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by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 5/31/07 4:54 PM
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Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade

by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator - 5/31/07 4:54 PM

Question:

My question is: When you send your computer off to a local or even big brand store to be upgraded, how do you know the items you chose (like new graphics cards, RAM, motherboards, etc...) were installed, instead of an inferior product? Also, how can you tell that your existing hardware are still the original and not swapped out by cheaper or different hardware, once it is returned from the shop for repair/upgrade? Is there something that I can do to make sure I don't get ripped off?

Submitted by John K.

Answer voted most helpful by our members

Take an inventory...

For the most part you can't ensure the correct components are present just by looking inside the case since so many different makes and models look alike. In addition, not all components have labels on them with the proper identification. Thus, the best approach is to take an inventory using a program such as Everest, which is freeware. It will analyze your PC, recording almost every component installed, along with the make, model, specs, and serial number, if applicable. Specifically, it will take care of the motherboard, processor, RAM, optical drives, hard drives, disk drives, graphics and sounds cards, and networking adapters. It will also note your keyboard, mouse, and monitor, just in case you're packing them up as well.

To get the ball rolling, install and launch Everest, then click the Report button along the top or go Report->Report Wizard. The "System Summary" should suffice, though you can choose to receive a full report if you prefer. Depending on which report type you choose the report could be quite long, so you may want to save the file to a flash drive instead of printing it.

Note, however, that this inventory is not quite comprehensive, for not all components are capable of reporting themselves via software. These items include the power supply (PSU), fans, and the case itself. The latter should be easy to identify and the fans are of little consequence unless you purchased high-quality parts, leaving you with the PSU. If you peek inside your case you should find it in the top back region of the case with a large label stating the brand, model number, and wattage. Write those down for later references.

Once you receive your computer back from the repair shop, you can repeat this process, comparing the initial report to the new one. Any components you had them install should be properly identified on the new report, while the rest should match the old. If there is a discrepancy chances are something's not kosher.
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Some other things to keep in mind:

* If there is a software issue the repair shop may reinstall Windows without your permission, wiping out all of your personal files. Thus, it's always a good idea to backup what you can't afford to lose first.

* Likewise, if there are any personal/private files you don't want them to happen across, you may want to move them to a flash drive or other form of removable storage before boxing it up. They could still drudge it up off the hard drive, but it's a little added precaution.

* Always request a written work order before they perform any work on your computer, clearly stating what they will do and what they will charge. In addition, always request a receipt upon completion, stating what work was performed, what parts were added/replaced, how much was charged, and what warranties are given.

* If you are paying for the work to be done, as opposed to having it covered under a warranty, request that the old parts, if any, be returned to you. They are yours and you can always use or sell them later. In addition, if it turns out they replaced a supposedly defective part when it was indeed functional (some will report false problems just for the business) you can request a refund for the purchased part, though not necessarily the cost of labor.

* Be aware that some repair shops will try to 'do you a favor' by installing their own copy of Windows instead of your own or the one you purchased. This almost always results in licensing issues with Microsoft reporting your copy is invalid. Never be talked into such situations and be sure to call Microsoft's toll-free hotline if Windows suddenly begins telling you your copy is pirated afterwards.

And remember, even reputable repair shops, such as Best Buy's Geek Squad, have been known to perform shady practices, so never assume it'll be alright. A little caution can go a long way, particularly with an investment such as a computer.

Hope this helps,
John

Submitted by John.Wilkinson


If you have any additional advice or recommendations for John, let's hear them. Click on the "Reply" link to post. Please be detailed as possible in your answer and list all options available. Please do not assume John knows how to open his computer case. Thanks!

Post 2 of 173

Simple solution

by guelph147 - 5/11/07 6:42 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Just web on over to the BELARC site and run the free program which inventories your computer. It provides all the detail you need to check your invoice against what is actually installed. It also gives you a complete list of you software.

Hope this helps.

