
4. Left Click on the Settings Button
5. Left Click on the Advanced Tab
6. Be sure that the both buttons under Processor scheduling and Memory Usage are checked for Programs
7. Under Virtual memory a little lower in this box you will see Virtual memory. Left Click on the Change Button.
8. Click on System Managed Size
9. Click the SET button next to it
10. Click Apply down below
11. Click OK then the system will ask to restart
12. Click OK
The system should restart.
If the problem is not solved you may have a drive that is near full or an application that needs to be reinstalled.
To check your drive space:
1. Double left click on My Computer
2. Right click on your C: drive
3. Choose properties
There will be a pink and blue pie graph. You want to see a lot of pink…at least 75%. If you don’t see a lot of pink you might want to think about a bigger hard drive.
The next thing you can do- short of reinstalling Windows- is to reinstall the offending application that causes the fault.
If these instruction do not help there are other trouble shooting techniques such as reconnoiter of processes in Windows Task Manager. If you need to go that far it would be worth 50 or 60 dollars to take it to a local shop. I wish you well.
Sam Gallezzo
Virtual Memory
by fruehaw - 6/16/07 7:36 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
First, let's define what virtual memory is. First off, in terms of computers, "memory" is storage. It can be a removeable device like a DVD or a flash drive, your hard drive, or the RAM - random access memory - chips in the computer. The latter is by far the most common meaning when people say "memory".
Windows, and the programs you run a web browser and word processor, may need more memory than your computer actually has. Even though computers these days often ship with 512 megabytes or more most versions of Windows will actually grab it all, so that the operating system can dole it out to various tasks as needed. The net result of both these facts is virtual memory.
Virtual memory sets aside space on your hard disk to use as if it were RAM and has been a part of Windows is version 3.0 came out in 1990. If a particular task is idle, then the memory area it is using can be "flushed" out to virtual memory, freeing up the much-faster "real" RAM to more active and demanding tasks. The contents of virtual memory can then be "paged" back into real RAM if needed. This swapping back-and-forth happens all the time and is completely managed by Windows itself.
If you were to set this to 0 thinking "I have gigabytes of free RAM, so I don't need a page file", chances are you're still wasting RAM that could be better used for something else. Windows is constantly loading and unloading parts of itself, for example. On the other side of the coin, free RAM is wasted RAM. It's better for something to be in there at all times.
So why would you be getting "out of virtual memory" errors? There are a few possible reasons:
1. Virtual memory settings are incorrect
2. Computer is running low on disk space, so virtual memory space is limited by default
3. Your hard drive is very fragmented, and a fragmented hard drive makes it harder for Windows to manage virtual memory
4. A buggy program!
VIRTUAL MEMORY SETTINGS
To check your virtual memory settings, click Start -> Control Panel -> System. A dialog will open that just happens to show how much RAM you have installed. Near the bottom of the page will be a "Computer" section that includes your processor information (how fast and what kind) and how much physical, real RAM you have. It will probably be 512mb or double that, 1gb. For hardcore users, I'd suggest 1-2gb. More physical RAM means more active processes can be run there.
Click the Advanced tab, then in the Performance section, click the "Settings" button. From the Performance Options dialog that just opened, click the Advanced tab. At the bottom is the virtual memory settings. Click the Change button.
Finally. You will see the drive(s) on your computer and how big the "paging file" is. The option for "System managed size" is the default choice, and that lets Windows make your virtual memory allocation larger or smaller as needed. As you may guess, this can also impact performance as Windows sometimes likes to endlessly tinker with the size of this giant file.
So you have a couple of options. 1. Ensure that it's set as System managed size, 2. Set your own size. One old-school performance trick, possibly not as impactful now, was to set a custom size where the initial and maximum sizes were both the same. This eliminates any resizing of the file by Windows, minimizing disk access and thus boosting performance. The belief was to set it to 1.5 times the size of your physical RAM. 512mb of RAM would yield a setting of 768 for both initial and maximum sizes. I have done this to my laptop and desktop for years and never had any problems, though some people set it to twice or three times the physical RAM.
If you set your own size, make sure that the maximum does not exceed (or really, even come close to) what is reported on that dialog as "Space available." I would start with the lower number and work up if problems persist until the problems go away, but if you set it to 3x phyiscal RAM and STILL get an error, that indicates the need for more physical RAM or one of the other two solutions below.
If you have more than one hard drive (doubtful in a laptop), it is beneficial to put the page file on the fastest drive. Although it used to be true that a page file on every drive was advantagous, this is not the case with XP.
DISK SPACE and DEFRAGGING
It's easy to check your available disk space. Double-click My Computer, then right-click your C: drive, then click Properties. Presto! A handy pie chart of your disk space! If free space is much less than a quarter of the total, I'd consider cleaning up (doing a search for large files [I search for things over 15mb], clearing out your "Local Settings\Temp" folder, etc).
Defragging is performed from the same dialog by clicking the "Tools" tab, then the "Defragment Now" button. Windows does not necessarily keep files in complete chunks. As the disk is used and files are created and deleted, small "holes" appear. If the hole isn't big enough for a file, Windows will put what it can in the hole and scatter the rest of the file in subsequent holes until the entire file is written.
The page file itself can't normally be fragmented on a healthy and happy hard drive unless the virtual memory settings are set to allowing a dynamic (expanding and shrinking) file. If the file needs to expand, but the virtual memory manager can't find a large enough CONTIGUOUS free chunk, it may be unable to create the page file and an error similar to what you're seeing may result.
NOTE: You should exit all programs (including right-clicking icons in the system tray near the clock to see if they have an Exit command) before you defrag. Files that are in use cannot be moved. Some people actually prefer to start in Safe Mode (reboot and hold down F8 until you get the option for safe mode) and run the defrag there because it ensures fewer processes will be running.
I would probably do all three...clean up the drive, set my fixed page file size, and defrag.
BUGGY PROGRAM
There are some programs that are just poorly written, and don't allocate memory as they should. Or, rather, they don't DE-allocate memory as they should. This is called a "memory leak". If you can remember about when the problem started, you should then think about what programs you may have installed prior to the problem and try removing them. Most software from major players like Microsoft and Adobe are thoroughly tested, but "Granny Smith's Screensaver" has probably not been through intensive quality-assurance. Weather toolbars, system tray "helpers", and the like are prime candidates for memory leaks. It may well be that you've got such a buggy program or two on your system which causes memory to bleed out until your laptop "collapses" with an error message.
A lot of programs will use more and more memory as they are left running, so if you are in the habit of NOT rebooting your computer, that could be a potential cause. I reboot mine at least every few days, either before taking it to work or before heading home (but for the most part, it stays in standby).
So are there other ways to tell if a program is using more virtual memory than it should? Yup! Hit CTRL ALT DEL and click "Task Manager." Click the Processes tab. This shows you everything running on your computer. However, Mem Usage doesn't tell us much about VIRTUAL memory, so click View -> Select Columns, and check the "Virtual Memory Size" box, then click OK. You can then click on that newly added column to see what's taking up the most virtual memory.
virtual memory/page file
by caffjunkie - 6/16/07 8:13 AM In reply to: What do you mean, Windows Virtual Memory is too low?! by Lee Koo (ADMIN)
when windows is using too much of your physical memory, it will make a partition on your hard disk called virtual memory, sometimes called page file... it slows down your computer because it is much faster to read from physical memory than it is from the hard drive, but it is very useful when you dont have a lot of physical memory installed.... it happens to me all the time...
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