Glen

Post 3 of 173

Problem with BELARC

by NorthBeachnik - 6/4/07 10:11 PM In reply to: Simple solution by guelph147

I had a problem with BELARC a couple of months ago. I downloaded and it created an inventory of my Dell Inspiron laptop. Right after that I had serious problems with my computer because BELARC had done something to my System Registry that interfered with my laptop's normal functioning (sorr, I can't remember specifically what it was that went wrong). I deleted BELARC and did a Sys Restore and everything was fine. My partner has a new IBM laptop and we would like to do an inventory but I'm very wary of BELARC and perhaps of the whole software category. Any comments and/or advice?

Post 4 of 173

Detect ripoff when sending computer out for upgrade

by wraver - 5/11/07 6:59 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

John, Belarc Advisor may provide the detail you need. I run it whenever I update hardware or software. It provides current versions of all installed software including for instance all installed security updates for Win XP, lists all installed hardware and peripherals, processor and motherboard specs. You can download the free software at Belarc.com. Install it, run it and print a copy. Run it again when your computer is returned and compare the results to the pre-upgrade copy. Hope this helps

Post 5 of 173

Many Thanks

by dianelouw - 6/2/07 12:30 AM In reply to: Detect ripoff when sending computer out for upgrade by wraver

Finally i get all the answer i have been asking everyone.

This Belarc Advisor is excellent!!!!

Thank you so much.....

Post 6 of 173

answer to John K .

by tbaltd - 5/11/07 7:28 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Dear John,
Take the cover off the body of the computer and use a webcam or a digital camera and take pictures of the system before you send it out for an upgrade. Upon getting the system returned repeat the process and compare the pictures for compliance to your upgrade request.The system can do an inventory of itself (Win.XP) but one picture is worth a thousand words.

Harvey7
tbaltd@juno.com

Post 7 of 173

learn to identify

by redgoinggray - 5/11/07 7:49 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Mark your hardware in a way that only you would recognize. Take a picture of it wherein the date and time is shown. Contact the companies whose hardware you want to use and ask them to help you identify their products.
Once you get your computer back, check it out with your pictures and memory.
Best of luck.

Post 8 of 173

Checking on installs by retailers

by Charnacle - 5/11/07 8:02 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

9:59 PM 5/11/2007
Hello;

I would go to Start/Control Panel and click on the icon appropriate to the install, and then check what was put it or, that failing, I would start serching around in Explorer "C" to see what I coud find - - and all that failing, I draw on a trick I learned when I first got my computer - - I would call my kids (in tears) and beg their help. Hope this is helpful. Have a nice day.
Sincerely,

JM Shephard
jmshephard1@msn.com

Post 9 of 173

John, it's usually not an issue ....

by Watzman - 5/11/07 8:29 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

The question strikes me as somewhat paranoid .... there are very few items in a computer that are worth more than the cost of one hour of labor, and that doesn’t even include the time that would be required to swap them out. With very few exceptions, there is not much incentive to do this in the first place.

Beyond that, most people know (or should know) what the components in their system are. I know I have two 320GB hard drives, and two DVD burners; I know what my sound card and my video card are, what my CPU is and what my motherboard is. If any of those items (and that’s pretty much everything) changed, I’d know it as surely as if I went out to my car after shopping and it had been painted a different color or had a different color interior (or, more on point, a different model of car radio).

Changing the motherboard would make the computer an entirely different computer. Windows would have to be reinstalled more or less from scratch, an operation that would take hours.

However, if you are concerned, all you have to do is identify all of the components of your computer:

-Motherboard
-CPU
-Memory
-Video card (if any)
-Sound card (if any)
-Hard drive(s)
-Optical drive(s)

And compare what your system “went out with” to what it came back with. There are several programs that will do that (Everest, Belarc Advisor), or you can generally get the information from Device Manager in Control Panel / System. But I don’t think that this is a huge concern. A far greater concern is that you send your system out for repair and when it comes back your DATA .... your files .... are gone. That really happens (“we had to reinstall Windows and the manufacturer’s system setup disk wipes out everything in the process), and is a good reason for not sending out a system without a backup, or even without removing the hard drives entirely (especially in a laptop) assuming, of course, that you are CERTAIN that the drives are not the source of the problem. [Most laptop service centers (not all, unfortunately) will accept a laptop without a hard drive, they have spares that can be put in and removed in 30 seconds ... it’s more problematic in a desktop where installation/removal may take a significant amount of time.]

Of course if you sent it out to have an item installed, it should be pretty obvious whether the item is or is not present. Your CPU, memory and drives are enumerated on every bootup (disable the “fancy” splash screen and let the details show), or you can look them up in Device Manager.

Post 10 of 173

new versus old components

by berylkbryant - 5/11/07 8:33 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

Hi John, My advice to you would be to ask the technition to show you the old parts, he has taken out, then if possible see the boxes the new parts have come in. Hope this helps. Regards Beryl

Post 11 of 173

You can check

by gevantry - 5/11/07 8:41 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

This probably isn't a problem at reputable dealers, but you can check by using your system's built-in device management utility. Running this utility returns a profile of all of the hardware inside your computer, as well as attached as peripherals. Graphics cards, hard drives, USB and Firewire ports, RAM chips, and so on have the name of the device, the manufacturer, model and serial number, and other data hard coded. Thus, if you had XYZ Brand graphics card installed, the profile returned should show this. In this fashion, you can check to see that what you got is actually what you bought.

You can check this on the spot when you go to pick up your computer, if you personally delivered it: just have them plug it in and call up the system profile and go through the device list. If you've handled it through the mail you can't do this, of course, so you have a higher risk--but you can still check the system profile and compare the results against both the original advertisement and the receipt that comes with the upgraded computer.

Most dealers are reputable and reliable. They are in it for the long term, and they won't be in business long at all if they make a habit of ripping off customers. I live in a somewhat remote area and have to rely on mail order quite a bit. I'm happy to say that my experiences have almost never been negative.

Post 12 of 173

Take an inventory...

by John.Wilkinson Moderator - 5/11/07 8:41 PM In reply to: Don't get ripped off when your PC is out for repair or upgrade by Lee Koo (ADMIN) Moderator

For the most part you can't ensure the correct components are present just by looking inside the case since so many different makes and models look alike. In addition, not all components have labels on them with the proper identification. Thus, the best approach is to take an inventory using a program such as Everest, which is freeware. It will analyze your PC, recording almost every component installed, along with the make, model, specs, and serial number, if applicable. Specifically, it will take care of the motherboard, processor, RAM, optical drives, hard drives, disk drives, graphics and sounds cards, and networking adapters. It will also note your keyboard, mouse, and monitor, just in case you're packing them up as well.

To get the ball rolling, install and launch Everest, then click the Report button along the top or go Report->Report Wizard. The "System Summary" should suffice, though you can choose to receive a full report if you prefer. Depending on which report type you choose the report could be quite long, so you may want to save the file to a flash drive instead of printing it.

Note, however, that this inventory is not quite comprehensive, for not all components are capable of reporting themselves via software. These items include the power supply (PSU), fans, and the case itself. The latter should be easy to identify and the fans are of little consequence unless you purchased high-quality parts, leaving you with the PSU. If you peek inside your case you should find it in the top back region of the case with a large label stating the brand, model number, and wattage. Write those down for later references.

Once you receive your computer back from the repair shop, you can repeat this process, comparing the initial report to the new one. Any components you had them install should be properly identified on the new report, while the rest should match the old. If there is a discrepancy chances are something's not kosher.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some other things to keep in mind:

* If there is a software issue the repair shop may reinstall Windows without your permission, wiping out all of your personal files. Thus, it's always a good idea to backup what you can't afford to lose first.

* Likewise, if there are any personal/private files you don't want them to happen across, you may want to move them to a flash drive or other form of removable storage before boxing it up. They could still drudge it up off the hard drive, but it's a little added precaution.

* Always request a written work order before they perform any work on your computer, clearly stating what they will do and what they will charge. In addition, always request a receipt upon completion, stating what work was performed, what parts were added/replaced, how much was charged, and what warranties are given.

* If you are paying for the work to be done, as opposed to having it covered under a warranty, request that the old parts, if any, be returned to you. They are yours and you can always use or sell them later. In addition, if it turns out they replaced a supposedly defective part when it was indeed functional (some will report false problems just for the business) you can request a refund for the purchased part, though not necessarily the cost of labor.

* Be aware that some repair shops will try to 'do you a favor' by installing their own copy of Windows instead of your own or the one you purchased. This almost always results in licensing issues with Microsoft reporting your copy is invalid. Never be talked into such situations and be sure to call Microsoft's toll-free hotline if Windows suddenly begins telling you your copy is pirated afterwards.

And remember, even reputable repair shops, such as Best Buy's Geek Squad, have been known to perform shady practices, so never assume it'll be alright. A little caution can go a long way, particularly with an investment such as a computer.

Hope this helps,
John

Post 13 of 173

Comment on Everest

by be3sun - 5/25/07 11:23 PM In reply to: Take an inventory... by John.Wilkinson Moderator

An advantage of Everest, which might be interesting for non-US and non-UK citizens, is that you can choose between 32 (if I have counted right) different languages. I myself is very comfortable with the Swedish version. However, as was pointed out, Everest doesn't list installed software like Belarc does.
Best regards
Bengt Sundvall, Stockholm, Sweden

Post 14 of 173

Computer Repair-Shops Stealing PC Parts..... Read Inside..

by inventivemind - 5/29/07 9:58 AM In reply to: Take an inventory... by John.Wilkinson Moderator

I DO NOT, honestly beleive that any man or woman Computer Technician would ever jeapordize their business, their income (even if it's just doing side jobs)and most of all their integrity/reputation! I mean, for what? A stick of RAM? A swap of a 200 Graphic Card for a $10 one? LOL, you think a Tech would believe an owner of a $200.00 Graphic Card wouldn't recognize it missing? That's the equivalent of a car mechanic taking off real 'Spinner Rims' and replacing them with 'Spinner Hubcaps'!! Trust me, anyone into repairing computers is more than likely a passionate person whose goal to 'fix' your computer! I'm a tech, I do all my community's pc repairs.. I have quite a good customer base and right from customer 1.. my main objective is to 'fix the computer', second to that it's to 'make the customer happy' and of course then the main objective is to get a call from someone who says 'so and so told me you fixed her computer, will you fix mine.. she said you very good!' This is what a Techie is all about... Stealing parts? Swapping parts? Maybe.. Maybe... someone pretending to be a techie might do something like that..

So just make sure you take your computer to someone who knows the Techie and in the event you simply don't know anyone who knows one, just take it to Best Buy, or Circuit City pc repair area... you might pay more there than from a guy/gal who does repairs on the side but you don't ever have to worry about 'part swapping' or 'stealing' This is definitely a worry not worthy of pursuing!

if you live in ny, need a tech... email me :)

inventiveminds at aol.com (please replace "at" with "@")

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Post 15 of 173

Worry about the jerk, not your hardware

by PCBiker - 5/27/07 12:24 AM In reply to: Computer Repair-Shops Stealing PC Parts..... Read Inside.. by inventivemind

I agree with your argument that it is unlikely that a tech would steal your hardware. But there is the related issue. You will find that some large nationwide stores have through corporate mandate and national advertisement committed all their stores to provide tech service, but not all their stores have the budget, qualified staff, and space/facilities to provide the committed service ... but they try anyway, on a shoestring, because it is mandated. I have worked in a few computer superstores and have noticed unqualified people trying do perform tech servie, and totally inadequate facilities. I have seen random employees 'asked' if they know how to install a hard drive and other hardware, or perform other services, and I observed the individuals not having a clue how to do it, but proceeding anyways so as not to lose face. As a customer about to yield your system to a tech service, FIRST check the facilities that the company provides to perform such service. Is there a separate tech service department and staff, or are the underpaid salesmen expected to perform such service as part of their duties. (Competent tech service people command a decent wage compared to the salesmen who might know little about troubleshooting techniques and utilities). Is there an obvious workbench reserved for use only by the tech people for service, or is the work done in the back room on some table used for other things. Does the work area look cluttered. Observe the tools available, and ask about internet access at the workbench (yes, I HAVE seen techs accept upgrade and repair jobs without any internet access available to them for downloading latest drivers and utilities). A person may not know much about their computer hardware, but there are clear indications of the competence of the place you are about to take your machine.

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